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final reading House Bill 2387
« on: November 09, 2014, 02:13:31 PM »
CEBU, Philippines -
Male foreigners who have the intention to marry Filipinas will now have to comply with additional requirements after the House of Representatives approved on final reading House Bill 2387, which aims to protect Filipino women against exploitation.
The bill, which was proposed by former Cebu governor and current third district Representative Gwendolyn Garcia, amends the purpose of Article 21 of Executive Order No. 209, or the Family Code of the Philippines.
Garcia is optimistic that the objective of the bill, which was strongly endorsed by Representative Marlyn Primicias-Agabas, chairperson of the sponsor-House Committee on Revision of Laws, would also earn the support of the Upper House.
“The main objective of HB 2387 is to protect Filipino women against exploitation by foreigners who marry them without evident means to support a family,” Garcia explained.
Garcia pointed out the “public knowledge that some of the foreigners coming to the Philippines in order to marry Filipino women are vagabonds or social and moral derelicts in their own country and whose real motive for marriage is only to take advantage and exploit our women by making them work and worse, by sending them to prostitution and other degrading and dehumani-zing occupations.”
“The exploitation of our women, thru the so-called mail-order or pen-pal, Facebook, website and other internet-arranged marriages, have caused not only untold miseries and sufferings for the victims but also brought dishonor and disgrace to Filipino womanhood,” Garcia emphasized.
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According to HB 2387, foreign male citizens who intend to marry a Filipina are obliged to provide certificates stating his good moral character and that he has a gainful trade, business, employment or other lawful source of income.
In line with this, the measure seeks to amend the current Section 21 of the Family Code of the Philippines by adding the following: “...when the male contracting party is a foreigner, in addition to the certificate of legal capacity, a certificate of good moral character and a certificate of gainful trade, business, employment or other lawful source of income issued by his diplomatic or consular official, must be submitted before a marriage license can be obtained.”
At present, Sec. 21 only provides that: “When either or both of the contracting parties are citizens of a foreign country, it shall be necessary for them before a marriage license can be obtained, to submit a certificate of legal capacity to contract marriage, issued by their respective diplomatic or consular officials.”
Likewise, “stateless persons or refugees from other countries shall, in lieu of the certificate herein required, submit an affidavit stating the circumstances showing such capacity to contract marriage.”
The Department of Justice, in coordination with the Department of Foreign Affairs, Department of Social Welfare and Development, Department of Interior and Local Government, Philippine Commission on Women, Commission on Filipinos Overseas and Philippine Statistics Authority, shall promulgate the rules and regulations necessary for the implementation of the proposed Act within 90 days from enactment. — AJ de la Torre-Orong/NSA (FREEMAN)
http://www.philstar....marry-filipinas

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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 02:24:20 PM »
My wife Maline read this and said the following, " What the hell is wrong with them, if anything that should be the requirements for Filipino guys"

Now though it does not effect me, thank God, how do you suppose they plan in implementing it?  My suggestion, get married now if your thinking about it...as I read it there are seven different agency's that have to get together to implement it..

I can only imagine what seven different agency's here will come up with. and how they will come up with it in 90 days??
I'm sure that will be well thought out.......
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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 02:39:48 PM »
To quote Clint Eastwood....A Cluster **** (You know what). Sorry but it's the truth.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 02:41:23 PM by Steve & Myrlita »

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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 07:04:17 PM »
My wife Maline read this and said the following, " What the hell is wrong with them, if anything that should be the requirements for Filipino guys"

Now though it does not effect me, thank God, how do you suppose they plan in implementing it?  My suggestion, get married now if your thinking about it...as I read it there are seven different agency's that have to get together to implement it..

I can only imagine what seven different agency's here will come up with. and how they will come up with it in 90 days??
I'm sure that will be well thought out.......

I doubt very much that the woman that thought up this new law has absolutely any idea that western Government offices do not issue certificates of "good moral character"!!
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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 01:51:49 PM »
In the past, it was difficult to take a single (unmarried)
Filipina out of the country. Janet was stopped from going
with me to BKK until she showed our marriage licence.

Several of my unmarried friends here have been able,
in the last year, to take their girlfriends out of the country
no problem. I wonder how it would go if you went to say,
Hong Kong and get married?

At one time, several years ago, you could organise a marriage
there thru the I'net. I believe you had to stay 10 days to qualify,
if I remember correctly.

Graham 

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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 08:33:23 AM »
My wife Maline read this and said the following, " What the hell is wrong with them, if anything that should be the requirements for Filipino guys"

Amen to that.
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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 08:40:51 AM »
To me all this feel like pure Hate Towards the white man......I don't think I have seen a poor white man using a pinay.

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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 09:56:22 AM »
I had a conversation last night with a friend of mine that works in the Mayors office in Quezon City...a older woman. HB2387 was the topic of conversation.
  This is an intelligent woman with a degree in Political Science. She is 100% for the bill, because she says that they see a lot of forgn, guys taking advantage of Filipina's. 

As she is a pretty good friend and we argue politics a lot, I told here I thought the bill was a slam against forgn, and if they wanted to do something they should do it to the Filipinos that take advantage of girls here.

She said that unless the girls were legally married there was nothing the law could do.
 
From her point of view, they see a lot of forgn. that take advantage of Phil girls...

I suppose, most of us never see that...at least I dont,

I still do not agree with the bill, see it as unenforceable and zero foresight..zero common sense.
  But having known this woman for some time, and having had many conversations with her, the one thing I am sure of..is most of the Politicians in Manila have completely lost touch with the rest of the country....
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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 10:51:57 AM »
Many Filipinos resent Foreigners marring local girls although they will not tell you to your face

Freddie Aguilar is very vocal about this he wants to keep the Filipino Race Pure ??

But when he was caught dating a 16 year old nothing was done

60-year-old legendary singer Freddie Aguilar admits to dating and ready to marry his 16-year-old girlfriend Jovie Albao.. According to Aguilar, he didn't know the woman's age when he started courting her.

There was never any case filed against him

If it had been a foreigner with a 16 yr old he would have been sentenced to jail for 25 Years for rape

They have even modified the rape law so that if you pick up a GRO and Pay her for here services its classified as Rape now no matter her age



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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2014, 11:53:27 AM »
Many Filipinos resent Foreigners marring local girls although they will not tell you to your face

Freddie Aguilar is very vocal about this he wants to keep the Filipino Race Pure ??

But when he was caught dating a 16 year old nothing was done

60-year-old legendary singer Freddie Aguilar admits to dating and ready to marry his 16-year-old girlfriend Jovie Albao.. According to Aguilar, he didn't know the woman's age when he started courting her.

There was never any case filed against him

If it had been a foreigner with a 16 yr old he would have been sentenced to jail for 25 Years for rape

They have even modified the rape law so that if you pick up a GRO and Pay her for here services its classified as Rape now no matter her age




There is definitely a prejudice, nationalistic side of things here, not all but enough.  Especially in Manila, which unfortunately is where the laws are made.  I have seen some here in Tacloban but not much and rarely.  In real life, nothing is ever all good...as time goes on, and the Philippines gets more global, hopefully some of those things will pass.
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Re: final reading House Bill 2387
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2014, 05:30:04 PM »
To me all this feel like pure Hate Towards the white man......I don't think I have seen a poor white man using a pinay.

I have only lived here for the past 2 years. Through my foreign friends, being here for 15+ years, I have seen and met some not so nice foreigners, who do take advantage of their partners. Needless to say, these guys are not friends of mine. Mostly, I agree with others here, that this bill does appear to be a sheltered view on what is actually happening, between foreigner and pinay partners. Yes there is some merit in the principle behind the bill, but this should apply equally to both men and women, foreigner or local. Just make it fair and consistent to one and all.

Nowhere does the bill talk about when a pinay takes advantage of a foreigner. So that is OK with them, if a foreigner is emotionally or financially stripped and has been taken advantage of. Yes, we foreigners, should have better sense and stop before things get too far, but this bill opens up a door, where a disgruntled female partner can possibly exploit, their now EX. Somethings just do not add up.

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