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Title: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on October 12, 2009, 06:15:19 AM
*Since some of our posts were lost due to the unfortunate crashing of the Forum recently, I\'m reposting this information for the new members of the group.*

    As many of our older members already know, Gloria and I have been involved in rebuilding some of the property in Metro Manila for our family.  While this is by no means anything spectacular by the standards many of us have set for our own homes, it is certainly a big step up for my family who had previously been residing in two small wooden \"shacks\".

    When I met Glo in December 1999, she had three sisters living on two small lots in Novaliches, Bagong Silang, Caloocan City.  One older sister, Nelly, had a small concrete 3-room house with a corrugated metal roof and an outdoor CR.  Two other sisters, Nonie and Ester, along with Ester\'s husband Ronel and two children Tin-Tin and Ryan, lived in two adjoining wooden houses on one small lot across the path from Nelly.  Another older sister lives in Pasig City.

    Whenever we visit the family we stay in Novaliches, since most of the family is there.  I was a bit distressed when I found that I was sleeping every night in my brother in law\'s bed, only because this meant that he had to sleep on the living room floor!  Gloria and I began discussing this situation early on in our relationship.  We didn\'t have the financial means to do anything about this situation at first, but as time progressed and as our personal finances allowed it, we decided that we would begin a rebuilding process on the two small wooden houses so that our sisters and the two small kids would have a better home.

    About 4 years ago we razed the front house that Nonie lived in by herself and began constructing a small concrete \"base\" from which we intended to add on.  When we visited in 2006 this had been completed giving Nonie a small combo sala/dining area/kucina and one bedroom.  There was also an attached CR.  This small concrete structure adjoined the small wooden house in the rear occupied by my brother in law Ronel, sister Ester and the kids.  During our visit Ronel and I discussed the coming changes and decided that we would incorporate his house into the main concrete structure.  When this stage was complete it looked something like this.  This view also includes the outer wall, \"courtyard\" and Ronel\'s small sari-sari store in the front corner of the property

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesFirstStage.jpg)

    A couple of months ago we began the next phase of the rebuild, which will take us up to the second floor.  This will include 4 bedrooms, a second CR and a veranda across the front of the building.  It will also involve covering the courtyard and Ronel\'s sari-sari store to accommodate the large bedroom and veranda .  This will allow us to enlarge Ronel\'s store giving him more room for stock and enabling him to make a little more income, not to mention giving him more room to breathe.  :-)  The perspective is off a little due to this being an early attempt at using Google SketchUp.  It should actually bit slightly longer than it appears in this image.  (sorry)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesSecondFloorLayout.jpg)

    The wrought iron in the veranda is to keep out the local \"monkeys\" and will include one section in the front that can be opened in a gate-like fashion.  This will give us access to the second floor for large pieces of furniture to be passed through when we furnish the house and will also give us an emergency exit for any reason, should we need it. 

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Veranda3.jpg)

    The rooftop will be made into an open terrace.  Since we effectively covered up any open yard they had, I felt this was a no-brainer and will be a great place for all of us to gather at night to enjoy the evening breeze (and a few cold ones).  :-)  The Filipinos are very fond of their bahay kubos, as am I, so I decided we should include one for the family.  But since there are a dozen or more family members around at any given time I felt that the standard bahay kubo simply wouldn\'t be big enough.  For that reason I thought that we should instead include a kamarin, similar to the beach huts we rent whenever we take the family to the beach.  And since there are frequent typhoons a typical bamboo and nipa kamarin just wouldn\'t do.  So I included plans for reinforced concrete \"posts\" and a steel frame for the nipa roofing.  These can later be covered in bamboo and nipa to complete the \"native\" look. 
 
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesComplete2.jpg)

    To keep the sun and rain away from the veranda we plan to include some form of awning, maybe something using barrel tiles.  It will depend on the cost, of course, as well as what the family wants it to look like when finished.  There will also be a small utility room on the roof terrace to hold a backup generator:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Utilityshed4.jpg)

We\'ll also include two water tanks and maybe a nice built-in grill so Tito Jack can show off his BBQ skills.  :-)

    To handle the rain, I\'ve included drains for the rooftop.  Some of the water will be collected in barrels for washing clothes, some could possibly be diverted to the existing well and water tank, which is then sold to the locals.  The remaining excess will be sent out into the storm drains and into the river at the end of the path.     

    When all is said and done, we should end up with something like this:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesCompleteWithLandscapin-3.jpg)

    Again, this may not be everyone\'s cup of tea, but keep in mind what the intent was and is; to improve on what they had originally and provide a more sturdy, weather proof home for the majority of my family.  To this end I think this will serve it\'s intended purpose. 

    Gloria and I have something quite different in mind for ourselves.  But that\'s another story, and one that has not begun to be written.  But stay tuned for future developments.   
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Braddo on October 12, 2009, 08:19:12 AM
Well done Jack, I would be very happy living in that abode good idea\'s wish I could work out how to use Sketchup As we have already built our bottom floor I am trying to put together the next stage the top floor but so far have not got past opening up the program and drawing a single line. I think I am going to need someone to start me off before I go any further.

Braddo :P
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: grizzi on October 12, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
Jack,

All it takes is a little imagination to come up with a palace!  I bet the neighbors will be drooling at your take on Lechon Manok on the grill... ;D

I\'m designing our next house already, using Punch! Home Design Pro software. It fairly simple to use and does the 2D, 3D, and do a \"virtual\" walk through of the hose and floorplan when you are done.  I used it for the floorplan of our last house, so now I have some experience in using it and hope to finish it up in a few weeks, dimensioned and ready to go straight to the architect.

Now if the Mrs. would let me know what changes to make BEFORE I finish the design...lol.

Nice drawing job...and keep us posted!

Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on October 12, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
Some nice ideas Jack. As you say, this may not be everybodies \'cup of tea\' but has made excellent use of what was available and will make a good home for the family.

You are getting the hang of sketchup, how did you do that nippa roof?

Colin

Painfully and slowly.   :P   ;D  I used one leaf from a palm on the side of the house, set it at the proper angle (or as close as SketchUp would allow) and then copied and pasted it in place.  First I copied one leaf, then the two together, then four.  I then copied and pasted each set of four in place and then moved it over.  Once I had the first side finished, I copied and pasted the second side.  Only took me about 97 hours!   :o   ;D ;D
Actually, it took me about 2 hours to complete. 

Some things about SketchUp are cool, some aren\'t.  They don\'t allow you to get the correct angle on things you copy and paste, especially the components you download from the SketchUp Warehouse.  At least, I haven\'t found a way to do it properly.  It was okay for these drawings.  They were sufficient for the engineer to make his own blueprints from.  In fact, my brother in law Ronel said that the engineer was impressed with my eye for detail.  I\'m glad they were satisfied.  :)

But I\'m afraid I\'ll need to try something different for our house design.  I think I\'ll look into the Punch! Home Design Pro software Greg spoke of... maybe.

Hey Greg!  Is the Punch! software free like Google SketchUp?  If not, I\'ll have to get a lot better with SketchUp when I design our house.   ;)   :D  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: coutts00 on October 13, 2009, 04:48:30 AM
Check some of these out, if you like the result, I\'ll see about getting out some disks, but be advised it requires 5GB of disk.

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/coutts00/th_AU20THCD-Sheet1.jpg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/coutts00/?action=view¤t=AU20THCD-Sheet1.jpg)
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/coutts00/th_Drivegearingillustration.jpg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/coutts00/?action=view¤t=Drivegearingillustration.jpg)
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/coutts00/th_Drivegearingillustration2.jpg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/coutts00/?action=view¤t=Drivegearingillustration2.jpg)

Each of these diagrams has many many many hours or work, you need to draw each component, each nut, each bolt, each window and window pane. but you can out put it as a dwg file to be imported direct into autocad or as a stp or igs file for use in any other 3D app, but not Sketch-up.

Wayne   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: grizzi on October 14, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Quote
Hey Greg!  Is the Punch! software free like Google SketchUp?

Jack,

Just as Colin said, its not free, but it is reasonably priced, and pretty straight forward to use.  If you Google it, you might be able to get it for a reasonable price.  I think I paid about $100 for the software, and it works in some ways like a CAD program. Each of the segments of the house are layered, so you can go back and see what you have from the beginning. It goes through all the detailed needs...foundations, flooring, interior/exterior walls, plumbing, electrical, etc.  The part that I really enjoy is it switches between 2D and 3D very quickly and you can do a virtual \"walk\" through your house as you are designing it! That way you get a feel for what it will look like when you are done.  I did a rough sketch of the floorplan on a different program, and when I started designing it on Punch!, I found quite a few things that didn\'t fit or looked too cramped, so I went in and made changes. Very versitile.

And, if you are really into seeing what your home will look like, there is also a detail in Punch! Home Designer Pro that will allow you to make an actual model of the house you are designing. 

All in all, I\'m very pleased with the program.
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on April 02, 2010, 03:44:30 AM
Just a small update on our project...

The building has been topped out and should be ready for occupation within the next couple of weeks.  Finishing touches (Paint, tile, windows, doors) will proceed over the following month or so.  Not my style, but the family is anxious to break in their new bedrooms.   ;D

The front elevation stone veneer work has the kapitbahay chismis machine in full gear.  Ornamental wrought iron for veranda will be ready for installation right after Easter.  Have asked for photos and am anxiously awaiting the pics, which will be shared as soon as they hit my Inbox.

Stay tuned...   :)
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: winchester on April 02, 2010, 06:00:57 AM
Nice project you got there! How did you do your roof deck? I mean what types of materials did you put in? We also had a roofdeck instead of the traditional metal roofing on our apartment building, I\'d like to share some of our experiences on this. Ours was built around 5 yrs ago, some type of water proofing was applied on the concrete not sure what it is I wasn\'t there during the construction.

For a couple of years it was ok, after that it started leaking after every heavy downpour. Overtime it became worst. We kept applying sealant and all, it didn\'t last long so didn\'t help much. When it rains, it pours inside specially during the rainy season. Electrical wirings, pipings, paints and cabinets were getting damaged every now and then. Until such time we decided to just put a metal roofing which was finished couple of months ago. I was told by a local engineer the reason of the problem. Concrete flooring gets battered with heat, cold and water causing it to keep expanding and contracting, overtime this will cause some small openings or crack on the concrete. Never really anticipated this would come. I was not aware if there are some types of materials that is really suitable for roof deck applications that can last.

I am planning even on putting up another house with a green roof deck but we might encounter similar issues later on. Did some research and there are some quality materials available here in US suitable for roofdecking but not sure there in PI specially that it rains more over there. So how did you go about this Jack?

Winchester
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af195/jteeth/roofdeck2.jpg)(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af195/jteeth/roofdeck1.jpg)



Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on April 19, 2010, 10:27:03 AM
Winchester,

Please forgive me for not getting back to you sooner on your question.  Too many projects and not enough time to devote to all of them.   ;)   ;D

The roof is a somewhat typically Filipino constructed concrete deck.  I can only hope and pray that it doesn\'t leak.   ;D  The house is not for me and Gloria.  It\'s for our family.  My brother in law hired his cousin to be the foreman on the job.  He does some things really well, especially his tile work.  The concrete construction seems to be going well, or as near as I can tell from 8749 miles away.  Ha!  I designed the house and then the barangay \"engineer\" did the blueprints for the construction.  We have included water sealant and paint for the entire house in our budget.  I also had thoughts of putting a layer of paving stone on the roof, both to dress it up a bit as well as adding another layer to prevent water seepage.  Only time will tell.  

Heat would be the big roofing killer, as well as water, lots and lots of water in the rains.  I\'ve never heard of any \"cooling\" in Metro Manila that would be sufficient to cause the concrete to contract as it would in the temperate climate we have in the US.  If concrete is subjected to temperatures below zero and then heat above 100 degrees I could see some expanding and contracting.  But with temps of 100+ in the summer and temps going down to only 75 at night during winter, my personal opinion is that there would not be sufficient contraction of the concrete to cause leaks.  Most leaks of Filipino roofing is caused by poor construction methods, i.e. improper concrete mix proportions.  

I have insisted all along that they do things my way since I\'m the one paying for everything.  My brother in law has assured me that everything is coming along nicely and he\'s very happy with the way the construction is going.  We\'ll see over time how well it\'s built.  

As far as leaking is concerned, I included a roof drainage system in my drawings and have requested several times that they do not shortcut this.  With the heavy rains they get I figured it was the least we should do to assure that water doesn\'t stand on the roof.  I even suggested and was assured that they understood that they use the drain system to recover some of the rain runoff and use that water for washing, etc.  Ronel (my brother in law) said he really liked that idea and would make sure it was incorporated into the building.  We\'ll see.  

I got some pictures in an email but they didn\'t show much except interior views.  Nothing to brag about, yet.   Shots of stairways and piles of hollow block.  ;)  But that was a few weeks ago.  I\'ll wait until I get something worth posting before I post any pics.

Again, I\'m sorry for the delay in posting a response to your questions.  It certainly wasn\'t done intentionally.  Just too little time to do the things I love.  Hope my answers made sense.    
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: fred on April 19, 2010, 03:28:41 PM
We have a large flat concrete roof on the apartment building..I have been warned that a rough finish roof deck will start to get porous over a few years..They tell me that a smooth coat of neat cement will stop the porosity..
Im still not sure the best way to go but thinking along the lines of a plastic or bitumen lining rendered with neat cement and then painted with swimming pool epoxy based paint.. Not sure yet.
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: fred on April 20, 2010, 10:38:33 AM
Well our roof may someday be another floor..Its 5\" thick with lots of rebar and no problems with 5 years of Filipino weather but Im still not happy about leaving it as it is.. Might even just have the whole lot tiled..
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: winchester on April 21, 2010, 07:33:42 AM
Hey Jack good to hear from you finally!! ;D I know just how busy a person like you would be so no worries. Good to have you back. I hope your project goes well with your expectations so good luck to that. Roof deck flooring is really hard to deal with I\'m really searching for some good remedies from someone who might have gone through the same issues. I\'m thingking on my next project if the good Lord wills, I plan to put a thick flat sheet all over the flooring, seal all joints and make some sort of a garden design to cover it. It would be like a green roof deck some sort of an experiment. I don\'t know how it would pan out just an idea I\'m figuring out that hopefully might turn out right  :\'(
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on April 26, 2010, 12:21:07 AM
Winchester,

Thanks for being so understanding.   :)  I have some concerns over just how waterproof the roof deck will be.  For that reason alone I\'m insisting that the entire house be sealed, primed and painted, inside and out.  The family agrees with my assessment.  A cousin is our foreman and he does great tile work.  I\'ve been talking with my bro-in-law and suggested that perhaps we might try to put a layer of paving tile/stone on top to add another layer of \"protection\" from the rains.  Everyone seems to think that will definitely add some protection, provided I can get the proper combination of sealant and base mortar. 

Another major reason I want to add paving stones or tile to the roof is that concrete will gradually wear away.  Due to the extreme heat and rain, the concrete will begin to flake off and eventually will cause cracks and thus will leak.  We could continue to add waterproofing sealant every year, but this could easily be \"forgotten\" and then the leaks could soon start making themselves known. 

Our roof decking was completed using the typical plywood form with rebar forming the structural support.  From what I\'ve seen so far, it appears they did an above-average job.  But I still want the roof to be as waterproof as possible.  I don\'t want to be putting more money into their house when I get started on ours.  I\'ll need to remain focused on the construction of our house so that everything comes out the way we want it.  Everyone knows that if you leave it up to them, you\'ll get \"good enough\" from every worker.  Well, it won\'t be good enough for Madame Gloria!   ;D  She\'s a perfectionist and wants her house to be the talk of the barangay.  So do I!   :D

I\'ve received some pics from my sis-in-law, but she\'s a terrible photographer and most of them show nothing distinguishable.  I\'ve written to my niece, a RN, and she promised me that as soon as she gets a day off she\'ll go take better pics.  When I get those I\'ll share with the group. 

One thing I did see that bothered me is that they decided that my design for the veranda was \"old fashioned\", according to my bro-in-law.  \"Oh, kuya Jack, that\'s old style.  Nobody puts iron work around their terrace any more\"   Hmmm...  Well, what will keep someone, anyone, form merely climbing the outer wall and making their way into the house via the second story door or windows?
\"Oh, we\'ll lock those\"   Really?    And where do you plan to sit when it\'s raining?   \"Oh, we\'ll just stay inside.\"  Hmmmm...   That\'s why I designed a covered veranda, so we could still sit outside even if it\'s raining.     ????    ???   ???   ???  Pinoy logic...    :D :D :D :D

It\'s their house and they have to live with it.  Oh!  And another thing they changed, and this one really blew me away, they didn\'t extend the roofing over the second floor veranda, so no shade!  Now I ask you, how many Filipinos have you ever seen sitting in the sun?  They changed the veranda into an exposed area, with no overhanging roof, and shortened the floor by several feet!     Grrrrrrr!!   >:(

Okay, okay Gray Wolf.  Calm down.  It\'s their house.    :P

When we build our house I think I\'ll first construct a small bahay to stay in during the construction so I can watch over everything, day and night.  When the big house is finished the small bahay can be for the maid or it can be my workshop for the many projects I\'ll get involved in.

I hope everyone uses this example, as well as a few others, do make sure you get what you pay for when you start your building projects.  Good luck!   :)  :) 
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: RUFUS on April 27, 2010, 02:34:28 AM
Not sure if it is avail in the Philippines, but plastic cement is what is used to plaster a base coat on stucco walls... might help as a base layer for your tiles.
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on April 27, 2010, 07:06:47 AM
B-Ray,

It\'s called a \"roof terrace\" and I included roof drains (4) with downspouts (2 in front) or \"free-fall\" style (2 in rear) in my house plans and drawings.  I also told them to make sure the grade runs from a high center so it drains towards all four corners.  But I\'ll have to wait until I have feet on the roof to ascertain whether they did what I requested.

I know for a fact that they did not include any special ingredients to the mix.  We\'ll just have to see what we can come up with for a sealant.  At the very least we\'ll use standard concrete sealer for the base and then perhaps a good quality concrete paint much like the porch paint we use at home.  An option would be to check out the Pioneer Pro \"Water-tite 101\", as you suggested.  Thank you for that!  



Rufus,

I\'ll also have my bro-in-law check to see if plastic cement is available and if his cousin the builder has any experience with it.  

Thanks guys!   :)
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: tom.inbigdtexas on April 27, 2010, 09:21:25 AM
... And another thing they changed, they didn\'t extend the roofing over the second floor veranda, so no shade!... They changed the veranda into an exposed area, with no overhanging roof...

Hello Jack,

An alternative approach to the roof terrace \"leaking - no shade\" problem.  On your original sketches it looked as though the rooftop kamarin covered about 40% of the terrace. Since they deleted the roof over the 2nd floor veranda, it is likely closer to 50%. 

Might just double its size, trade the nipa for metal roofing... and solve much of both the leakage and shade problem.

Since the in-laws have already jacked your design,  >:( you might as well improvise.  ;D

Looking forward to the photos.

Tom in Big D
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: graham on April 27, 2010, 04:16:13 PM
B-Ray,



I know for a fact that they did not include any special ingredients to the mix.  We\'ll just have to see what we can come up with for a sealant.  At the very least we\'ll use standard concrete sealer for the base and then perhaps a good quality concrete paint much like the porch paint we use at home.  An option would be to check out the Pioneer Pro \"Water-tite 101\", as you suggested.  Thank you for that!  



Rufus,

I\'ll also have my bro-in-law check to see if plastic cement is available and if his cousin the builder has any experience with it.  

Thanks guys!   :)

Jack,

 
In all my renovating I used a commonly available product called \"Sahara\" this is a powder that is mixed with the cement/concrete mix and is a sealant. My front wall was leaking badly as it faced the incoming rain. After plastering the wall using Sahara, No more leaks. This comes in 1Kg pack and I believe it\'s 1 Sahara to 1 bag cement. Instructions are on the pack

Bostik powder sealant is also available, same as above. Both products I used and they were Php40 a pack.

As a good recommendation, I used Sahara andBostik on my seawall. No water penetration.

That should cure your problem, hope the info helps

Graham
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on April 27, 2010, 10:31:05 PM
Tom,

Yes, the kamarin now covers more of the roof terrace than before, especially since they didn\'t extend the roof decking all the way to the front.  I still want to stick with nipa for the roofing material, but I noticed in one of the photos the family sent they had forgone my metal truss and replaced it with wood and they also have a \"temporary\" flat, corrugated metal roof, typical of so many others.  I think it looks like crap, but then the house is for the family, not me.  So much for my suggestions.   :-\\



Graham,

Thanks for the tip on Sahara and Bostik.  I\'ll pass this info along and see if they can do one thing correct.    ;D  This experience has certainly taught me a lesson.  You can bet your last peso that when I build my own house, everything will be done my way, even if I have to do it myself!   ;)   :) :)

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and help. 
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: stillbilly2002 on July 17, 2010, 09:27:06 AM
great pics thanks Jack gives us rgeat ideas!!! stillbilly
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: expatio on August 27, 2010, 03:24:19 AM
What you want GW is a kugon roof.
It looks a bit similar to an Irish thatched roof. Way better than nippa in both looks and longativity. It is more expensive than nippa or tin though.
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on August 27, 2010, 07:35:28 AM
What you want GW is a kugon roof.
It looks a bit similar to an Irish thatched roof. Way better than nippa in both looks and longativity. It is more expensive than nippa or tin though.

I understand that kugon is highly inflammable, here is a quote from the internet:-
 
The term ningas kugon traces its origin to the \"kugon grass\" that is sometimes used as roofing material. If the roof catches fire, the fire spreads very rapidly and can burn a whole roof in minutes.

Colin

At present there are 3 products used to make a thatched building fireproof.

    * Thatchbatts
    * Aluminum Barrier Foil
    * Fire Retardant Spray

Some are retardants, some isolate the roof from rest of building reducing chances of fire AND limiting damage to building and occupants.

Unaware of whats available (or it\'s cost) in RP
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: expatio on August 27, 2010, 07:18:18 PM
What you want GW is a kugon roof.
It looks a bit similar to an Irish thatched roof. Way better than nippa in both looks and longativity. It is more expensive than nippa or tin though.

I understand that kugon is highly inflammable, here is a quote from the internet:-
 
The term ningas kugon traces its origin to the \"kugon grass\" that is sometimes used as roofing material. If the roof catches fire, the fire spreads very rapidly and can burn a whole roof in minutes.

Colin
Well it is used in lots of upmarket resorts.
Must be fireproofed as CRon says.

It looks the business
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 24, 2011, 12:56:12 AM
It\'s been more than a year since I\'ve updated this thread on our project.  So much has happened and without being on site, it has been like pulling teeth to get photos for me to \"critique\".  I\'ll try my best to bring you all up to date with some photos taken with cell phone cameras from a couple of different phones.  Not the best photos, but it will have to do until I get on site again in September of this year.  I\'ll update again with better photos as I capture them during our trip.

And just another update on something very personal.  I don\'t think I posted much, if anything, about this earlier but my Dad passed away on April 22 at the age of 79 after 10 years of failing health, the last 2 years of which were constant trips in and out of the hospital.  He broke his hip in 3 places on April 20 while I was at a baby shower for my daughter\'s upcoming \"big event\".  They had to perform an operation to repair his hip and somewhere along the line either during the operation or shortly thereafter he had a stroke.  He passed away at 7PM Tuesday April 22 with my Mom, myself and younger brother at his side.  It\'s taken us all a while to get over the initial phase and move ahead with family business, but all is well now.  In fact, my Mom will come with us in September for her first ever trip out of the US.  She\'s as excited as a little school girl at the thought of seeing the Philippines and Gloria\'s family for the first time!  The family is equally as giddy and are busily making ready for our homecoming and house blessing.  But enough of hijacking my own post, on to the building project update!

Again forgive the photo quality, I didn\'t take these.  But I\'m grateful to have them, as is.  One of the first things that hit me, and let this be another example of why you need to be onsite if you build, was that they almost completely ignored my design and proceeded to change whatever suited them on that particular day.  Instead of bringing the second floor all the way to the front posts, they stopped short, directly above the existing front of the house.  They did extend the \"lop\" of the veranda a bit forward of the front, so as to have a small overhang, instead of fully covered as in my design.  Oh well...

This is how the front looked in 2006, before we began this final phase of reconstruction:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Novaliches-OldFrontViewDuringStormEMAILSIZE.jpg)

During construction before painting:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesDec-FrontView.jpg)  

It now looks like this:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/HouseFrontfullviewpainted.jpg)

A view of the old kitchen:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Novaliches-OldViewInteriorFromFrontDoorEMAILSIZE.jpg)

The old kitchen space is now a stairway going to the second floor.  Earlier in the process:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesDec-ViewofStairsFromFrontDoor.jpg)

And now, with painting complete and handrails finished:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Stairway3May2011.jpg)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/StairwayMay2011.jpg)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Stairway2May2011.jpg)

Another view of same stairway showing connection to the new kitchen at left in this photo:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Stairwayandentrancetokitchen.jpg)

The stairway has two landings.  This is a view looking down from the second to the first, showing the Sto Nino niche.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Stairway4May2011.jpg)


The sala was expanded.  This is a view from the stairway before painting:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesDec-SalaViewFromStairs.jpg)

Same sala (unfortunately not the same view) after sealing and painting.  Blocking the view is my sister in law, nephew playing peek-a-boo and niece.   ;D

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/EsterRyanTin-Tininlivingroom.jpg)

To be continued in next post....



Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 24, 2011, 01:13:18 AM
This is the new front entrance, underneath a small overhang that makes up the veranda on the second floor.  It\'s been sealed, painted and had molding added to the window and doorway.  Also the old ground level was brought up and a new concrete floor was laid down, bringing everything up to one level

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/EsterCoffeeTime.jpg)

Inside front entrance, right side of sala

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/LivingRoomdetail2.jpg)

Front window from inside

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/LivingRoomdetail3.jpg)

Left sala wall with new TV

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/LivingRoomdetail.jpg)

View towards kitchen from front corner of sala.  Stairway to second floor is visible in upper right of photo

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Roomdivider.jpg)

View of kitchen in December 2010 before paint

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesDec-KucinaViewFromSala.jpg)

New kitchen counter and cabinets.  Note: cabinets were built-in then completely covered with ceramic tile.  The only wood is the cabinet doors.  Wall is not painted in this view.  They used a soft yellow for the walls

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Kitchen.jpg)

Another view of counter at corner showing the old ref.  You can see the paint in this view.  A new 18 cu ft ref is on it\'s way.  This one will go to the rooftop for cold beer storage.   ;)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Kitchen2.jpg)

Small bedroom on first floor just off the kitchen will serve as a maid\'s room

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/OldBRNewpaintjob.jpg)

New CR on first floor

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/FirstfloorCRcomplete-1.jpg)

Stay tuned for photos of the second floor!   ;D  ;D  ;D



Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 24, 2011, 01:28:15 AM
Now some second floor photos...   The veranda

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/VerandaviewwithRyan.jpg)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesDec-VerandaTileandIronWork.jpg)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Ryanonverandawestview.jpg)

Second floor CR.  I call it \"The Golden Room\" for obvious reasons

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/SecondfloorCR.jpg)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/SecondfloorCRsinkandmirror.jpg)

Stairway to 3rd floor roughed in around December

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/NovalichesDec-2ndFloorStairwayLandingView.jpg)

Painter working on same stairway to 3rd floor.  

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Painterworkingonstairwayto3rdfloor.jpg)

Painting hallway of second floor.  Note \"vents\" above CR wall

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Painterworkingonhallway.jpg)


View of hallway from veranda doorway.  Note nice high ceiling to draw heat up and out.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Secondfloorhallwayfromveranda.jpg)

More soon!


Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 24, 2011, 01:55:52 AM
Now my favorite part of the entire project.  The rooftop!!  This is where I\'ll spend 90% of my time when I\'m there visiting the family.    

This is the view looking south in early morning

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Rooftopview.jpg)

My little sister in law sweeping up early morning

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/EsterRooftop-1.jpg)

From the south side looking north.  Brother in law Ronnel, my best friend!

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RonnellRooftop.jpg)

Another view of the exit structure onto rooftop, this one from the front

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Rooftopviewnorth.jpg)

This one from the side, looking towards the wash area under cover.  

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Rooftopviewnorthwest.jpg)

I\'m waiting for more photos tonight.  I\'ll post them as soon as I get them.  Also in the wings awaiting construction is a bahay kubo.  Ronnel was thinking of something like this, the typical cramped coffee table with walls.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/bahaykubo.jpg)

Not for me.  I\'m thinking more along the lines of something like this

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Bahaykubo1.jpg)

We\'ll just have to wait and see!  Catch up to you guys soon!
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: GregW on May 24, 2011, 02:56:28 AM
Everything\'s lookin\' good Jack.  I can see why you\'ll spend so much time on the rooftop.  Although I\'m most interested to see that fridge on the rooftop and it\'s contents.   ;D
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 24, 2011, 04:51:21 AM
I promise, that ref will be full of beer, cold soft drinks and bottled water.  I\'m going to purchase a good cooler also, that will be filled with ice every day, if necessary.  I gotta have my beer cold  

We\'re planning on leaving around Sept 13.  I was talking with our travel agent and was advised to wait until July to book as she would then have some \"specials\" to consider.  We\'ve been consistently getting prices from $1395-1595 per person, and that just won\'t cut it.  I don\'t give a damn how much they\'re paying for their fuel, I\'ll wait until I get a better price other than what I can find within 5 minutes of hitting the search engine button.  My agent says she\'ll be able to reduce it by $300 minimum person.  That\'s another $900 we can spend on beer!!   ;D  A man\'s gotta have his priorities.  

\"Did you say $900 Gray Wolf?\"   Yes, I did!  You see one of the positives that came from the passing of my Dad was that Mom is now free to travel!  She has her passport (first one ever) all her shots, and a clean bill of health from the doc!  She doesn\'t need or take any meds at all.  For a woman of 79, she\'s a spry old gal and can drink me under the table any night.  She will be one fun person to be around during the visit.   ;D

In addition to the work we\'ve been doing on the house, the barangay has been busy cleaning up the whole area, paving dirt paths, getting rid of mosquito breeding areas and generally making things nicer in Phase 3.  The old path out front looked horrible our last visit.  

Here\'s the previous pathway looking east

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Cutie.jpg)

The old pathway looking west, directly in front of Ronnel\'s sari-sari and our front gate.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/GemmaandNonieinfrontofRonelsstore.jpg)

The new look!!

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Newpathwalkeastview-1.jpg)


(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/PathwalkwestviewEster-1.jpg)

I\'m anxiously waiting for today\'s photo download from Ronnel.  When I get those, if there\'s anything good (or shocking) I\'ll post it.  

I did find out that we have a couple of nice surprises waiting for us.  One is a Malungay tree growing in the corner of the property and going up the side of the house.  For those who don\'t know about Malungay (aka Moringa), here are some links about this magical tree and it\'s healthful, medicinal leaves:

http://www.philippineherbalmedicine.org/malunggay.htm

http://hubpages.com/hub/Health-Benefits-of-Malunggay-Leaves

http://healthassistant.blogspot.com/2009/03/moringa-malunggay-is-miracle-vegetable.html

Another pleasant surprise is a papaya tree growing up the corner of the house in the back.  Ronnel says he can walk up and pick the fruit right off the tree directly from the rooftop!  WooHooo!  Tree ripened papaya!  Masarap!!  

Looking forward to seeing the new photos!  Stay tuned folks!!   :)  :)  :)  :)  
  
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 03, 2011, 02:38:10 AM
My pamangkin Ryan turned 11 this past weekend, so the family hosted a B\'Day party for my little pare.  
It was the first opportunity for them to show off the new house.  Here are a few photos giving some good views of the kucina and sala.

Please forgive photo quality.  They were taken with a cellphone camera.  
(Note to self: buy digital camera for family)  ;D

My little buddy Ryan
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty.jpg)


Yummy!
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty1.jpg)

Ryan and cousin with Lola and Lolo Alonzo (my Nanay and Tatay)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty2.jpg)

Some cousins pig out under the stairwell
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty3.jpg)

More cousins sitting along the east wall of sala
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty4.jpg)

Good view of kucina after final paint job.  Smile sister!   ;D
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty5.jpg)

Ryan outside the front \"fence\"
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/RyansBDayParty6.jpg)

My brother in law Ronnel outside the front gate
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Ronneloutsidefrontgate.jpg)

Just inside the front gate (out of view to left) Ryan in courtyard, with sari-sari in background.  This will be opened up making the store larger and new walls will be built to enclose it.  
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/Novaliches%20Project/Ryanincourtyard.jpg)

During our trip in September Ronnel and I will draw up our plans for enlarging and improving the store.  Improvements will include a new commercial grade sliding glass door ref for cold drinks.  I also plan to purchase a backup generator for the store, which is now on a dedicated circuit with new circuit breakers.

Ronnel is now completing the final paint job on the interior \"courtyard\" walls as well as the outside of the store, and a bit of finish work on the rooftop terrace.  I\'ll post more later.
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Ricky A on June 10, 2011, 09:52:01 AM
wolf

great pictures...love it...nice cake! just wondering about the backup gennie...guess the price can vary but what did you end up paying?

ricky
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 10, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
I\'m not there right now so I haven\'t bought one yet.  Ronnel says he wants to finish the topside a bit more before buying any additional appliances.  So this week they\'re applying a finish coat of stucco to the inside of the rooftop terrace.  Then they\'ll paint that as well. 

We\'ll probably wait until I\'m there so I can be the one to shop for the proper sized backup generator.  It will have to be large enough capacity to run not just lights and fans, but also the commercial sized ref for the store.  I will house it on the rooftop for proper ventilation of exhaust fumes.  I\'ve found several stores who carry them, based on company website info, but that don\'t mean crap.  So I\'ll have to drive to a couple of places to compare prices and specs.  We have two large malls close to the house, Robinson\'s and SM Fairview.  They both have large hardware stores (Handy Man, Ace) who carry generators.  I\'ll just have to wait and see in September.
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: richardsinger on June 11, 2011, 06:31:11 AM
I\'ve found several stores who carry them, based on company website info, but that don\'t mean crap.  So I\'ll have to drive to a couple of places to compare prices and specs.  We have two large malls close to the house, Robinson\'s and SM Fairview.  They both have large hardware stores (Handy Man, Ace) who carry generators.  I\'ll just have to wait and see in September.

If you have time to shop around for the gennie (or if you can get family members to \"canvas\" for you) you should be able to save some money. Recently I got a local plumber to install a 1HP water pressure tank with pump. The price in Handyman and Citi Hardware was around 15K pesos, but the plumber was able to get the same item in a small hardware shop he knows, for 12K pesos. I expect there is a similar price difference with generators and switchgear if you know where to look.

Richard
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on June 11, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
A few weeks ago, I bought a 3200W gen. Ace had it for just under P21K but I shopped around 1st and found the exact duplicate of it at an agricultural supply store. They said if I will pay cash, they will sell it to me for P17K. I said, \"DEAL\"! Of course there are places who will try to take advantage of a \"Naive Foreigner\". The place I went to before the Agri supply wanted P35k for a 2.5KW. Shop around. Deals won\'t magically appear on your doorstep. Deals are there if you take some time and look for them. God Bless....
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 22, 2011, 02:28:05 AM
Key phrase  --  \"shop around\"   Roger that!    :D   I\'ll also take along my brother in law and father in law.  The three of us will shop for the best generator for the best price.  A 3200w would probably be just about right, but I\'ll check out the load on the circuit beforehand so we know what to shoot above.   I\'d rather buy a slightly larger one and not run it to max capacity, keeping in mind the fuel efficiency, etc.

Does anyone know of a rule of thumb for a backup generator?   We\'ll be running 2 refs, a half-dozen fans and lighting for a 5 bedroom house and sari-sari.   ;)   ;D   

I gotta do some additional research on solar panels and wind generators.  There must be a way to supplement our existing system, even in north Metro Manila.  We\'re located on top of a hill and there is always a breeze \"up top\". 
 
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: grizzi on July 13, 2011, 09:35:18 PM
Quote
A 3200w would probably be just about right, but I\'ll check out the load on the circuit beforehand so we know what to shoot above.   I\'d rather buy a slightly larger one and not run it to max capacity, keeping in mind the fuel efficiency, etc.

Does anyone know of a rule of thumb for a backup generator?   We\'ll be running 2 refs, a half-dozen fans and lighting for a 5 bedroom house and sari-sari.

Jack,

A 3200w seems to be a bit light for a 5 bedroom house.  We have a 3 bedroom-2 bath. Most of the rooms use a circulating fan, there are also 3 ceiling fans, a full size ref in the house, a medium sized ref in the sari-sari.  We have one Air Conditioner in our bedroom, and also installed an electric water pump to pump water into our 400 liter water storage tank.  Our generator can handle those things, but you can hear it load up when the water pump turns on while the air conditioner is on.  You might want to go a size larger just in case you decide to add some addtional electrical loads in the future (electric water heaters, air conditioners, additional freezers/refrigerators, etc...). 

I paid p67,000 for our generator in Cebu, and it has never let us down....and in Leyte, there are quite a few planned and unplanned brown outs...lol.  One thing you should look for is fuel capacity.  Our generator uses gasoline and has about a 3 gallon tank.  It will run at full load for about 4 hours before it needs a refill.  If possible, get a system that can run for 6 or so hours on a tank of fuel...and also think bout the noise concerns.  If I had to do it all over again, I would have put the money out for a 8,000w diesel powered generator and not have any worries about fuel.  I would have also looked for something with an electric start.  My wife is a bit on the petite size, and the father-in-law isn\'t much bigger...so when I\'m not around they have to find someone to pull start the gen.

Just simple hints from someone thats been there.

Take care my friend.

Greg
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on September 08, 2011, 05:01:14 AM
As posted elsewhere on the Forum, I\'ll be leaving next Tuesday 9/13 for the Philippines.  The house has been completed inside and out but rather than depend on the low resolution images from my bro-in-law\'s cell phone, I\'ll be taking my own pics next week with a real camera.  I\'ll post updated photos of the complete structure as soon as I can load them up on the computer. 

My Tatay commented last night on the new bahay kubo just completed on the rooftop terrace.  He says he\'s going to simply \"move in\" and make that his new home!  Hahahaha!  He\'s a funny guy.  But it gives me hope that they built what I asked for, a bahay kubo large enough for me and my big belly.   ;D

Stay tuned for updates!
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: graham on September 11, 2011, 10:02:46 AM
 
Quote

Jack,

A 3200w seems to be a bit light for a 5 bedroom house.  We have a 3 bedroom-2 bath. Most of the rooms use a circulating fan, there are also 3 ceiling fans, a full size ref in the house, a medium sized ref in the sari-sari.  We have one Air Conditioner in our bedroom, and also installed an electric water pump to pump water into our 400 liter water storage tank.  Our generator can handle those things, but you can hear it load up when the water pump turns on while the air conditioner is on.  You might want to go a size larger just in case you decide to add some addtional electrical loads in the future (electric water heaters, air conditioners, additional freezers/refrigerators, etc...).  

I paid p67,000 for our generator in Cebu, and it has never let us down....and in Leyte, there are quite a few planned and unplanned brown outs...lol.  One thing you should look for is fuel capacity.  Our generator uses gasoline and has about a 3 gallon tank.  It will run at full load for about 4 hours before it needs a refill.  If possible, get a system that can run for 6 or so hours on a tank of fuel...and also think bout the noise concerns.  If I had to do it all over again, I would have put the money out for a 8,000w diesel powered generator and not have any worries about fuel.  I would have also looked for something with an electric start.  My wife is a bit on the petite size, and the father-in-law isn\'t much bigger...so when I\'m not around they have to find someone to pull start the gen.

Just simple hints from someone thats been there.

Take care my friend.

Greg


Greg,

A friend of mine lives up near La Union. He has a diesel industrial genset that
he had to run for 1 month continuous, due to last typhoon damage to the grid.
He has a large capacity auxiliary tank that sits above the fuel pump and gravity feeds
to the pump.

Maybe that\'s the way for you to go if it\'s feasible?? Don\'t know about Gasoline tho\',
wouldn\'t put the auxiliary tank in the sunlight due to expansion/contraction element.

Jack,

I\'m inclined to go along with Greg with regards to the size of the proposed Genset.
Not less than 5.5Kw output under load would be my recommendation.

Graham
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on September 13, 2011, 12:38:28 AM
Graham,

Thanks for the suggestion on the gravity fed auxiliary tank.  Since we would be powering the sari-sari as well as the house, we would definitely require a larger output genset to power the 2 refs and extra lights, fans and other necessities.  I prefer diesel as well.  Slightly cheaper to operate and diesels generally last much longer than gasoline engines.

Less than 24 hours from wheels up!  Look out boys, here I come!    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on September 13, 2011, 01:49:10 AM
Graham,

Thanks for the suggestion on the gravity fed auxiliary tank.  Since we would be powering the sari-sari as well as the house, we would definitely require a larger output genset to power the 2 refs and extra lights, fans and other necessities.  I prefer diesel as well.  Slightly cheaper to operate and diesels generally last much longer than gasoline engines.

Less than 24 hours from wheels up!  Look out boys, here I come!    ;D ;D ;D
Are you gonna visit Bacolod City?
Title: Re: Our Novaliches Project
Post by: Gray Wolf on September 13, 2011, 03:52:51 AM
Are you gonna visit Bacolod City?

Hi Steve,

No, but I will be in Cebu City the first week of October visiting with Don Herrington, Billy, maybe Johnny, if we can connect when he\'s there and any others willing to come there to say \"Howdy!\".   :)

Once I get boots on the ground in Manila, I\'ll let everyone know here on the Forum.  If you want to send me an email or send me your cell number by PM, I\'ll be glad to give you (or anyone) more specific info.  I will be in Cebu along with my wife Gloria and my Mom from here in Kentucky.  I\'m sure we can find a time and place to meet up with everyone.  Maybe we can take over a nice resto in Cebu for a few hours!  That would be fun!

Anyone interested in a dinner meeting one night while we\'re there, contact me thru the Forum, email or by PM and I\'ll set up something for all of us. 

Now, just to let everyone know right now, I won\'t be there in Cebu for more than a few days.  Our family will be waiting for us to return to Manila.  But I would like to set up a meet and greet in Cebu for anyone interested in seeing if I\'m half as big an a-hole in person as I seem online.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  I promise one and all, you\'ll be pleasantly surprised to find that I\'m actually a genuinely nice guy.  See you there!   :)