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Title: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tuckman4 on April 30, 2010, 11:35:48 AM
Need advice...I am planning to meet my soon to be fiancee in davao city end of May for a week....my problem is that she happened to let it slip that she told her ex boyfriend of 6 years who is upset he lost her....... the dates I will be there and the name of the hotel that I will be staying at with her in davao City.....the ex boyfriend is from Cataboto province......question is does this PUT MY LIFE IN DANGER...she says he is harmless...I can see why she told him she is planning to marry a forigner, but cant understand why she told him the dates and hotel i will be staying with her...this seems like a bad situation...am i being paranoid? Please advise....also she lives in New Visayas, Matanao, davao Del Sur....she wants me to go there for the day to visit her family...is that safe....please post answers or email me at   tuckman4@msn.com     thanks, Gary
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: coutts00 on April 30, 2010, 12:21:54 PM
Need advice...I am planning to meet my soon to be fiancee in davao city end of May for a week....my problem is that she happened to let it slip that she told her ex boyfriend of 6 years who is upset he lost her....... the dates I will be there and the name of the hotel that I will be staying at with her in davao City.....the ex boyfriend is from Cataboto province......question is does this PUT MY LIFE IN DANGER...she says he is harmless...I can see why she told him she is planning to marry a forigner, but cant understand why she told him the dates and hotel i will be staying with her...this seems like a bad situation...am i being paranoid? Please advise....also she lives in New Visayas, Matanao, davao Del Sur....she wants me to go there for the day to visit her family...is that safe....please post answers or email me at   tuckman4@msn.com     thanks, Gary

Great to have you aboard, wait for RUFUS he will be along soon with same.

1st question? How long have you known this gal, if she has an ex, how long has he been an ex? It may be a setup with you as the bait. Maybe arrive a day earlier and stay at a different hotel, text her to meet you at different hotel, meet her in the lobby and invite the fam to a public place for the day or take them out to Max Chicken for a meal or similar. Then skip town with her to Boracay for a week to really get to know each other, feel the waters. Palawan is also a great getaway location, Colin can set you up with prison guards to keep you safe.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on April 30, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
Ask HER WHY ON EARTH WOULD SHE TELL EX WHERE YOU WILL STAY?

If YOU\'re not comfortable with her answer.....then proceed carefully from then on along lines Wayne has suggested.....

I\'d recommend inviting IMMEDIATE family to visit YOU in DAVAO........plenty of time next trip to visit family location
You\'d have more control of safety/security issues if YOU name the time/place

May just be misunderstanding, but because it\'s rattled you a bit, best proceed with caution
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: dylanaz on April 30, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
I went to meet a date once in the \"Public housing\" units of Tondo, Manila... If you have seen Cabreeny Greens (sp) or other \"projects\" in NYC, Chicago or Pennsylvania then now Cabreeny begins to look like Disney Land compared to this area of Tondo ;D

She was to meet me at a store near her house. After waiting there and txting+calling her for 1 hr I called her friend (now I had low battery and no where to charge). Her friend said she just forgot to charge her phone and to proceed to the housing projects.

I almost hesitantly continued to her house... then I changed my mind when her friend ended the conversation by saying \"Just be careful of the Magdanako, ok\"

That was more than enough for me to flag down the next Taxi and leave...

But... 1/2 dozen TAXI\'s refused to stop in that area... I paid locals 50 peso to grab one for me .... the first still drove off as they were grabbing at the doorknobs !

Hells kitchen hath no fury like a Tondo morn....  ;D
Sad story... next time I heard from her... was the friend ... asking for funeral money... she was already dead... and about 19 yrs old...

When someone hints at possible problems.... Its probably good to take their advice.... Its probably just their conscious speaking...

Previous 2 posters are on target !

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/8319/1000-families-live-in-condemned-building-in-tondo-manila (http://www.gmanews.tv/video/8319/1000-families-live-in-condemned-building-in-tondo-manila)
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: on April 30, 2010, 08:23:16 PM
Palawan is also a great getaway location, Colin can set you up with prison guards to keep you safe.

Welcome Gary,

I am sure we could find you a nice safe prison cell with a concrete floor to sleep on  ;D Bings brother was the Officer in Charge of Inagawan prison farm and we are going to his retirement party tomorrow, I will see what I can arrange  ;)

Colin
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: woodman13 on April 30, 2010, 08:57:28 PM
I guess I am kind of old fashioned....why is she talking to her Ex boyfriend? An ex boyfriend should be just that...an ex.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: jonnyivy on April 30, 2010, 10:26:19 PM
I\'d think twice,... jealousy can make men ( and women) do crazy things to ex\'s new partners !
I\'d even think thrice,... its in the Philippines !!
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tuckman4 on April 30, 2010, 11:11:50 PM
Well I have been talking with her for 8 months on the cam. She is now working as a nanny in Hong kong and is leaving her job to go back to PI and meet me and be sponsored to come to USA....her ex boyfriend and her have been broken up for two years and she has dated guys since then and he is aware of that.....she says she is still friends with him and thats why she keeps in touch ( sounds ok ?). When she told him she was coming back to PI he told her he would like to see her and thats when she told him that she was going to marry a forigner ( which is fine) BUT also told him the dates i arrive at the hotel i will be staying with her at...THAT WAS STUPID at best. I decided that i will invite her parents into the city for lunch...no need to risk myself going out into the province. I could be pretty stupid but I dont think its a set up....my only fear is that its the Phillipinnes and for $50 this guy could have me shot in the head. It wont be too hard I will be the american holding her hand walking out of the hotel with her....I dont know how easy it would be to do that? I really dont want to change the dates or the hotel..because its the nicest one I see in davao city.....BUT I dont want to risk my life either....would she leave her job in Hong Kong and lose the $500 per month income...just to set me up? I am not rich there is no sense kidnapping me. Thanks for your welcoming support and any advise I would appreciate....this seems like agreat community..happy i joined...Thanks gary
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tuckman4 on April 30, 2010, 11:25:55 PM
just a little more backround....her answr as to WHY she told him ...when i pinned her down to it was that they went out for 6 years he never closed the deal so she went to Hong Kong to be a nanny and her plan was actually to use that as a springboard to become a nanny in canada....I know that she went out with and slept with like 5 other forigners while in HK...one was a forigner who met her in PI ( he was from belguim) NONE of them worked out and wanted to close the deal.....WHY she told me all this is still shocking my first instinct was to run, but then decided she was honest from the start so i would give it a shot.......I should point out that i was married to a Filapina who was my friends wifes sister....turns out the whole time she had a boyfriend for 5 years no one knew about...and she went back to USA...she lied the whole time. That has nothing to do with this girl but i thought since she was honest from the start.....I would give it a chance...also i think if it is a set up why tell me? What about the prison guards who can keep me safe? How much would that cost and how can I arrange it? Thanks again so much for your help. Gary
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: dylanaz on April 30, 2010, 11:53:56 PM
...also i think if it is a set up why tell me?

I watched a USA tv show last week called \"V\" - its a revival from the 80\'s TV show of the same name. Aliens tried to lure an American kid to their space ship so they can eat him, but one of the aliens felt guilty and told the kid not to go on the ship....

Guilt ....
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: RUFUS on May 01, 2010, 04:55:55 AM
Welcome to the forum
I agree with Wayne...
If you are worried, change your hotel stay to a Manila or Cebu hotel and don\'t tell your GF. Then have her and chaperone(if needed) meet you at the airport and you go to your hotel from there. Then if you go to Davao, just get a hotel or pension house when you get there.
It is not hard to change reservations if your stay is out far enough.
Only YOU can know how to proceed.
If you trust this girl, then go and enjoy yourself...
If you don\'t, then don\'t...
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tom.inbigdtexas on May 01, 2010, 06:30:54 AM
...also i think if it is a set up why tell me?

I watched a USA tv show last week called \"V\" - its a revival from the 80\'s TV show of the same name. Aliens tried to lure an American kid to their space ship so they can eat him, but one of the aliens felt guilty and told the kid not to go on the ship....

Guilt ....

Ahhh... much more complicated, Dylan.  She told the kid (she is a \"V\" who is dating the kid) not to come to the ship to make him think his mom had convinced her to cool the relationship, which in turn would make the kid even more determined to move onboard the ship... sort of a reverse psychology move by her.  So, it wasn\'t guilt, but cunning, that motivated her actions.

But... back to the thread... I agree with others (including the mob bosses in \"Goodfellas\" - \"... why take a chance.\")  This girl is not an innocent province teenager that needs the security and \"custom\" of meeting her with her family nearby... she is already living abroad and dating foreigners.  Meet her somewhere nice in the PI, or even in HK, and if thing go well... then arrange a meeting with her family on the second or third get together.

Tuckman... don\'t let your heart or other body parts lead you into an unnecessary dangerous situation... even if 1/2 of 1% concern... \"why take a chance.\"

Tom in Big D   
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: coutts00 on May 01, 2010, 06:46:19 AM
I agree with Tom,

If she is already in HK meet her in HK. Then you can fly together to Manila, or Cebu and pick a destination from there. After you finalise details between you, then meet the family and ask for blessings, don\'t forget the pasalubong for the parents.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: on May 01, 2010, 06:57:20 AM
What about the prison guards who can keep me safe? How much would that cost and how can I arrange it? Thanks again so much for your help. Gary

Gary, that was just Wayne having a joke, but I am sure security could be arranged if you are worried. The Mayor and Vice Mayor here go around with \'presidential\' type armed guards. However, I suggest you follow the advise of others and change you meeting arrangements.

Colin
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: dylanaz on May 01, 2010, 07:19:45 AM
Ahhh... much more complicated, Dylan.  She told the kid (she is a \"V\" who is dating the kid) not to come to the ship to make him think his mom had convinced her to cool the relationship, which in turn would make the kid even more determined to move onboard the ship... sort of a reverse psychology move by her.  So, it wasn\'t guilt, but cunning, that motivated her actions.

Ahh but remember 1 -2 episodes earlier she failed the \"alien test\" and was ordered executed for having human emotions only to be saved by a top alien-rebel infiltrator - Joshua. SO I think theres a hint of humanism hiding in her... especially that the rebel hid her failing and executable results from her evil overlord boss/mom who would have killed her... Ooh and when the Evil overlord (who looks like my soo hot ex from Manhattan) told her the BF would be killed after they are done with him... she showed hesitation.... shes turning human.. I know it... i think... lol... Just like John Mays killer !  :D


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But... back to the thread... I agree with others (including the mob bosses in \"Goodfellas\" - \"... why take a chance.\")  This girl is not an innocent province teenager that needs the security and \"custom\" of meeting her with her family nearby... she is already living abroad and dating foreigners.  Meet her somewhere nice in the PI, or even in HK, and if thing go well... then arrange a meeting with her family on the second or third get together.

Tuckman... don\'t let your heart or other body parts lead you into an unnecessary dangerous situation... even if 1/2 of 1% concern... \"why take a chance.\"

Tom in Big D  

I didnt want to mention it but its up in the air now.... RP is majority 90%  Catholic country and she has openly admitted to having numerous sexual encounters with foreigners.... in this country 4 partners is a ... well... THATS A LOT ! (for this place - but I probably had 4 by the time i was 8 - lol... jk... maybe...)....

HK meeting ! Wow .. I never thought about that one.... MANY great ideas here... why sit in your hotel everyday... no mater HOW MANY STARS IT HAS.. why worry about getting setup... meet on YOUR terms.... pick a different 5 star or even Hong Kong ! A flight from Philippines to HK is under $100 ... well worth it to save your peace of mind - and as far as I know .. Filipinos dont need a visa to go to HK - she can go ANYTIME TOO ! Even if shes already home !

DONT TELL HER U DONT TRUST HER.... Just surprise her with a nice romantic trip to DISNEYLAND HONG KONG !

NOTE TO TUCKMAN4:
Here - EVERY foreigner is viewed to be rich ! Just like in USA most people think EVERY celeb on TV or in sports is rich.... when actually - some are not ...
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tuckman4 on May 01, 2010, 07:21:02 AM
The plan is for her to go to the hotel and leave her bags with the desk and then take the shuttle to the airport in davao to meet me. I hired a private car thru the hotel to take us both back to check in. I will invite her parents ( only) to come into davao to the hotel to meet me for lunch...by the way someone wrote when i meet her parents dont forget the \" paslubong \" what is that? My real concern is wether or not its feasible for the exboyfriend to try and do me harm or would it be far fetched. I have been talking with a really nice guy named Bob Martin who has been very helpful and he feels that I will be safe...he feels it was very stupid of her to tell him but doubts anything will happen to me that as long as i stay in davao city I am safe.....I dont want to be a chicken, but dont want to get killed either....I really dont want to change hotels as the Marco Polo looks like the nicest in davao city. The question is how easy would it be for this guy from catabato to do me harm....by the way she claims her ex comes from a good family and is not a violent person ( for whatever thats worth). if it were me I would be upset, but would never hurt anyone...but who knows maybe he could tell the kiddnappers i am rich ( which I am not) and they could grab me? all sorts of things are going thru my mind...If I was going to CA or NY in the states i would not care....but the Phils scare me.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tom.inbigdtexas on May 01, 2010, 07:57:18 AM
all sorts of things are going thru my mind...If I was going to CA or NY in the states i would not care....but the Phils scare me.

 :D --- The Phils scared me too ---  ;D --- but it turned out to be my preconceptions, vivid imagination and paranoia.  By the time my first visit with the family was over, I felt both silly and a little bit ashamed of myself.  If you\'re interested, I\'ve posted this story and some photos at:

http://livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php/topic,2632.msg23921.html#msg23921

Now I would be scared if I was meeting her family in CA or NY.  :)

Tom in Big D
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: RUFUS on May 01, 2010, 08:47:10 AM
pasalubong is a gift.
It would be nice if you bring them some small trinkets from the USA.
T-shirts or hats with sports or college team names printed on them.
Small bottles of perfume or cologne.
Pints of US alcohol
Chocolates and candies for kids.
ETC...
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tuckman4 on May 01, 2010, 10:43:38 AM
Tom thanks for the Pictures and the story...it was really nice to read......I was thinking instead of bringing trinkets and small gifts i would just give the parents 10,000 PHP as a gift. figuring that they would need and appreciate that more.....or is that an insult. I planned on buying a bunch of chocolate to give them to take home to all the kids. Thanks so much for all your replies
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: coutts00 on May 01, 2010, 12:34:32 PM
Gifts and not expensive ones. Lets not set a precedent now, you are not rich, and lets let them keep that preconception. As soon as you start flashing cash, you will have every neighbour asking for it. 10k is 2 months salary.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on May 01, 2010, 01:43:29 PM
On my second (or third trip) to see Gloria I wanted time alone with her, at times I was overwhelmed by all the \"little\" trips she\'d planned for me.
She\'d tell me we would go see 1 person......but had 2 or 3 side trips that I didn\'t know about initially .......wore me out some days

...... so I booked a trip on SuperFerry from Manila to Cebu on my arrival .......no relatives, no unscheduled visits......it was only a day and a half but good to have time away from relatives.........

You could do something similar at some point in your trip Davao to Cebu.....maybe at midpoint so you get a break
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: dylanaz on May 01, 2010, 02:48:39 PM
...but who knows maybe he could tell the kiddnappers i am rich ( which I am not) ...

By saying that - ALL THE MORE REASON to listen to the others and NEVER give P10k ...

A \"pasalubong\" is basically expected EVERYTIME you visit !
They will - by nature - expect P10k PER VISIT if you do that !

Relatives who visit me bring fruit from their trees (or neighbors trees) or bread... and as we saw in my recent post... one gave me the hat off his own head !

Its just like a small token and its ROUTINE - its not like Christmas !

Its more like getting a free newspaper when you buy a breakfast !

You give P10k... they tell their friends and family.. and yes.. LINES WILL START FORMING....

Not saying to be cheap.. just \"When in rome...\"

How about asking - and not give her a hint.. ask your girl.. what \"pasalubong\" she thinks will be nice for her parents.. put it on her... chances are you will end up with cupcakes or the likes...

NOTE: A govt employee in RP asked me to bring him back a pasalubong... his request... a Piggy Bank from MExico (since he knew Arizona borders Mexico) thats it ... a $1 piggy bank for a lifetimer in a govt office job !
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: RUFUS on May 02, 2010, 01:01:39 AM
ANYTHING that has something printed on it from stateside goes over great.
I gave out T-shirts that I bought at a Champion outlet bargain bin, printed with different sports and college names and cost me about $3/ea. You woulda thought I handed each person a gold nugget...
I also get those huge bags of Tootsie rolls at the dollar store, the kids just gobble those up..
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 02, 2010, 04:13:22 AM
When it comes to pasalubong, it truly is the thought that counts, not the cost of the gift.  Trust everyone when we say do not bring a gift valued at 10Kpesos.  In some families that could almost be considered an insult, since they could never afford anything even remotely close to that.  It also sets a very precarious precedent for you as every subsequent visit they will all be waiting for their expensive gifts.

One more story to put the value of that gift in perspective.  When I first met Gloria, my wife, she was working at a very large plastics manufacturing corporation as the executive assistant to the President of the corporation.  She was very highly paid for her work.  She made so much money, she gave half of her pay to help support her parents and nieces/nephews.  She earned 10kpesos per month, the same amount as the gift you planned to give the parents of your gf.  Waaay too much for a first time visit and even for later on after you\'re married, in most cases.

T-shirts printed with US sports teams, city names, state names, etc are a huge hit with everyone.  We bought 50 t-shirts at 3/$5 in a local flea market and gave one to every niece, nephew, sis, bro, aunt, uncle, mom and dad.  They were more proud of those t-shirts than anything!  Next trip I brought along 24 cheap ball caps (old samples that had been laying around my office collecting dust)   They almost fought over those $1 caps!   :D

Don\'t over do it with your first trip.  If you marry the girl, you\'ll have plenty of opportunities to \"show off\" later.    ;)   :)  :)  :)   
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: tuckman4 on May 02, 2010, 12:12:40 PM
Thanks for all your input. I will go buy a bunch of t shirts at the flea market and give those out. I know the kids love chocolate. Is there a place in davao where i can buy alot of Chocolate cheap so i dont have to travel with it?

Thanks

Gary
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on May 02, 2010, 01:57:48 PM
If you are flying into Manila first, after arriving there are stores selling candies, chocolates in the airport itself before you go thru customs......
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: RUFUS on May 02, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
FYI...
As per Mrs RUFUS, the chocolates made in the Philippines do not taste the same as the ones sold in the US. Even though the same brand, the taste is different. WHY, I do not know. But who is to argue with pinoy logic ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: GregW on May 03, 2010, 02:43:58 AM
Ah, but Rufus, have you ever tried Cloud Nine in the RP?  Sure it doesn\'t have the class of being known as \"imported\" but it\'s pretty darn good.



Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: RUFUS on May 03, 2010, 03:32:13 AM
Nope, haven\'t tried it.
I\'m not much of a chocolate eater tho...
I\'ll give it a taste on the next trip.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: jonnyivy on May 03, 2010, 04:01:39 AM
\"cloud nine\" ,.. hehe,.. now that brings back memories !
We always hold small games outside the house for the young kids when we visit. Most \"prizes\" are single sweets from the multi-packs we buy in the city before we go down to the province. We have to think of extra special games for the \"prize\" of a cloud nine, like jumping higher and higher over a bar, or limbo-ing under it. Should see me trying to beat them, just to get the prize for myself !!
Delicious !!(and great fun )

Jonny
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: coutts00 on May 03, 2010, 08:10:40 AM
Gary the point of the pasalubong for a foreigner is to bring something from home with you. I know on my first visit, I bought a box as part of my luggage, a type of Balikbayan box if you like, customs generally does not care what is in there, I filled it with about 200 USD of stuff, Fancy Chocolates for Mama, LED flash lights for Papa and some uncles, I went to the dollar store and picked up bag upon bag of lollipops and small chocolate bars, like the ones given out for Halloween, small bottles of shampoo, socks etc. Nothing to personal, oh and soap from the US is a biggie.

Its about perception of taking time for the gift, if you pick it up in the Philippines, there is no thought in the gift is there?
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on May 03, 2010, 11:08:38 AM
Agree with Wayne of gifts for grown ups from overseas.......but I doubt kids bother WHERE the candies and chocolates are from
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 04, 2010, 12:13:37 AM
If you are flying into Manila first, after arriving there are stores selling candies, chocolates in the airport itself before you go thru customs......

And they\'re priced 3x higher than the chocolate in the US purchased at any discount store like Walgreens, CVS, Costco, K-Mart, Walmart, etc, etc, etc. 

Bring a bag or two from home.  It won\'t hurt you to carry some chocolates.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: BC Boy on October 02, 2010, 02:10:18 PM
Hey Tucker....did you live?

I know this is an old thread but was just in Davao City four days. Felt safer than Cebu city though not to many foreigners that saw. I have to say it was a refreshing change from Cebu city. Clean, not crowded, well laid out streets, good infrastructure, great shopping. The Gaisano Mall grocery store was great it had all kinds of imports and organized in a logical manner( example like 5 different brands of corn beef in 5 different locations in store) It had everything, i bought nice cheeses, sausage, beef jerky from US of A and of course all the amazing fruits from Davao.

Popped over to Paradise resort for a beach day, went to Drifters UK basement pub and had killer fish and chips and watched discovery turbo on a big screen. Was great. Just a heads up for the Crown Regency, don\'t stay in the standard rooms out back. There running an hourly deal and it was noisy all night. Some of the Deluxe units had garage doors. Taxi would pull up and honk twice, man would open garage door car would pull in, door would slam shut, 10 seconds latter door would open, empty cab pull out, door close. Repeat every hour or so lol.

I would go back to Davao City for sure, but not until i have checked out some new places of course.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: ontime on February 22, 2011, 11:53:09 PM
Well hello all... I must tell you I skimmed though most of the posts looking for the issue that was titled in this post but found out about the giving of candies and the such...

I have put { living in Dipolog city } in search engines in relationship to safety Issues and cant seem to find any up to date info could someone please provide me with a link or perhaps the proper way to put it into the search engine and explain to me if I am doing something wrong here?

Basically what I want to learn is if it is safe generally speaking for an American to live in  [[[ Dipolog city ? ]]]

And I guess an additional question might be how far away does the trouble start because I don\'t prefer to being locked into any one particular geographical area?

From what I have seen or been able to gather it is not the best choice of destinations so feel free to give me all of your opinions.

It seems the one lady that I have met and kept in touch with since November lives there with her family plans on staying there and I am getting conflicting points of view as to whether or not it is safe for an American in today\'s Times?

I would appreciate any help or a link that will bring me to the proper page along with instructions is how to use the search engine to be more efficient?

Thank you From On Time
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: Gray Wolf on February 23, 2011, 11:04:26 PM

Basically what I want to learn is if it is safe generally speaking for an American to live in  [[[ Dipolog city ? ]]]

And I guess an additional question might be how far away does the trouble start because I don\'t prefer to being locked into any one particular geographical area?

From what I have seen or been able to gather it is not the best choice of destinations so feel free to give me all of your opinions.

Thank you From On Time

Generally speaking, yes, it\'s relatively safe to live in Dipolog.  The trouble would start as soon as you begin to travel south/southwest.  You would probably be relatively safe in traveling due East, depending on which means of transportation you decide to use.   I don\'t recommend \"thumbing it\", but a bus or private vehicle would most likely work out okay.

What happened to your idea of living on your boat?  Did I miss that post? 
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: JeffersonFlies on February 24, 2011, 12:30:58 AM
I too am interested in knowing how this guy is doing.

Two things my woman told me about the Philippines: \"Don\'t ever go to Mindanao, it\'s full of muslims who will kidnap you.\" and \"Don\'t bring pasalubong for anyone but the kids.\"

So I\'ve never been to Mindanao, but when I first flew into the Philippines her entire extended family waited for us. Our flight was delayed 3 hours, and traffic delayed us an extra 1 hour. And the look on her uncle\'s face when he realized there was nothing for him after he bussed for 4 hours and waited another 6 for us to come... well after that night we never saw or heard from  him again..  ;)
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: ontime on February 24, 2011, 05:21:04 AM
Magandang umaga Gray Wolf... No sir you did not miss any posts...How ever the People you and the Captain gave me to contact...sent back a first reply saying let the gentleman who owns Cebu yacht club was on vacation and he would be returning the second week in January and would correspond with me after that.

To which I have sent two more inquiries for a secure location to store a cargo container full of might personal belongings and some tools I would need to set up a vessel in the Philippines to make it livable or at least have access to tools if I needed to do some work on the vessel itself.

Since 16 January I have sent to more inquiries to the owner of Cebu yacht club and have received no responses.

The same holds true for the yacht club or boat club 20 miles to the north so in fact it looks like I am going to have to come there and as you say with some boots on the ground.

Of course the option to live on a boat is my first option although one of the ladies that I truly enjoy communicating with lives on the island of Mindiano and your feedback as far as safety is concerned is all I need to know that I don\'t want to live anywhere near that island on a vessel of any size and I know myself well enough to know that I wouldn\'t want to be confined by any type of restrictions because of the possibility of having a run-in with the Muslim population considering the fact that you are not allowed to bear arms and they apparently from what I read are well armed it wouldn\'t be much fun.

Even the consulate in New York City advised against living on a boat or vessel anywhere near that island but wouldn\'t go so far as to make a determination about the land itself in all likelihood for political reasons although I got the impression it would be best if I didn\'t live there from the consulate itself I wanted to hear it from a fellow Americans point of view and I did run across a few posts to the same effect although the latest one was in February of 2009 which was almost 2 years ago and I was hoping something would change.

As far as the vessel is concerned I would think at this point I would have to come to the Philippines and purchase a vessel rather than sell it 9000 miles in this way I would eliminate the import tax and a year and a half on the oceans.

I guess of the smallest concern is that the lady that I wished to live on the sailboat with me in Cebu originally once we got to know one another [all of about five weeks] had explained to me that her ex husband who she is still married to owns half of her house N. in order to get an annulment and to get her husband off of her back requested 100,000 pesos which would by half of the house from her husband and she would own it outright and then we could live in the house and I could keep the boat at the Cebu yacht club.

[Lead bricks] that went over like a lead bricks I tell you!

I still keep in contact with the lady from the southern island on a daily basis sometimes but she is adamant about living close to her family and I can\'t blame her for loving her parents but I couldn\'t live where I would be confined and I just wrote that letter this morning.

So once again I joined one of the nicest dating sites that I have run across Christian Filipino and am flickering back and forth on whether or not it is even a good idea to try to find someone on the Internet was simply go there and meet some people.

In order to do this first I must put everything in a cargo container or a large 24 foot box truck and put the things in storage as I still am in the home that I purchased in 1999 and in limbo but I don\'t think that is going to be for any great length of time.

This is the reason I wanted to get in touch with Milo at the Cebu yacht club in order to find out if I would have a place for it cargo container worry 24 foot box truck with a tailgate in running condition of course and I have never received an answer to that effect.

I can\'t blame them considering most people are just acting out some sort of fantasy in their beliefs that they are moving to the Philippines but my biggest concern is what I would like to bring in to settle some arrangements with another home whereas my mother just passed away and the final legal obligations are still a little bit up in the air as far as the home and some other items are concerned that should be cleared up shortly.

So there you have it Gray Wolf another series of complex endeavors although it looks like it is winding down it has been a difficult year.

I do come on these pages every day and soak up as much information as possible and I have often recommended this site to many people that wish to learn about the Philippines.

I actually enjoyed one particular post greatly a few weeks ago when I read it concerning what do you do when you are in retirement and all of the peoples and all of the different things that different people do during the course of the day to fill in the moments.

The radio controlled idea is a fantastic hobby for anyone even if they do know nothing about airplanes or radio control technology is perfect for someone that wishes to fill up their day with an unending ability to learn a new hobby and meet some really interesting people.

Where I live it ranges from children to people and have been on the NASA space agency control board and even many pilots.

A pretty interesting group of individuals to say the least.

So once again I thank everybody for their input with one additional question in that I heard there was one other location that there could be problems with the Moslem community a bit north of Cebu and I believe it was north east on the islands ON TACLOBAN CITY?

Thank You Very Much for All Your Assistance from on Time
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: dylanaz on February 24, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
... I wouldn\'t want to be confined by any type of restrictions because of the possibility of having a run-in with the Muslim population considering the fact that you are not allowed to bear arms and they apparently from what I read are well armed it wouldn\'t be much fun....


They aint hurtin\' me.. and I even courted some of their women !

But you MUST remember one thing in the Philippines. Regardless of religion - if you flip someone the middle-finger while driving - you can expect a shorter life.

Filipinos in general are very sensitive to pride, dignity, and how others see them. A little insult (or correction) in the mind of a foreigner - is life or death to many even Christian Filipinos... Just read any paper on road rage shootings here... Even a fellow poster had a gun pointed at him in traffic for making a motorist angry.

So Generally speaking Filipinos are more sensitive and may respond stronger than Americans. And their Muslim population is in general a bit more sensitive than that majority of Filipinos...

That pretty much sums it up...

A foreigner may comment \"You are a flargin, blargin poop head of an idiot!\" - in a heated argument - just words to express anger - however...

Most filipinos may interpret that as \"I WILL FIGHT YOU RIGHT NOW - LETS FIGHT\"
Local Muslims may interpret that as \"I DECLARE PERSONAL WAR ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY - TIME TO DIE!\"

We wonder why so many Filipinos are polite to us.. They are just as polite to each other also - It may be because even they know small things get blown out of porpotion very easily... and escalate quickly to much worse... so it is best to be polite than to have something small accidentally taken as fighting words.


I had a close call years ago with a local Muslim family. Making the MISTAKE of explaining myself using an ANALOGY (definite no no). I told the mother of the house that her daughter was young and needs time to be tamed just like a wild horse. OMG - that was... well... DEMS FIGHTIN WORDS !

She interpreted that as me calling her daughter a human-horse (locally known as a TIKBALANG - aka centaur) - and that was all she grasped - and well... most other people would not have walked away from that day   :P

Just NOTE:
(MODS - this is a non religious comment just a comparison so people understand my POV)

There is a big difference from Southern Baptist and Mormon - yet both have a Bible in common.

I have a book in common with local Muslims, however there is a BIG difference bewteen a Chicago, USA Muslim who wears a bowtie and sells bean pie on street corners and a Local one... who never EVER even heard of bean pie  ;D



PS - bean pie tastes like Pumpkin pie - not like a burrito. And its made with the same sweetened bean locals eat in their Halo-Halo ice cream - heheh
(http://www.modeldmedia.com/galleries/Default/Story%20Images/Issue%2025/old%20school%20northwest/beanpies.jpg)
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: ontime on February 24, 2011, 08:47:30 AM
Dylan I don\'t have any problem with them...it is much more the other way around...so why put yourself in the mix if its not needed ?

I could care less what God people believe in..the problem is when they don\'t like you because their ignorance does not let them see the bigger picture

Thanks for the advice though i don\'t Flip people off in traffic...lol

I seen a guy pee some one off once in traffic and it looked like a movie scene...

man flips off man ~

Man jumps out of car with shot gun...

Man sticks shotgun in flippers face


Man that was funny

That dude will think twice before flipping any one off again


Any how thanks
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: Gray Wolf on February 24, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
OnTime and all,

Forget trying to contact business people in the Philippines by email, unless you already know them very, very well.  And websites?  Fuggedaboutit!  To most of them that I\'ve come in contact with, websites and business email addresses are much the same as expensive cell phones and flashy cars.  A status symbol, nothing more, nothing less.  They rarely, if ever, check who has been visiting their sites and probably have forgotten how to login on their business email address.   :o   ::)   ;)   :)

Phone numbers... you need to contact them by phone.  The guy in Cebu with the \"yacht\" club?  I doubt whether he\'ll ever return your emails.  He\'ll wait until you literally pull into port to inquire about the cost (and of course, since you\'re a rich Kano, it\'ll cost you more)   ;D
 
Boots on da ground, bro!  Boots on da ground!  Then you\'ll get the straight skinny. 

I wish it wasn\'t this way, but after 10 years of visiting, that\'s my observation.  Of course, it\'s just my opinion.  I may be wrong.   ;) 

Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: on February 24, 2011, 11:24:20 AM

The radio controlled idea is a fantastic hobby for anyone even if they do know nothing about airplanes or radio control technology is perfect for someone that wishes to fill up their day with an unending ability to learn a new hobby and meet some really interesting people.

Where I live it ranges from children to people and have been on the NASA space agency control board and even many pilots.

A pretty interesting group of individuals to say the least.


Unfortunately it is a bit limited here unless you live in the Manila area. There is activity in the Angeles area and also in Batangas near lake Taal. Some years ago I did see posts on another forum of a club in the Cebu area.

You can now even build your own \'drone\' complete with video cameras http://www.fpvflying.com/categories/FPV-OSD-for-rc-airplane/, the missiles could be a problem. ;D

Colin
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: ontime on February 24, 2011, 07:46:50 PM
No Sir your not wrong...

i have had the same experience with the {{ SINGING DENTIST }} although I did call her twice and emails I never got a return call or email  but I hear many nice things about her and husband so I will go there any way...

As for Milo & the yacht club ... yep your correct It would be simpler to just spent a few days traveling from one end of Cebu to the other and spending a few days at the  small resort at the tip of the north end and get to meet the people in person.

I will be there for a month so I will have the time to do allot of things

Once again thank you Gray Wolf for the excellent and honest advice

On Time
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: on February 24, 2011, 10:04:33 PM
It\'s not just PI businesses that don\'t answer their e-mails. About 50% of suppliers and vendors I have e-mailed in the west over the years don\'t respond when contacted from their web sites.

Things are improving, but it still seems somewhat backwards to run a website, yet not answer to enquiries it generates.
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on February 24, 2011, 11:17:05 PM
When I built a couple of dozen websites back in mid 90s I always advised the small business to hire a temp just to answer anticipated volume of e-mails

First - acknowledge all e-mails
Second - send out info requested, prices/models etc if not on website
Third - print, copy and pass e-mails that required more knowledgable answers
Fourth - follow up third for replies to customers after 2 days

If volume too much for 1 temp hire more
If not enough work for one, call me back as website not delivering results

I doubt 20% properly handled e-mails......as I would follow up at 1 & 3 months after launch
Title: Re: Mindanao - Safety Question
Post by: ontime on February 24, 2011, 11:50:53 PM
Hello Captain...

To be fair ~  they may not ans because it cost a great deal to do so in time and money... plus its a long shot that most people will ever really follow up on their { good intentions } in the first place.

I am one of the few who has made a plan and will give it a great effort but as always w there were many set backs already.
 
I my self ans all calls but I get only 2% of the inquires  or less of what the net brings in...

People some times call for a yard of gravel & they live 100 miles away when there is a gravel pit 1/2 mile from there house

Good day to ya Captain