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Title: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 02, 2013, 01:07:06 AM
Hi Guys

I have beach property in Palawan....Narra.

The wife and I need to start getting it ready....or make it look owned or occupied...so to speak.
Besides cutting brush down...we think a temporary fence should be the first step.
We are in the U.S. still.

What type of fence should we go with temporarily?.....I know concrete is a major job......but we just want to enclose our area....to keep the neighbors from letting their buffalo...or cows stomp our area down. When we visited....we had cows on the beach...huh? :o
Our tour guide kindly asked them to move them off our area.

Plus....there is a man-made road going through our land....we want to make sure with something temporary...that their wont be any issues or trouble.
There was a different road built...at the rear of the properties... to take the place of the old man made road.

Anyway....Im thinking posts and barbed wire?.......Its 3 hectares....but we may only fence the area closer to the beach...depending on cost.
Can you give a rough estimate of cost also......thanks Guys

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: RUFUS on February 02, 2013, 04:35:15 AM
I'm not sure about your locale, but most beaches in the Philippines are government owned(YMMV), so fencing it off may not be an option.
But...
Barbed wire is pretty inexpensive.
Split bamboo is pretty inexpensive.
A line of piled dark rocks will curb most bovine incursions, as they will not step over it, but will not stop bipeds.
Also, unless you/yours maintain a permanent presence there to shoo the unwanted's away, a fence may not mean squat to the neighbors and you will probably return to it torn down.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Big Jim on February 02, 2013, 08:08:57 AM
I'm not sure about your locale, but most beaches in the Philippines are government owned(YMMV), so fencing it off may not be an option.
You can't own the beach but you can get a fore shore lease or some name like, on the beach in front of your property, that which allows you to build picnic cottages on it.
 
The best fence is hollow block. My suggestion is you only build the fence once and build it from hollow block.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: FMSINC on February 02, 2013, 08:11:46 AM
Murphy, To keep the cows out use at least 4 strands of Barb Wire I would suggest you make cement posts as the bamboo poles will only last a few months even Mahogany posts will only last at most 2 years

I have been making post using 9 MM rebar I use 3pcs rebar per post with triangle collars welded to the lengths of rebar ever 12 inches or so

I tried one large rebar in the center of the post but if the bull pushes against it the post will crack

Building a fence however may cause you additional problems as it will alert the professional squatters if any in your area that the lot has an owner that plans to build in the future you may find 10 squatter familes living there when you return

Then the fun will begin


Good Luck to you

Tom / Roxas City
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 02, 2013, 08:47:37 AM
Lets see.....

The beach is technically not ours......theres about 15 feet of sand before the water....then a small slope up to our property....a calm inlet type of area.
We just plan on fencing around the house....maybe back further later. The beach is open to everyone....but...theres not many people living there.....and the other strips of property were sold next to us also. Its just a jungle type area now...with one caretaker next to our property.

So....squaters actually gravitate towards property that may be developed??....or that is owned.?

Man...its hard to get a grasp on where to start.....one issue after another.
I want at least something done before we pack up and move.
Will any trees or plants survive if we have them planted??.....for future use.

Its strange...things appear so simple....but are actually just as complicated as modern countries.

Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: BingColin on February 02, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
I would suggest buying 2 metre concrete posts and install them every 3 metres with 3-6 strands of barbed wire. When we bought our lot there was a 6 strand fence along one side and we added a 3 strand fence around the rest of the lot. We then tied Buho (thin bamboo) to the wire to give some privacy. This doesn't last long but is cheap to replace. We plan to replace this with hollow block walls later.

I would not worry about squatters where your lot is, and planting trees should not be a problem.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 02, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
I would suggest buying 2 metre concrete posts and install them every 3 metres with 3-6 strands of barbed wire. When we bought our lot there was a 6 strand fence along one side and we added a 3 strand fence around the rest of the lot. We then tied Buho (thin bamboo) to the wire to give some privacy. This doesn't last long but is cheap to replace. We plan to replace this with hollow block walls later.

I would not worry about squatters where your lot is, and planting trees should not be a problem.

Hi Collin

Thanks for the advice....my wife mentioned concrete post with barbed wire also......plus....we would consider it temporary until we arrived.
We are about 10 minutes from the highway..on a rough road from Narra....we pass the vice mayors house on the way in. Good news with the squaters....not really populated back there. Also, being able to plant fruit before hand.....is a plus.

Collin...I know you are north....we would be south....do you know someone named John?
Lived in the prison compound for a while? I spoke with hime a couple years ago....he was in Narra also.

Thanks for the info

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: BingColin on February 02, 2013, 12:09:36 PM
I would suggest buying 2 metre concrete posts and install them every 3 metres with 3-6 strands of barbed wire. When we bought our lot there was a 6 strand fence along one side and we added a 3 strand fence around the rest of the lot. We then tied Buho (thin bamboo) to the wire to give some privacy. This doesn't last long but is cheap to replace. We plan to replace this with hollow block walls later.

I would not worry about squatters where your lot is, and planting trees should not be a problem.

Hi Collin

Thanks for the advice....my wife mentioned concrete post with barbed wire also......plus....we would consider it temporary until we arrived.
We are about 10 minutes from the highway..on a rough road from Narra....we pass the vice mayors house on the way in. Good news with the squaters....not really populated back there. Also, being able to plant fruit before hand.....is a plus.

Collin...I know you are north....we would be south....do you know someone named John?
Lived in the prison compound for a while? I spoke with hime a couple years ago....he was in Narra also.

Thanks for the info

Murph

Some of my wifeís family work for the Prison authorities in Inagawan Prison farm and before we moved here we used to regularly stay there for many weeks. I have not heard any mention of a foreigner named John living there. It could have been Montible or Iwahig, but I think I would also have heard about them there as well. I wonder if you are thinking about me, I have a vague recollection of someone buying land near Narra.

I have seen a reference to a thorn bush, canít remember the name, that makes an excellent hedge and will even stop goats.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 02, 2013, 12:43:17 PM
For some reason....Im thinking your are from the U.K......or Australia.
The person I Skyped or spoke  with was a John.....American. Had a like a co-op or community who shared food.
Was a member here at one time. 
Non the less....I will be looking for your posts....and probably asking questions pertaining to Palawan.
Hope the Typhoon didnt do too much damage...I read it was north.

Thanks Again

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: wildbill on February 02, 2013, 08:04:56 PM
my fence is cement posts like colin said and I put Barbed wire spaced 6 inches apart let them try and step on it I did to trim and it went rite threw my big rubber boots into my foot lets say not a good feeling ..go up maybe 5 feet that will keepem out...
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: graham on February 04, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
Murph,

I live right on the beach in CDO City. I would "NOT" recommend barbed wire.
I had it on top of my seawall and it rotted away in less than 6 months. Just
fell apart at the touch of my hand.

I used, for my fencing around the house, coco lumber. 3x2 posts every 8 feet.
 3 of 2x2 rails for each panel, and bamboo for the infill. These generally lasted me
2-3 years. I am, this year doing it in blocks.

One suggestion, that I was thinking of doing, was making cement posts in form-work
using 4 or 6" plastic pipe cut in half lengthwise, then band the 2 halves back together
using wire etc.
Put thick aluminium strips thru the plastic pipe, prior to pouring in the concrete, to
bolt/screw the rails of the fence to. Pour the concrete in, let set, then seperate the
2 halves. This way your posts last a long time and you just need to replace rails and
bamboo infill.

Graham   
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 04, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Hey Graham

That sounds like it might work.....We probably will go for cement posts also.

Did you have to build your sea wall 20 meters back from the water?
Our beach is only about 10 meters then up an embankment to our land.
Ive read the rule is 20 meters back.

Thanks
Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: BingColin on February 04, 2013, 06:25:59 PM
Murph,

I live right on the beach in CDO City. I would "NOT" recommend barbed wire.
I had it on top of my seawall and it rotted away in less than 6 months. Just
fell apart at the touch of my hand.

I used, for my fencing around the house, coco lumber. 3x2 posts every 8 feet.
 3 of 2x2 rails for each panel, and bamboo for the infill. These generally lasted me
2-3 years. I am, this year doing it in blocks.

One suggestion, that I was thinking of doing, was making cement posts in form-work
using 4 or 6" plastic pipe cut in half lengthwise, then band the 2 halves back together
using wire etc.
Put thick aluminium strips thru the plastic pipe, prior to pouring in the concrete, to
bolt/screw the rails of the fence to. Pour the concrete in, let set, then seperate the
2 halves. This way your posts last a long time and you just need to replace rails and
bamboo infill.

Graham

Graham, your barbed wire corroded because of the salt sea air, our wire is nearly five years old and still sound. The bamboo infill only lasts around three years.

I like the idea of your plastic pipe for a post form. I was thinking of making a larger split form from plywood lined with metal sheet and bolted together. I wonder if I could use two lengths of square downpipe cut diagonally and used for the corners of a mold?
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: wildbill on February 04, 2013, 08:57:50 PM
where do you buy your Barbed wire mine is thick very thick the wire here at the back next to the Beach is 18 years old and rusty a little bit but not even close to rotten.dont buy junk thin as papper and it wont rot so fast.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Palawan Aussie on February 05, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Hi guys,

Interesting and sensible questions Murphy, and one can well understand your thinking regarding your new block of land.

You've chosen a nice place to own your land and to build. Heading south from Puerto Princesa City, along the good national highway, Aborlan and then Narra are certainly nice areas. Narra is not a 'crowded' area, being an almost completely farming area. Obviously the soil is good, and from our experience Narra people are gentle, honest, very friendly and certainly sincere. In other words, your normal Phils provincial/farming folk. By that I mean, gentle, god-fearing & family loving. Normal people.

As Colin says, I'm sure you will enjoy living there. I'd also listen to things Colin says about Palawan etc building matters. He knows what he's talking about. In terms of your first steps, a fence is a good idea. If it was me, i would contact someone in PPC such as http://sulit.com.ph/6817995 (http://sulit.com.ph/6817995) for your concrete building posts and materials. They can also arrange for workers, and I would not pay more than say 200/300 peso a day for each worker (around $6) and 400p for your foreman.
Ideally, you really should be there to supervise matters, (eg hole depths etc) and to supply 'snacks' to ensure best results. Note: We have NO business connection with this company what-so-ever, and simply suggest them from our own experience and, as always, your milage may vary. 

We would also suggest you have a surveyor double check your land boundaries (8-10k peso?) and also check that your Land Title IS actually officially registered and accurate, just to be sure and before you build anything at all on your land, even just the fence. Also, just one more thing, if you decide on bamboo between your posts, and that's just fine for 3-5 years while you get organized, then I'd definitely go for Cuyo Island bamboo. It's harder and stronger (and so better) than the local varieties.

I must say, if you want to build you own fence, the split plastic-pipe former sounds an excellent idea. Thank you, gentlemen.

Cheers,
Stephen

Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 06, 2013, 07:23:13 AM
Hi Stephen

Thanks for the info!!
Where in Palawan are you located?......did Narra get any damage from the typhoon?

We had the lot looked at again by a survey crew....we visited and took a look.

Question about seawalls.
Ive read you can only build 20 meters back from the water...
Well our beach or the sand is about 10 meters...then a small embankment up to our lot.

Do we need to leave 10 meters of our yard open to the public?......10 beach...10 grass.=20 meters.
I kind of thought a fence could run up to the sand or embankment at least.

Thanks
Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: BingColin on February 06, 2013, 08:52:54 AM

Question about seawalls.
Ive read you can only build 20 meters back from the water...
Well our beach or the sand is about 10 meters...then a small embankment up to our lot.

Do we need to leave 10 meters of our yard open to the public?......10 beach...10 grass.=20 meters.
I kind of thought a fence could run up to the sand or embankment at least.

Thanks
Murph

The question of sea wall setback has been discussed before. I seem to remember that the 20M applied to city areas and it was 10M for the provinces. I could be wrong so you need to check, I would suggest the planning department for your area.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: BingColin on February 06, 2013, 09:57:19 AM

I'd also listen to things Colin says about Palawan etc building matters. He knows what he's talking about.

I have posted my experiences in building including all the mistakes we made in the hope that others will not repeat them. I make no claim to be any sort of expert. The building industry here is full of Ďexpertsí who are strapped for cash and have done nothing more than help a mate with a small building project. There are good builders around but you have to get recommendations and see their previous work.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: fred on February 06, 2013, 04:02:05 PM
20 meters salvage zone is from high tide mark. You need a fencing permit which involves an engineers plan that has been OK`d by your local Municipal.. We always use the Municipal engineer for faster processing.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Palawan Aussie on February 06, 2013, 05:40:32 PM
G'day Murph,

Hi Stephen, Thanks for the info!! Where in Palawan are you located?......did Narra get any damage from the typhoon?  Thanks  Murph

Ahh, no worries mate. Though, same as Colin has said, we are certainly not building experts. My wife and I are living in Puerto Princesa City, with relatives, at their apartment block. We are about to build a house (design yet to be decided) not far from here. Right now I'm in Australia, but will be back this month. So, I don't know about Narra and any typhoon damage. But, one must say, typhoon damage is very rare on Palawan, it's well away from the Phils typhoon alley. Anyway do keep in touch Murph, we should meet up sometime maybe. We appear to have a common interest in terms of solid but non-spendy and maybe non-conventional housing design and construction. Of course there's nothing at all wrong with hollow-block and formed walls etc, but, we sort of may like something a little different maybe. Who knows? Palawan being earthquake and typhoon free, and a tropical climate, opens up a whole new world of non-traditional, although permanent, housing possibilities. We might explore some. And from your posts in other threads, it appears you're thinking the same? Whatever. Anyone else reading this please feel very welcome to point to alternate housing design, in appropriate site threads now or previously. :-)

Cheers,
Stephen
 
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 06, 2013, 11:27:46 PM
Hey

We are actually looking at bamboo for a house build, Im including two links as a general Idea.
Im not sure how well local builders could duplicate though. Heres what we have in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=bPYiJfnspzk&feature=endscreen


http://www.bambooliving.com/



Before our next visit....Ill have to contact a few of you....perhaps meet up....depending on your location.
We stayed at the Hotel Centro last visit.....not next time though....maybe more native...less spendy.
I really liked the "Ka Liu" restaraunt...spelling?....I heard many different accents at the bar.

Stephen....keep us posted on your build....Im interested.

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Gray Wolf on February 07, 2013, 12:00:18 AM
A friend of mine built a bamboo house on southern Negroes Occidental.  I have permission to share the photos as long as I keep his identity and location private, so don't ask.   ;)   All images are clickable thumbnails

He built a concrete center support with the area under the house the "receiving area".  Inside the concrete support walls are the washing machine and other utility connections, as well as interior stairway to the living level:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_Receivingarea60508.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=Receivingarea60508.jpg)


He then constructed a coco lumber, hardwood and bamboo house on top:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_EntrancegateBully60508025.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=EntrancegateBully60508025.jpg)


Inside the house he has a modern, tiled CR:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_showerglasswallcommode.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=showerglasswallcommode.jpg)

The rest is breathable bamboo walls and floors, even furniture!  He says he's not yet had problems with either wind or rain, much less termites.  He used treated bamboo, then covered it all under several coats of clear finish.

Coffee bar and kitchen:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_CoffeeBarkitchen-Closeup.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=CoffeeBarkitchen-Closeup.jpg)

No need for aircon, the walls breathe!

View from kitchen to living room:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_FromkitchentoLivingRoom.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=FromkitchentoLivingRoom.jpg)

The lot is fully fenced and with the house raised off the ground, there's plenty of room for the vehicle as well as a place for the dogs to get out of the rain and sun and have free roam to guard the property.  Total cost was around $30,000 because he insisted on the best quality materials, fixtures and appliances available.

I could live like this!   :)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_NewPropertyPhotos60508021.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=NewPropertyPhotos60508021.jpg)
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 07, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
Hey Greywolf

You posted these pics for me in another post...."Building with wood" I think it was.
Thanks for the info.....it is what is driving our ideas. We have a lot of old coco trees....not producing much....thought about harvesting some for building....but not sure drying time would ruin that idea.
I know we need permits to cut and replant.
I think we have to get past the fence first....even if we arent there yet....a lot of unexpected obsticals in my mind....20 meters from shore....permits...right of ways...materials...so on.

Here in MN.....I just told the neighbor Im putting up a fence.....then he says cool and volunteers to help.....done in one weekend. Im hoping...one step at a time will get us to eventually living there.....plus help from my wifes aunt....she did all the leg work when we purchased the land....plus she has helped construct a school before....details I mean. She knows a lot of Like minded religious folks there....a tight group...nice people.
I just turned 50....so the race is on.

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on February 07, 2013, 12:33:46 AM
Looks like a good country style living! We prefer the modern suburban lifestyle without the farm animals and where everything is centrally located! It's all about each to their own preferences in life.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 07, 2013, 01:18:15 AM
I guess its country living......but is also like a paradise.....with the beach and all.
Here a video of the place...our lot is near the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay44U8EnT6M&feature=player_embedded

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: fred on February 07, 2013, 06:39:26 AM
Murphy.. There is something very important that you need to know about bamboo. As soon as its cut,it needs to be prepared and fast.
This native material will last for many years once it is seasoned correctly but its not as easy as you may think!
Once cut and skin removed it is immediately attacked by BOK BOK which is a flying termite that can bore up to an 1/8the hole right through to the center over night. Once in it lays eggs which hatch and feed off and eat the bamboo... If you leave an untreated off cut nearby you can often observe them flying around it around 4.00/ 5 PM.
An infected 20 foot length of Bamboo can be consumed in around 4 months.. Bok bok`s favourite meal is fresh unseasoned bamboo and mahogany.
Treatment.
Once delivered cut and skin is stripped,put it in the sea! Let it soak there for at least 2 weeks.  Once dried it needs to be treated with Brown woodsaver.. They have a clear woodsaver which is ineffective from experience.
If you want a light colour finish then just use clean or  used motor oil as this is something bok bok cannot cope with..when dry apply second coat of oil.
Just make sure the holes at either end have had an oil or woodsaver coating.
Then its safe to start working with.. After the oil or brown woodsaver has completely dried then its ready for varnish..
Also be sure that concrete foundations completely cover timber so that it has no connection with the soil or your biggest problem will be Anay. (underground termites)

Please, learn from my mistakes as I learned the hard way!!
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 07, 2013, 07:30:47 AM
Hey Fred

I thought your large nippa home was trouble free?
Did you have issues with that build?......termites?

Im hoping the builder we hire is a veteran bamboo guy. ....but Now I know what to watch for...and ask about....thanks!

Was hoping to see some indoor pics of your big nippa.

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Big Jim on February 07, 2013, 09:07:58 AM
I have ideas for an airconless house.
 
This is very much it except for these additions
- Trees all around
- verandah all around, not just at the front.
- It is not obvious what orientation the house is on. But I would have the sides of the house facing east west. So there is no direct light into the house in the morning and evening.
 
A friend of mine built a bamboo house on southern Negroes Occidental.  I have permission to share the photos as long as I keep his identity and location private, so don't ask.   ;)   All images are clickable thumbnails

He built a concrete center support with the area under the house the "receiving area".  Inside the concrete support walls are the washing machine and other utility connections, as well as interior stairway to the living level:
([url]http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_Receivingarea60508.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=Receivingarea60508.jpg[/url])


He then constructed a coco lumber, hardwood and bamboo house on top:
([url]http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_EntrancegateBully60508025.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=EntrancegateBully60508025.jpg[/url])


Inside the house he has a modern, tiled CR:
([url]http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_showerglasswallcommode.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=showerglasswallcommode.jpg[/url])

The rest is breathable bamboo walls and floors, even furniture!  He says he's not yet had problems with either wind or rain, much less termites.  He used treated bamboo, then covered it all under several coats of clear finish.

Coffee bar and kitchen:
([url]http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_CoffeeBarkitchen-Closeup.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=CoffeeBarkitchen-Closeup.jpg[/url])

No need for aircon, the walls breathe!

View from kitchen to living room:
([url]http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_FromkitchentoLivingRoom.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=FromkitchentoLivingRoom.jpg[/url])

The lot is fully fenced and with the house raised off the ground, there's plenty of room for the vehicle as well as a place for the dogs to get out of the rain and sun and have free roam to guard the property.  Total cost was around $30,000 because he insisted on the best quality materials, fixtures and appliances available.

I could live like this!   :)
([url]http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_NewPropertyPhotos60508021.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/?action=view&current=NewPropertyPhotos60508021.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Big Jim on February 07, 2013, 09:14:39 AM

Question about seawalls.
Ive read you can only build 20 meters back from the water...
Well our beach or the sand is about 10 meters...then a small embankment up to our lot.

Do we need to leave 10 meters of our yard open to the public?......10 beach...10 grass.=20 meters.
I kind of thought a fence could run up to the sand or embankment at least.

Thanks
Murph

The question of sea wall setback has been discussed before. I seem to remember that the 20M applied to city areas and it was 10M for the provinces. I could be wrong so you need to check, I would suggest the planning department for your area.
On Malapascua, the government set a 40 metre zone and pulled down every resort that was within 40 metres.
 
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: fred on February 07, 2013, 01:53:02 PM
By and large it all went fine until I noticed white powder on my mahogany floor..
Fortunately it was in a few pcs of bamboo that the guys had`nt treated right.. All of our roof trusses are strapped together with 200 grade fishing nylon (A bit like how outriggers are strapped to fishing boats here) So it was easy to untie and replace..
The inside of the house is not native looking as the walls are clad with cement board and painted except for the living room..I`ll post pictures of that once its finished.


Hey Fred

I thought your large nippa home was trouble free?
Did you have issues with that build?......termites?

Im hoping the builder we hire is a veteran bamboo guy. ....but Now I know what to watch for...and ask about....thanks!

Was hoping to see some indoor pics of your big nippa.

Murph
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: graham on February 12, 2013, 12:57:30 PM
Hey Graham

That sounds like it might work.....We probably will go for cement posts also.

Did you have to build your sea wall 20 meters back from the water?
Our beach is only about 10 meters then up an embankment to our land.
Ive read the rule is 20 meters back.

Thanks
Murph

Murph,

Sorry for the delay, I've been sick with the flu. There was a vacant lot in front of mine,
so the seawall was there before I purchased. The ocean took back the land and now
when it's high tide the water level is close to 60% up the wall. At low tide it is about
10M from the wall. I have doubled the thickness, and height of the wall, and as well, I put in a "re-curve" at the top of the wall, so that the high tide waves are thrown back on themselves. Helps to tame them every so often. You should feel the house "judder" slightly when the big ones roll into the wall.

During "Ondoy" in 2007 half the wall length was destroyed and I nearly lost the house.
That was just 3 days after I purchased it. Hence the renovation of the wall. From the wall to the house was a huge swimming pool, which the local kids enjoyed immensely. We had waves going into the house thru the broken windows. The house was empty of furnishings at the time. Made for exciting times. Now we look back nostalgically over photo's and remember the tense times.

As far as bamboo goes, I had Bok Bok in it and about 6 months after putting up, all were gone. No treatment. I put it down to being close to the beach and salt water.

Steven,

I purchased the thickest wire I could find here in CDO. Not a lot of choice here mate.

Graham 



Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Palawan Aussie on February 14, 2013, 06:32:16 PM
Im hoping the builder we hire is a veteran bamboo guy. ....but Now I know what to watch for...and ask about....thanks! Murph

If you decide on concrete posts and bamboo for your fences, I would suggest you check your local Narra by-laws. Just along the highway from you in Puerto Princesa City they've recently banned bamboo use for fencing. The reason for this being that the wired together verticle shafts of bamboo comprising the fence will each collect fresh rainwater, just enough to each form an ideal mozzie breeding place. These takes ages to dry. As malaria has been known in the area (although it's unusual) the local government is trying to eradicate such mozzie breeding spots. Just a heads-up that may apply to the Narra area.

Cheers,
Stephen
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Post by: Murphy on February 19, 2013, 11:43:23 PM
Thanks for the info guys.
Its funny....every time I think I have an option..Bamboo fence....something pops up. I keep telling the wife, building there is like a riddle....not even close to "cut and dry".

Cement and barbed wire will work...if we can be sure it doesnt interfere with regulations on the waterfront :D

I keep telling my wife about termites....she just brushes it off like I worry too much. She says they dont bother hardwood...which we plan on using on the house. Wow...now Im in my other post....about wood homes.

Well, we now have a contact and resource for our building...be it a fence or house. My wife has a cousin who is a building engineer....and does real nice work.....one step closer.

Murph
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Post by: wildbill on February 20, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Think again -Don't you Believe Termite wont eat Hard woods rite now I'm replacing all my ceilings  because of Termites damage and my house is only 1 year old  wood is wood to Termites unless its really treated good but my wood was treated and now they are having a party.I'm replacing my ceiling with c-tubeing and Hardiflex Boards let em Bit that.
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Post by: John Edwards on February 21, 2013, 12:40:07 AM
There used to be a company here in the US that made ceiling panels called Siletex. It is very light and it's soft. Not sure what that stuff was made from so I donít know it the bugs will eat it or not. I was wondering about using that on the ceilings there, if it is available.
I have been in those nicer houses there and with their tile floors, sheetrock or cement walls and ceilings they were very loud. Any noise reverberated all through the house. These ceiling panels with all their perforated holes works as a sound deadener and would go along way in quieting things down. 
I am aware that carpet is not really a good option there so floor rugs will be the way to go. Iím also not above going all redneck or arab and hanging the rugs on the walls too. I know having it totally quiet is a fantasy but I can try. I canít do much about what goes on outside but inside I can do my best.
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Post by: BingColin on February 21, 2013, 07:06:58 AM
Think again -Don't you Believe Termite wont eat Hard woods

We had termites eat books in a Ipil bookcase but did not touch the case. We also have a family house where termites destroyed all the wood walling but did not touch the Gemalina ceiling joists. I have seen hardwoods in 50+ year old wooden houses that have not been touched while the rest of the building gets slowly chewed away. On Palawan we have a particularly hungry strain of termites.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 21, 2013, 10:54:10 AM
Think again -Don't you Believe Termite wont eat Hard woods

We had termites eat books in a Ipil bookcase but did not touch the case. We also have a family house where termites destroyed all the wood walling but did not touch the Gemalina ceiling joists. I have seen hardwoods in 50+ year old wooden houses that have not been touched while the rest of the building gets slowly chewed away. On Palawan we have a particularly hungry strain of termites.

Hi Colin

What are you saying then....with the 50+ comment?........depends on the wood....or location?
What about coco wood?...I know it has to be aged.
This termite topic seems to be coming up a lot here at home....I say beware termites...she says what type of wood....not hard wood.....I say I dont know?
Another riddle I guess.
But I do lean towards your guys experience....shhh...dont let my wife know.

Murph
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Post by: Murphy on February 21, 2013, 11:19:43 AM
Our beach front.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 21, 2013, 11:32:40 AM
Our property that we want fenced......goes back about 3 acres.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on February 21, 2013, 03:24:25 PM
Our property that we want fenced......goes back about 3 acres.
3 acres? Why ever for unless there's profit to be made utilizing the land and as long as the property tax doesn't eat it all up first! A neighbor/friend of mine inherited some land a few years ago and the property tax is around P800,000 a year and probably has some unpaid back taxes owing still from previous years! Now he's trying to figure out what to do with the land, but his other family and relatives are still living on the property and won't budge and not paying a dime towards the property tax! He has spent money fencing the entire property, but squatters still gets in and steals the fruits off his trees! He has thousands of mango trees, but he can't afford the money for a care taker to manage them and so the trees won't bare any mangoes, but only a few not worth harvesting for profit!       
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Post by: wildbill on February 21, 2013, 07:56:14 PM
Our property that we want fenced......goes back about 3 acres.
very nice place Murphy
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: BingColin on February 21, 2013, 08:06:52 PM
Think again -Don't you Believe Termite wont eat Hard woods

We had termites eat books in a Ipil bookcase but did not touch the case. We also have a family house where termites destroyed all the wood walling but did not touch the Gemalina ceiling joists. I have seen hardwoods in 50+ year old wooden houses that have not been touched while the rest of the building gets slowly chewed away. On Palawan we have a particularly hungry strain of termites.

Hi Colin

What are you saying then....with the 50+ comment?........depends on the wood....or location?
What about coco wood?...I know it has to be aged.


Murph

It was definitely the wood, it was as hard as concrete, no termite would risk it's teeth on it :)

I have seen coco lumber described as termite food which explains why they are often found nesting in the roots. However, like most wood, it does depend which part of the trunk it comes from. I made some shelf supports with it, but never again, it is a very difficult wood to work.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: wildbill on February 21, 2013, 08:10:31 PM
I think Ive seen that wood my wife wants some for the porch as tables but it costs alot.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: Murphy on February 21, 2013, 10:23:19 PM
The property is a long strip....about 39 meters wide. If we used the border trees for a fence...we would lose some property...they are not on the property line......but a good Idea anyways.

Our taxes currently for our land is 6 dollars a year........I pay 1000 a year in the U.S.
Its not agricultural property....so its cheaper.

It seems I could open a topic on termites alone...I almost did with the post "Building a House with Wood"
Maybe when I get educated on the woods that are termite resistant...Ill make a list of them....good and bad.

PS...Its good the photo attachment program works now...can add pics right from my PC...no photobucket.

Murph
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Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on February 21, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
6 dollars a year here in the RP? That's unheard of! $1,000 a year in the U.S., not unheard of, but still not too bad either! 
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Post by: Gray Wolf on February 22, 2013, 07:40:49 AM
That's a nice piece of property Murphy.  I look forward to seeing it down the road a few years from now.   :)
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Post by: Murphy on February 22, 2013, 08:01:41 AM
Thanks guys....were happy with the purchase.
The second picture doesnt show it very well.....but there are power lines going across....already has power available.
We could almost sell the back part of our property.....will be a long driveway ;)

Pic of current driveway.
Title: Re: Fences.....best options to start with
Post by: wildbill on March 12, 2014, 08:34:09 PM
yes ,very nice indeed