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Title: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on January 06, 2014, 10:06:26 PM
Commissioner Siegfred B. Mison issued Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013 which provides for the Guidelines for Republic Act (RA) 7919/8247 Re-Stamping, Amendments, Certifications, Issuance and Re-Issuance.

Go to this link for more details: http://tinyurl.com/lnsh3m2 (http://tinyurl.com/lnsh3m2)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: BingColin on January 07, 2014, 01:53:01 PM
I don't understand this, what does it apply to and how does it affect us? In simple language please ;)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on January 07, 2014, 06:13:32 PM
I don't understand this, what does it apply to and how does it affect us? In simple language please ;)
I'm just the messenger so don't shoot me, but do read the details of Republic Act (RA) 7919/8247 which this Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013 was meant for, if you can understand it! Immigration stuff is never all to simple to decipher! If anyone can not understand what is written, someone else may and or if it doesn't apply to you, just ignore the dang thing!

Republic Act RA 8247
http://tinyurl.com/lc77olo (http://tinyurl.com/lc77olo)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: iamjames on January 07, 2014, 06:21:41 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 11, 2014, 01:21:47 AM
If I understand this correctly, RA 7919 was an act legalizing foreigners who were in country illegally.  The new RA 8247 appears to be some form of recertification for those once illegal aliens.  Of course, I may be wrong, in which case you can be as confused as I am. 

I can think of no one on this forum who needs to be concerned with this new certification.
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: richardsinger on January 20, 2014, 12:17:22 AM
I don't understand this, what does it apply to and how does it affect us? In simple language please ;)
I'm just the messenger so don't shoot me, but do read the details of Republic Act (RA) 7919/8247 which this Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013 was meant for, if you can understand it! Immigration stuff is never all to simple to decipher! If anyone can not understand what is written, someone else may and or if it doesn't apply to you, just ignore the dang thing!

Republic Act RA 8247
[url]http://tinyurl.com/lc77olo[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/lc77olo[/url])


Art, if you don't know what it's about, why post it? I don't get what you are trying to do here, sorry.

Richard
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on January 20, 2014, 12:48:59 AM
I don't understand this, what does it apply to and how does it affect us? In simple language please ;)
I'm just the messenger so don't shoot me, but do read the details of Republic Act (RA) 7919/8247 which this Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013 was meant for, if you can understand it! Immigration stuff is never all to simple to decipher! If anyone can not understand what is written, someone else may and or if it doesn't apply to you, just ignore the dang thing!

Republic Act RA 8247
[url]http://tinyurl.com/lc77olo[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/lc77olo[/url])


Art, if you don't know what it's about, why post it? I don't get what you are trying to do here, sorry.

Richard
Richard,
That's an unfair let alone a very non polite remark coming from you which shocked the chit out me just because you didn't understand what was posted on here! Well for your info, the Bureau of Immigration felt it was important enough to post it on their website!
What if it pertained to someone on here and understood what it meant in his/her particular situation! Wouldn't he or she be appreciative of the information presented on here if it helped them? As I mentioned, don't shoot the messenger if you or anyone on here didn't understand it and to just ignore the post if it didn't apply to you or anyone else and go on to other topics of interest instead of whining about it as you have done here Richard! I've already explained my good intentions and purpose on here, but If you had a constructive criticism I would have bought it, but you didn't IMHO! Maybe you just wanted to be argumentative for argument's sake and just enjoy confrontations just to belittle members on here, I don't know if that be the case, but it sure seems like it to me by you confronting me on this issue! Whatever got your panties in a bunch? Maybe you just got out on the wrong side of the bed and or didn't have your morning coffee!   
So, just get off your high horse once in a while and smell the roses!
It's just best not to bring this issue up again on here, because it would just be a total embarrassment for all, especially for you since you made that senseless remark!
Just leave things well enough alone and there won't be a pissing contest on here!     
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: wildbill on January 20, 2014, 08:37:49 AM
Thanks Art for the posts...
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on January 20, 2014, 08:53:21 AM
Thanks Bill! You're a true gentleman literally, a kind and gentle person who I consider a friend on here, instead of one who's rude/crude and antagonistic towards members on here who are just wanting to share, help and inform members on here to make their lives a little easier living here in the Philippines, which isn't easy for some!   
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: iamjames on January 20, 2014, 09:07:57 AM
The gist of it all is just explaining how anyone who is illegally here since before 1992 can apply for normalisation on payment of 50,000 per year of overstay!. Maybe it's just aimed at the Japanese who are still holding on?   ;D
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on January 20, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Thanks James for your input! You seem to have grasped what the Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 meant!
Yeah, it could of made a difference for that Hiroo Onoda fella if he would of just gotten his head out of his behind and got out of the jungle!  ??? :o ;)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: wildbill on January 22, 2014, 11:19:49 PM
Thanks Bill! You're a true gentleman literally, a kind and gentle person who I consider a friend on here, instead of one who's rude/crude and antagonistic towards members on here who are just wanting to share, help and inform members on here to make their lives a little easier living here in the Philippines, which isn't easy for some!
Art,im not kissing but./I will say with-out your input and help in this Forum.It  would be a big loss.to us all.In the time I have Been here. you have really been a good contributor....here....Sorry Gw ..no stink on my nose.truth.
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 23, 2014, 07:20:21 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Vicks on January 26, 2014, 04:22:13 PM
Whenever someone figures out the BOI, please let us all know.  :P

Whenever I have dealt with them, I come away with a headache.  :D

Thanks for all the posts.

PS. I am not a fan of vulgarity and/or profanity. We would do better to stick with communicative English. Peace.

Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: iamjames on January 26, 2014, 07:54:13 PM
PS. I am not a fan of vulgarity and/or profanity. We would do better to stick with communicative English. Peace.

What an incredibly supercilious comment. I am not aware of any superfluous usage of such speech forms on this forum, rendering such an observation both arrogant and redundant.
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: wildbill on January 26, 2014, 09:16:29 PM
 :o Me too.good point ...
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on January 26, 2014, 10:02:40 PM
OMG! Did the word "chit" or "Holy Chit" offend anyone on here? I and others have read or posted worst spelling of other bad 4 letter words or phrases similar to it and some don't even abbreviate their slightly bad words to express nonchalantly like WTF (meaning Wednesday, Thursday & Friday) yeah right (in your windows), but which "chit" as being one of them! If it offended a moderator/administrator on here, it would have been deleted or blurped out with $%^&* or the forum format auto checker will not allow it to be posted on here even if pun/humor was intended! Anyways, it's JMHO! ??? :o ;)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: iamjames on January 27, 2014, 01:05:38 AM
Nothing wrong with a bit of CHIT chat.
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 27, 2014, 01:16:00 AM

PS. I am not a fan of vulgarity and/or profanity. We would do better to stick with communicative English. Peace.


 ???  ???  ???  ???  ???  ???  What did I miss?   ???  ???  ???  ???
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: wildbill on January 27, 2014, 07:29:57 AM
 :D chit on your Nose is Bad they say.. 8)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Vicks on March 10, 2014, 08:12:44 PM
Whether it is in the form of implication or abbreviation or jest...the intention is still the same.

It is a veiled attempt to use profane or vulgar language.

To think otherwise is simply avoiding the truth.  ;)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: iamjames on March 10, 2014, 10:10:36 PM

profane

prəˈfān,prō-/
adjective
   1.relating or devoted to that which is not sacred or biblical; secular rather than religious.
"a talk that tackled topics both sacred and profane"

   2. (of a person or their behavior) not respectful of orthodox religious practice; irreverent.
"desecration of the temple by profane adolescents"
   
   
verb
       1.    treat (something sacred) with irreverence or disrespect.
"it was a serious matter to profane a tomb"


vulgar

ˈvəlgər/
adjective
1.    lacking sophistication or good taste; unrefined.
"the vulgar trappings of wealth"


Now tell me Vicky dearest: Can you give one example of someone on this board showing disrespect for sacred symbols/artifacts/religious beliefs/institutions?

As to vulgarity: This is a value laden terminology where boundaries are set by the society in which one finds themselves. If we were residing in Victorian England you would find strict criteria defining very narrow boundaries there - however - we are not. What words have been used on the forum which could not be used by a Bishop in the Philippines?

Have you met Professor Frankfurt? No? Well, let me introduce him. Professor Harry Frankfurt was born in 1929, graduated from Johns Hopkins University and taught moral philosophy at Yale, with a sideline in 17th Century rationalism. He later taught at Princeton University, where he's now, at the age of 84, Professor Emeritus of Philosophy.

Among Prof Frankfurt’s works is a slim volume published in 2005 by Princeton University Press, titled On Bs. It's a philosophical examination of the preponderance in modern life of that form of bluster termed bs.

One of the first terms one learns in Philosophy studies is 'Sophistry' which predated Socratic discourse or Aristotelian Logic. The Sophist presents information and argument in a manner to confuse and confound the opposition. Accuracy and truth are unimportant - simply 'winning the argument' is what is important. Many do not understand the term 'Sophistry' in this age so we use a term all understand clearly: BS.
The essence of good  communication is brevity and clarity. Even Einstein said ‘If you cannot express it simply then you probably do not understand it’. Using that simple criteria which would be the better communication?
The ‘nice’  Victorian way  - ‘Oh dear you are engaging in Sophistry now and I must question the veracity of your statements’
Or
the simpler and generally accepted – ‘BS’
QED
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: RUFUS on March 11, 2014, 02:21:47 PM
When the language starts to shift out of the gray and into the black, I will intervene.
Please, let's keep it on topic, and keep it clean...
Or I'll remove the thread  8)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: medic3500 on March 11, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
Agreed Rufus.
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: wildbill on March 11, 2014, 09:43:27 PM
SO SAYETH THE RUFUS :o
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 12, 2014, 06:40:41 AM
I second that motion!  Thank you brother Rufus!  Some times I get too busy to watch all the children in the playpen.   ;D
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: tom.inbigdtexas on March 12, 2014, 11:55:52 AM
I second that motion!  Thank you brother Rufus!  Some times I get too busy to watch all the children in the playpen.   ;D

Dang... Heck... Shoot... Fiddlesticks, Gray Wolf!!!  I wander away from the forum for a while, come back, and find that you have allowed posters of unseemly language to run amuck amongst we of delicate sensibilities.

Take heart, I will place emergency collect calls to you during the wee hours of the morning if I see any more of this ribald activity that may escape your notice.

Sleep tight.  ;D
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: iamjames on March 12, 2014, 11:56:43 AM
My momma always told me to listen to the teacher so if the Professor Emeritus of philosophy of Princeton says it then I must accept!!
  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: tom.inbigdtexas on March 12, 2014, 12:29:30 PM
The gist of it all is just explaining how anyone who is illegally here since before 1992 can apply for normalisation on payment of 50,000 per year of overstay!. Maybe it's just aimed at the Japanese who are still holding on?   ;D

I second iamjames deciphering of the indecipherable.

BTW Art... I'm wondering why this provision for scofflaws caught your attention? Is there something you need to share with us?  If so, for about US$10,000 this is your chance to get it straightened out before BI puts you and Lit'l Red in a huge "return to sender" balikbayan box addressed to California.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D Only teasing you, Art. Keep up the informative posts and don't take any.... [non-profane substance of your choice] from anyone.

Your Friend, Tom.
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 12, 2014, 01:07:49 PM
Hi Tom,

Good to see you again on here also in person from our last week's meet up in Cebu with my Brother Lee and still being your jovial self as usual!
I keep telling members on here and on a few other forums that, "don't shoot the messenger" and whenever I do deliver a message concerning immigration matters or whatever, it's all about "each to their own" to decipher the message and they can "nit pick" at it all they want and not the messenger personally!
The $10,000 and my "Little Red" will stay just where they are until I find a better option, if I ever get tired living in the Philippines!
BTW Folks, my wife and I took a short 5 day vacation in Cebu last week and met up with Lee, Tom in Texas and Don aka Salty Dog and had a good time even though it was a brief meeting up with Tom and his lovely wife! Hope we can do it up right next year!
Tex Rex is on my "bucket list" when we go back to Cebu, unless Lee or Don says otherwise about Tex Rex's BBQ! The dinner buffets at the Raddison Blu Hotel was getting old due to the same old dinner menu and not a lot of meat on their menu to sink my teeth into, but their assorted deserts were great! 

Your new found buddy always or
the 3rd musketeer minus the 4th  :o ;)
Art       
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: tom.inbigdtexas on March 12, 2014, 07:18:27 PM
Thank you, Art.

You arrived on our next to last day and I was so disappointed that Bing and I could not spend more time with you and Jho. We really enjoyed the time we spent with you, and we will plan a little better next trip.

Being from Texas I also like plenty of meat on my plate.  I have several favorite eating spots and promise not to let you starve. I'll get the tab at the cheap ones, and we will let Lee pick up the tab at the Kano price places.  :D

I hope we can plan a trip through Manila some day, visit your home, and get a fifty-cent tour of your area riding in Little Red.  I would really enjoy that.

We have only been back a week... and I'm ready to go again. I look forward to the day we can split our time 6 mo here, 6 mo there... then we will have time for all the visiting and activities that we would like to do.

Always Your Freind,
Tom  :)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 12, 2014, 10:04:31 PM
I second that motion!  Thank you brother Rufus!  Some times I get too busy to watch all the children in the playpen.   ;D

Dang... Heck... Shoot... Fiddlesticks, Gray Wolf!!!  I wander away from the forum for a while, come back, and find that you have allowed posters of unseemly language to run amuck amongst we of delicate sensibilities.

Take heart, I will place emergency collect calls to you during the wee hours of the morning if I see any more of this ribald activity that may escape your notice.

Sleep tight.  ;D

Yeah, you know me, I'm just a slacker   :o   ;D   :)
Title: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 12, 2014, 10:06:33 PM
Topic: Re: Operations Order No. SBM-2013-027 on 26 November 2013

 ;)