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Getting Prepared For The Philippines => Laws, Regulations, Taxes as Applied to Foreigners => Topic started by: Justica on May 08, 2016, 08:40:03 AM

Title: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Justica on May 08, 2016, 08:40:03 AM
If your government have laws that prohibit you from partaking in certain activities, they obviously have these laws for good reasons.

If a person or persons, hiding behind a company name, from another country, offer a service that allows citizens in your country to
participate in activities where they are committing criminal offences, doesn't that make the persons offering the service guilty of
aiding and abetting in crimes were other people will break the law and commit crimes that can carry a heavy jail sentence?

Shouldn't law enforcement be targeting these people / companies and putting them out of business and make sure they are prosecuted?
The company involved should be held responsible for their part in aiding and abetting these crimes, even if they are not the principal offender.

I'd like to hear your views on this.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Lee2 on May 08, 2016, 09:14:05 AM
IMHO anyone and everyone who breaks the laws of any country deserves to be punished, I suspect there is a point you are trying to get at, lets hear it but be sure to be generic.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bcnorth on May 08, 2016, 11:29:20 AM
I suggest to Justica that he may wish to read “A Dirty Business” by George Packer in the June 27th 2011 New Yorker. Although it doesn’t deal with Filipinos, it does deal with East Indians on Main Street. It explains how the FBI and the Securities and Exchange Commission went after the thieves on Wall Street, U.S. who bought and sold information illegally that ultimately led to the downfall of  major investment house elites in 2008. Of particular interest is the shady line between what is legal and what is illegal and also how companies were set up outside the U.S. to hide what was taking place. There is what almost seems to be a follow-up article entitled “The Showman” by  Jeffery Tobin in the May 9th , 2016 New Yorker . There is an explanation how the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Preet Bharara, throws fear into the financially corrupt on Wall Street. Once again, Filipinos are not involved, but East Indians are much involved.  What is nicely pointed out is that whether Republicans are in power or Democrats are in power the corruption has flourished. That is, what might seem to be corrupt is found not to be a corrupt practice, and even visa versa.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 08, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
The company involved should be held responsible for their part in aiding and abetting these crimes, even if they are not the principal offender.
I'd like to hear your views on this.
Without any specifics, no one on here can comment to your OP.
Since this is your only your 2nd post, we would appreciate you introducing yourself so we know who you are and where you're coming from.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Big Jim on May 08, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
I suggest to Justica that he may wish to read
They may be a he but an "A" on the end indicates to me that the person is a female.


And for Justica, I agree that if there is law that is broken, anyone assisting should be held liable too.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bcnorth on May 08, 2016, 08:10:17 PM
Big Jim,
I defer to you that Justica is a female rather than a male. The questions she asks are similar, if not the same, as the many, many questions that have been asked about the very recent Panama City scandal and the financial firm, Mossack Fonseca, that has hidden literally hundreds of millions of dollars from tax collectors. More to the point, those hiding the money are guilty of offenses, but the firm doing the hiding, Mossack Fonseca, maintains it didn't know the money it was hiding was money that should have been paid in taxes. So far the company has been charged with a criminal offense by no one. As an aside, the Prime Minister of Iceland had to resign because of is dealings with Mossack Fonseca, but the Panamanian company was not charged.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Hestecrefter on May 09, 2016, 01:04:40 AM
Without any specifics, no one on here can comment to your OP.
Since this is your only your 2nd post, we would appreciate you introducing yourself so we know who you are and where you're coming from.

I agree with Art.  Perhaps in the fullness of time it will become clear what this has to do with living in the PI.  The 2 posts to date seem to bear little connection with what this forum is about.

If your government have laws that prohibit you from partaking in certain activities, they obviously have these laws for good reasons.

Justica reposes far more confidence than I in governments.  My experience has been that not all laws are backed by good reason.  An example.  When I was a kid, lotteries and buying lottery tickets was illegal in Canada.  There was a black market trade in Irish Sweepstakes tickets, facilitated by offshore companies in some instances. 

It is difficult to ascribe "good reason" to that law when, within a few years, the Canadian government became a major lottery supporter.  In every province now there are lotteries running non-stop and the government rakes in billions, most of which is spent in ways to does little for the average Canadian. 

Fortunately, when the anti-lottery law was on the books, I do not believe that a lot of Canadian taxpayers' money went into making sure those trafficking in lottery tickets were hunted down and prosecuted which, according to Justica, should have occurred. 
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bcnorth on May 09, 2016, 02:37:44 AM
Hestercrefter, I am not arguing whether governments should or should not uphold its laws. Rather I am merely pointing out that a firm in Panama was identified by hackers breaking into the companies accounting system. It turns out that money obtained illegally was being hidden by the Panamanian company and the question has continually come up whether this third party firm can be charged for hiding the money? Justica posts the question, "If a person or persons, hiding behind a company name, from another country, offer a service that allows citizens in your country to participate in activities where they are committing criminal offences, doesn't that make the persons offering the service guilty of aiding and abetting in crimes? Right now that question is being asked by the citizenry in a number of countries who have discovered that government officials were hiding money. Articles in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fortune and the New Yorker have discussed whether third parties were liable. I admit I have not seen this issue come up in a Philippine paper.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Hestecrefter on May 09, 2016, 02:53:56 AM
bcnorth, I take your point and nothing I wrote was intended to be in response to (or in any disagreement with) your post.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Justica on May 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM
Apologizes for my late reply, I'm working away from home a lot.

I have a couple of subject I'd like to bring to your attention but this issue concerns me the most.
And We'd like to know why nothing is being done to prosecute the culprits, the people providing the facilities ie. websites.

It might not be the right topic for this forum, but this is Laws, Regulations category and I just want to let people know that
there are people out there, in other countries that do actually care about other people's well being, and I don't think it's
right that any young person, especially young girls should have to go into the sex industry because they can't find a good job.
In many cases they might prefer to work in the sex industry than get regular employment, and that's sad, something is wrong.

This is not about pointing the finger or bringing the hammer down on anyone, it's not my job, but someone is not doing their job.
I read international news and have heard some pretty disturbing stories that make me concerned, I think you should be too.

And don't try tell me that sex sells, the only reason sex sells is because people prefer to ignore it and it goes on around us,
Even if it involves exploiting young people, the truth is, there are many adults out there that are happy to take these girls in.

Just because you were born into poverty, doesn't mean that your only choice in life is to have sex with perverts for an income.
I think the law should be going after these websites and putting them out of business completely, but they are doing nothing.
I believe these websites are responsible for 1000's of crimes, not only for aiding and abetting in crimes where young people are
used for sex daily, in countries where it's illegal, these sites are taking in under aged girls daily, for as long as they have existed.

Here's an example of laws that are already in place, and for very good reasons,
Yet the police and government are completely ignoring the true source/s of the problems,
I wonder why, as the evidence is right here on the net and if anybody actually looked, these sites would be prosecuted.
And I mean prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by an intentional jury, the owners deserve to and should be put in jail.

Let me ask you a question, how would you feel if your young daughter ended up on a site where mostly adults
use and disrespect them just to fulfill their sexual perverted needs? what would you do about it if you found out?
No point in telling the police about it, they'll just go after the people that are on cam, not the actual source of the problem.

Cam sex, exploitation of mostly young girls by adults who facilitate these girls, call it grooming or whatever you prefer.
There are many adults across the Philippines that have families of their own, and many of those families have children.
You'd think these people would know better than to exploit young girls for sex, considering the sentence involved if caught.

How is it that so many of these people are taking in young girls, many under age, probably no older than their own children.
I'm talking 14/15/16 year old girls, they are given meals, treated like family, and allowed to perform sex acts in their homes.
This is common across the Philippines in thousands of homes, apartments, maybe your next door neighbor, in many cases the
whole street knows whats going on and many organized groups facilitating these needs, targeting women and young girls.

How sick is that? who do you blame? do you blame the government because the rate of pay is so low nobody wants jobs?

These abusers have no way of verifying these girl's ages when it comes to getting them access to adult sex sites,
Yet these websites are taking in young girls every day and allowing them to have cyber sex with mostly adult males.

We read the news and people are investigating these sites, but nobody does anything to stop them.
These sites are usually hosted on servers outside the Philippines and web site providers usually provide their domains.
So I believe -web site providers have some part in these crimes also and the companies that are providing the servers.

Why are law enforcement not looking into this, the truth is there, why not work together to shut these websites down?

These websites might be run from other countries, but they are helping people in your country to break serious laws.
Aiding and abetting in criminal activities, they are responsible for these crimes, why is is nobody stopping them?

Research has shown that many of these girls families are living in poverty, and the best they can hope for is moving to
the cities where people are more than willing to take them in, with their own families in many cases and allow them to
perform sex acts maybe 15 hours a day 7 days a week, these girls grow up thinking this is normal, they'll never want a job.

The fact is, these websites are online right now, not only is it illegal to perform sex acts on cams in the Philippines
They are certainly guilty of that, but they are also guilty of child abuse crimes, every single cam site online is involved.
If you asked, they would tell you that no under aged girls are allowed, but they're already guilty of aiding and abetting
crimes against humanity, child abuse crimes, and helping people in your country commit crimes that carry a heavy jail sentence.

Should they be allowed to continue? why haven't they been shut down and prosecuted already?
If it was my job I can assure you these websites would be facing some serious charges.

It's not difficult to find the people behind the company names, contact the domain registrar and let them know what's really happening.

The police and international groups need to target these websites and get the evidence that is there and put them behind bars.

Surely if China can ban people from using fruit erotically, your government can prosecute these people for running sex sites
and allowing people to commit crimes that will put them in jail if they are caught, so why haven't they?


(names of companies removed)
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 23, 2016, 07:36:52 AM
Justica,
Don't say nothing is being done.
Here's just one crime fighter against human trafficking
doing his civic duty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_XDG5hBQfw
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 23, 2016, 08:15:36 AM
Another intervention that things are being done to fight
human trafficking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ckQ_a5C_Q
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Justica on May 23, 2016, 01:25:03 PM
Sorry I had to throw it out there, I believe a lot is being done, like picking on the girls that participate in these illegal activities.
I know it's not their fault that they were born into poverty, every city is heavily involved in sex, profiting from sex, bars, clubs etc.
This is because your government allows it, it's on the streets, in family homes, everywhere, like it's a normal, it's far from normal.

What kind of life is that for a young child to grow up in? surrounded by adults just waiting to exploit them, sweet talking them into sex.

sex with an internet full of perverts, in most cases these girs tink these perverts are their friends.
I'm not against sex, but I am against people using women and young girls to profit from sex, it's a crime, it's human trafficking.

It is a sad situation when females especially feel this is the best opportunity they have to make some money.
The world is messed up because of the people in it, the only way to stop these crimes is to put the website owners behind bars.
It shouldn't matter if they are 10,000 miles away, they are the main reason that these crimes are being committed every day.

Then maybe your economy might have some hope of improvement when people realize they actually have to work for a living.
Maybe with the help of government to improve wages and better opportunities for people that do want to work for a living.

We know a lot about your country, very low wages, people are working but it's not easy to get by on such low incomes.

All these websites should be the main targets, but unfortunately they are not or they wouldn't exist.
As long as these websites exist, young girls will find their way into the hands of adults waiting to exploit them.
Think about what I said, the amount of crimes these websites are responsible for, every day of the week.

Without mentioning any names, some of the main domain registrars provide the domain names for these websites.
Shouldn't they be held responsible for their part in aiding and abetting in criminal activities like the websites they allow online.

The facts are out there, they are taking in under age girls every day, even if they say they don't, they are still breaking the law.

Time to shut down the main sources of this problem once and for all.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Lee2 on May 23, 2016, 06:30:46 PM
Justica, we get your point and many of us, especially me, would like to see the criminal side of life put to an end, but the govt of the Philippines themselves seem to allow it with the many girlybars in many areas of the country, so I feel that if they got real with stopping the the take home from those bars, then possibly the rest of the world could get more real about stopping the online activity. Where there is demand, there will always be a product, so stopping the demand will never happen, thus stopping the activity will likely never happen. I do feel that if the Philippines made it where people could get decent salaries and more people could get jobs, then there would be a lot less of it going on, but even in the US where salaries are usually decent, prostitution and online videos are plentiful, it seems to me that it is just human nature for many people to want to watch those types of things, thus there will probably always be people using people to supply the demand.

Another issue I see in the Philippines is the parents putting such high demands on their children to bring home the money, possibly if the culture changed to where parents want to be independent and not pressure their children to send home their salaries, then possibly that too would slow down the illegal activities. Unfortunately stopping crime has become a no win situation, thus stopping that type of crime may never be solved either. Wherever there are those who seek to stay home and be supported by others, rather than by their own hard work, then there will always be the attitude of letting others do whatever it takes to bring home that money.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 23, 2016, 08:39:13 PM
Foreigners are just guests of the Philippines and have no say in how their government runs their country.
I'm sure their new Presdent elect may possibly change things for the better. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: fred on May 24, 2016, 09:02:51 AM
These anti prostitution NGO`s have been coming here for years to try to clear their consciences for 5 minutes and then leave.. They have lots of good advice for these girls but cannot offer them employment alternatives..Then they leave..Conscience clear and their efforts amount to nothing.
I doubt that DU30 will do very much about this issue..Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bigpearl on May 30, 2016, 12:34:39 PM
I found Justica's initial post very disjointed, wasn't until I read the second post that I realised where it was aimed. Fight it as much as you like, you can't stop supply and demand. whether first or third world societies, there are and always will be those persons that want and need this type of release/gratification. Human nature,,,,,,,,,some.
What Justica, to me is talking about is pedophilia. Nasty stuff, I always said to my ex wife that if someone touched/interfered with one of our children I would ____ them. That is our Culture and way of thinking here but I do take note that in many countries on this fine planet of ours that girls as young as 11 or 12 are married off and that is the norm in their culture, be it right or wrong. The child is innocent, the family and culture condone.
Why not look at political and civil corruption, Theft, (same thing) murder, rape, drug traffickers, wife bashers,,,,,,,,,, wait for it,,,,, husband bashers, drunk drivers etc etc.
Back to PI. Lets hope du30 can eradicate all of the above and I hope if he does the rest of the world sits up and takes note, in saying that I do sincerely pray that no innocents get in the way.
Touchy subject.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Justica on June 02, 2016, 03:22:15 AM
The evidence is right there on those cam sites, and nobody is taking any notice, someone's not doing their job.
If someone was doing their job, then the site owners would be in jail for their part in these crimes, full stop.

Every webcam site online is taking in under age girls, mostly through adults,
The adults are using young girls to spread the word, it's a ring of child abuse.
If that's not a crime what is? those sites are a breeding place for paedophiles.

I hope your child never finds themselves in a city where adults will gladly put them to work in the sex industry,
Because that is exactly what's happening in the Philippines, and those sites are the main reason it's taking place.

The fact is, none of these girls can provide identification, but the sites still take them in,
It's already a criminal offence to participate in online cyber sex and carries a jail sentence.

Someone needs to go on these sites and start recording conversations and show the public what's really happening.
In most civilised countries you would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, these sites need to be investigated.

Your kids are growing up thinking that the best opportunity for making money is prostitution online.
Where mostly adult males are paying for sex with under aged girls, this is a serious issue and it's being ignored.

It's child abuse, human trafficking and everything else that involves using young girls for sex.

If the Philippine government doesn't think this is a problem, then maybe it's time for a new government.

There are 1000's of under age girls used for sex online every day and someone needs to do something to put these people out of business.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Lee2 on June 02, 2016, 03:32:27 AM
You can contact Duterte on his facebook page and provide him with any information you may have.
https://www.facebook.com/rodyduterte/ (https://www.facebook.com/rodyduterte/)
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 02, 2016, 04:00:32 AM
Justica,

You just had an election. Like Mr Lee said, contact Duterte for your concerns. What you don't seem to understand is that we can't do anything about this. What do you expect us to do, march on every one of these websites, taking justice, and our lives, in our own hands?
I agree that sex trafficking, especially child sex, is horrible and should be stopped. But what would you have us do? Seriously, what would you propose we do? Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on June 02, 2016, 06:47:23 AM
Justica,
I think I and others on here have already provided enough information and videos concerning your issues with your concerns on human trafficking in the Philippines. The Philippines isn't the only country with human trafficking problems, India and other Asian countries have the same issues too, let alone in Europe dealing with with the same issues and also with radical Islamic terrorism.
The Philippines just had their election recently and I'm sure their new President elect and other elected government officials will do what is necessary concerning human/drug trafficking, other criminal activities and the wide spread of radical Islamic terrorism.   
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: conchydong on June 02, 2016, 08:47:19 AM
Justica, while I feel that most of us on this site, and most humans in general, feel that child prostitution and pornography is a horrible thing, what is the point you are trying to make on this forum? You have only posted on this particular topic. Why don't you tell us a little about yourself so we can understand a bit more about you and why you feel so strongly about this issue.

Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bcnorth on June 02, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
Justica, you write it doesn’t seem governments and NGOs much care about the sexual exploitation of quite young and underage girls. I agree with my forum compatriots that it is a difficult, if not an almost impossible task for governments to do so. Nevertheless, Father Shay Cullen and the PREDA Foundation in Olongapo City works with the local police to locate and ferret out pimps and bar owners who employ underage girls and boys. The PREDA Foundation also is quite aggressive in raising funds to help feed and house young women who have been rescued from bars and whorehouses. The Foundation also gives classes to young men and women with little education so they might become gainfully employed.
I met Father Shay Cullen in San Francisco in late 1992/early 1993 when he asked for help from the San Francisco Police Department and the public in identifying pimps and North American men who travel to the Philippines for a sex holiday with very young girls and boys. The police promised they would work with him.
The New Democratic Party (a wishy-washy Socialist Party) in Alberta, Canada has sent money to both the Philippines and to Thailand to help the governments catch and prosecute Canadians who believe they can abuse youth and amuse themselves in Asia without being caught. The following is from Wikopedia’s “Child Sex Tourism.”
Canada . . .in its Criminal Code . . .allows for the arrest and prosecution of Canadians in Canada for offences committed in foreign countries related to child sex tourism, such as child prostitution. . .child sexual exploitation offences, such as indecent acts, child pornography and incest (Bills C-27 and C-15A . . . Convictions carry a penalty of up to 20 years imprisonment.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bigpearl on June 06, 2016, 06:32:01 PM
I'll most likely get slapped for this but,,,,,,,,, Justica, apart from bleating and ranting on an Expat site where most if not all of the members/readers
live in/want to live in (and I presume this is your country) the Philippines,,,,,, are already partnered "legally"; what are you personally doing to stop the sexual exploitation and abuse of "minors"???? As other members have asked, have you gone to the top? Have you lobbied or are you actively working and badgering the powers that be?
How passionate are you regarding this issue? If you are truly serious and want changes then you need to seek out help, not tirade and point the finger in the wrong direction.
Help is there, there are plenty of NGO's in many countries that deal with this and many other humanitarian issues, if you can't find, ask, if there is nothing that fits the bill, do! I mean do, not whinge and cry.
Set up a trust, not for profit, lobby the right people, seek out volunteers and sponsors, government funding, etc etc.
There will always be those that take advantage of the innocent and weak, remove them and the pickings are slim.
Food, housing, education, then "legal" employment will curtail and hopefully stop abuse of the innocent.
Personally, if I can help, I will, please talk to me/us and let's see if there are any avenues to start the ball rolling on this serious problem.
Facts and figures please.
Cheers, Steve
 
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: Justica on June 07, 2016, 01:58:56 AM
I don't know how I can help without going public, the only information I have is from people that have investigated these sites.
It's all over the internet and in the media, there is enough evidence to take these websites down and prosecute the owners.
But the facts remain, nobody is doing anything about them, they are getting away with multiple child abuse crimes every day.

I have posted this just to make people aware of what is going on, people will read it, I just hope the right people read it.
I know people that have young children and they are poor, they are afraid that as soon as their children realise most
of their friends are having sex with mostly older men on these sites, their kids will most likely follow the same path,

A life of sex abuse.

All I can say is it is a shame that governments don't get together and understand what is going on, take these websites down.

Think of what kind of filth your child would be asked to do if they find themselves in that situation where adults with no morals,
no respect for the child are going to make them perform sex acts that no child should ever have to experience.

That's not a life for a child, if people can't get together to stop it, then the world is just screwed up.
The saddest part is these kids grow up thinking these people are their friends, when all they have done is sexually abuse them.

It's illegal in most countries, so why should it be allowed on the internet when it's obviously child abuse.

I'm just a caring person that found out the truth behind the scenes and it makes me sick to know that people,
adults are doing this all over the Philippines, in every city, targeting mostly under aged girls, and other countries too.

I think the best thing that can happen is to try communicate with these girls and boys, and offer them the opportunity to
leave the Philippines and go to a civilised country where they'll have a better chance of a life where people won't exploit them for sex.
Lets face it folks, not enough people in the top powers care enough to wipe out this dirt, someone behind the scenes will have to take action.

End of story.
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bigpearl on June 07, 2016, 06:14:41 AM
Justica, you keep going over the same ground with no new information, no factual or credible sources, hearsay. firstly you are spending time and effort writing to an expat site with limited exposure, members offered what help they could, asked for more details etc. As you said "End of story".
You also said """I don't know how I can help without going public, the only information I have is from people that have investigated these sites.
It's all over the internet and in the media, there is enough evidence to take these websites down and prosecute the owners.
But the facts remain, nobody is doing anything about them, they are getting away with multiple child abuse crimes every day."""
Then go public, aim for a bigger audience, newspapers, television, radio and as I said earlier lobby politicians but make sure you have facts, figures and credibility.
Remember though that if you manage to "take down" those sites and perpetrators there will be a lot of hungry mouths with no income, that's why I said in my previous post "" There will always be those that take advantage of the innocent and weak, remove them and the pickings are slim.
Food, housing, education, then "legal" employment will curtail and hopefully stop abuse of the innocent"".
There needs to be a program/institution/safety net in place, up and running to help not only the abused children but also their families, remove the poverty, give them hope. A huge task in a developing nation.

Justica, put your energy into making a difference, even if you only help one child, that would be fantastic.

Good luck with your efforts, I hope you can make a difference.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: bigpearl on June 07, 2016, 06:22:57 AM
To the members/readers of this forum.
Thanks for the informative input, Art as always seems to have his finger on the pulse; bcnorth, good info with Father Shay Cullen, maybe he could be a good contact point for Justica.

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Companies outside the Philippines helping Philippine citizens break the law
Post by: D. Williams on June 07, 2016, 06:54:51 AM
This topic is now closed, it has run its course, there is nothing any of the members of this forum can do to improve the conditions, most, no all of the members of this forum would not be involved in any of those abuse situations and we surely do not need any of those sites posted on this forum to give them even more activity.

Topic closed. OP my suggestion is that you contact the new president of the Philippines or follow the other suggestion.