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Title: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: Lee2 on July 16, 2016, 09:58:17 PM
I am sticking with 7, had they not pushed 10 so hard almost forcing people to upgrade, then I might have considered it but when anyone tries to ram something down my throat, I tend to feel it would not be good for me or they would not be trying to force it upon us.

I am happy for those of you who have gone with 10 and not had any problems and I may go with it in the future when I eventually buy a new computer but my current 2 laptops (one for my wife and one for me) and my desktop, will hopefully never see 10 on them.
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Microsoft said Friday it will take longer than initially expected for Windows 10 to reach a billion devices due to the lack of traction in its smartphone business.

The company had set an ambitious goal of having a billion gadgets running on Windows 10 monthly when the latest generation operating software was release nearly a year ago.

The US technology giant said Windows 10 is already powering more than 350 million devices monthly in what it described as “the hottest start in history.”
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Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: BudM on July 16, 2016, 11:32:11 PM
I am leaving 7 alone on both mine and my wife's laptops.  But, since 8 isn't all that hot, she has a desktop at work which the only thing I could find a couple of years ago locally to put on it was 8 so, I am thinking about downloading 10 on it.  She also has a desktop there with XP on it but MS isn't allowing a free 10 for XP.  Too bad.  The XP is Pro and if it was like the others, could download 10 Pro and I could see what that was like.  The one with 8 is only the Basic.  I got 7 Pro on mine but no way and I am going to risk it.  Am not interested in doing an updated image to reload if I don't like it.  Yeah, MS has been pushing too hard.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on July 16, 2016, 11:44:13 PM
Our 2 17"  laptops we bought last year while on vacation in N. Calif had Windows 8.1 preinstalled and now has Windows 10 which was updated automatically when it became available, which I hate and we seldom use our laplaps now, since we use our cellphones most of the time.
I still have my 7 yr old HP desktop and old laptap both with Windows Vista, which. I prefer over Windows 10 any day. Windows 7 I also did not care for either, XP was better, but we no longer have any PC or laptop with XP. Oh well, that's life in the techno world. 
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: FastWalk on July 17, 2016, 03:29:47 AM
My upgrade to 10 went ok.   Haven't had any big problems,  however did have few small ones.  Better then other MS upgrades went for me in the past.  I use Linux/Ubuntu for my primary work station to develop software, completely non windows.

I agree that XP was one of the best software for computers ever.  It took a very long time for most ppl to move away from it.  Most had to be forced in one way or another.

One reason (just a guess) that MS might be pushing V10 is to consolidate to one.  The internal cost of supporting so many versions is crazy.  If it was just one it is so much more efficient (cost effective).

Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: JoeLP on July 17, 2016, 07:03:19 AM
Microsoft really hurt themselves with Windows 8.  That did a lot of damage and now they are not trustworthy in many eyes and that I think is the reason for the trouble now with 10.  I love it and wouldn't trade it for anything.  Love the new Windows Defender.  Probably the safest windows setup yet.  Love the app setup and all that also. 

Yes, I miss the ability to play some of the older games that won't work on windows 10, but I can get over that with the much more smoothly operating system that 10 is. 
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: Travelling Bob on July 17, 2016, 08:00:33 AM
I was going to stay with windows 7, but MS pushed windows 10 on to me. It takes a little getting use to.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: BudM on July 17, 2016, 09:00:05 AM
Some of you guys saying that it was pushed on you or it downloaded automatically, yeah, MS has been pushy but to my knowledge is was not forced on you.  You either had settings allowing it to download automatically or else you hit something and gave it the ok.  In Windows Update screen, they have it listed as "Important" rather than "Optional" or at the most "Recommended". There is also a way to disable the alert which tries to get you to download it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: M.C.A. on July 17, 2016, 02:15:46 PM
I had some worries about Win 10 but found out much later that my Win 7 ultimate was a fake so upgraded to windows 10 last year and it will load and shut down very quickly, nothing like the long wait for 7 ultimate. 

I really don't see any difference other than an improved operating system that also can be linked to my cell phone apps (still learning), windows Vista was hands down the worst operating system but that's what I got when I bought my first laptop it was always a slow start and slow shut down and it seemed to drag the processor down, I'm not a computer/software expert so take my comments with a grain of salt.

Only thing that I needed to do after upgrading to Win 10 was update the Java, flash players, my video card.  It's basically the same only a little different in finding the settings but there's several ways to go about that, both my desk tops have Win 10 now.  Video calls on skype or Facebook are flawless I have the A4tech web cam, even playing games online they work, the tech will claim that most of the free video games he gives you won't work but they do and there's a work around if they don't and Youtube will walk you through that.

Improvement reminds me of what it's like getting a new smart phone, what a difference in connectability and ease of apps and programs, I am not feeling any downsides even my son told me to upgrade our other desk top so I did about 3 months ago, last note I still can download music. movies from Youtube or other spots on the internet.



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Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: ABCDeVil on July 17, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Our 2 17"  laptops we bought last year while on vacation in N. Calif had Windows 8.1 preinstalled and now has Windows 10 which was updated automatically when it became available, which I hate and we seldom use our laplaps now, since we use our cellphones most of the time.

Hi Art,

If you do not like or want Win10 on the 2x 17" laptops, open control panel & uninstall Win10. Yes even though it was automatically updated, its still easily reverted back to your original Win8 / 8.1.

I had an 10yo Dell running Win7 & a crappy Toshiba running Win8.1. First I updated the Toshiba, it worked well enough, but I do not like the fact that most in built (already installed) software required lots & lots of additional downloads to suit Win10. What a complete pain in butt. That's when I started looking about, in Win10 & on forums using my Dell (still with Win7) and finally figured out how to easily revert back to the previous Win version. So simple, no additional loading or downloading software drivers for my anti-virus, Office & many other programs I used. The reversion was simple and painless and all worked as it did before the Win10 take over. Glad to say I off loaded my Toshiba, as the CPU & video were slow and not so great. It went back to my brother, who sold it to me in the first place. All good, for both of us.

My Dell, old faithful, is still running Win7, but my new MSI kick butt machine runs Win10. Only 8 secs to login & only 20 secs to complete shutdown, except when installing updates for Win, the usual thing.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: ABCDeVil on July 17, 2016, 11:27:29 PM
Yes, I miss the ability to play some of the older games that won't work on windows 10, but I can get over that with the much more smoothly operating system that 10 is.

Well JoeLP,

You hit this on the head. Win10 has Xbox built in and does not allow older Win games to play. The main reason is to make Win10 operators, actually PAY for new games & pay for on-line steaming. Its still all about "MONEY" and Win10, for "gamers", is to force them to buy the newer versions and use the internet more. Oh did you know, when you stream on-line, the "Apps" or games allows for MS to scan thru your computer. OH MY GOSH!!! Its part of the small print on an app for Cel & on the box the game comes in. They can trace you wherever. There are ways to use streaming & still block look ups by MS, but this is a lengthy and time & effort all consuming process. But worth it if you want to keep out "Big Brother MS".

I have this setup on my old Dell with Win7 and still tweeking the nitty gritties on my Win10 gaming laptop. It also stops FB from tracking your searches & adding adds etc. Yes MS now owns Google, which has a big stake in FB etc etc. Global control LOL, go MS (Big Brother is watching).

ABC
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: ABCDeVil on July 17, 2016, 11:35:03 PM
I had some worries about Win 10 but found out much later that my Win 7 ultimate was a fake so upgraded to windows 10 last year and it will load and shut down very quickly, nothing like the long wait for 7 ultimate.

Hi M.C.A.,

Fake Win7, is a cheap simple fix. Go on-line to MS, purchase a licence for about $30, problem solved, including necessary or missing updates. Of course, that is after you revert the PC/Laptop back to the original state. Two of my friends here, have recently purchased the licence with a good local PC guy, fixing the issue for them. My 2 friends are either old or computer illiterate,,,,,,,,, said with kindness & tongue in cheek, hehehe.

ABC
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: M.C.A. on July 18, 2016, 01:22:32 PM

Yes, I miss the ability to play some of the older games that won't work on windows 10, but I can get over that with the much more smoothly operating system that 10 is. 

Joel here's a Youtube link and this will show how to get those older games to work.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJfBzhY-FI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJfBzhY-FI)

Here's another short cut with video and explanation.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ws1s8g9us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ws1s8g9us)
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: M.C.A. on July 18, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Hi M.C.A.,

Fake Win7, is a cheap simple fix. Go on-line to MS, purchase a licence for about $30, problem solved, including necessary or missing updates. Of course, that is after you revert the PC/Laptop back to the original state. Two of my friends here, have recently purchased the licence with a good local PC guy, fixing the issue for them. My 2 friends are either old or computer illiterate,,,,,,,,, said with kindness & tongue in cheek, hehehe.

ABC

Thanks... hugh?  I didn't realize it was that cheap, I'm going to keep the Win 10 but if for some reason it's another copy because my license was fake then I'll need to do as you say and purchase a license but so far it's been good to me and the deadline if I'm not mistaken for Win 10 is this month, so after July it has to also be purchased.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: medic3500 on July 18, 2016, 10:17:11 PM
Another reason to switch your operating system to Linux based like Ubuntu or similar which are free. Most games these days are compatible or have an emulator that acts like Windows and allows them to play. The new stable releases of Ubuntu looks and act just like Windows for the most part with minimal learning curve. I haven't used or paid for MS Office in years or most of the other products that MS tries to force you to purchase. I use Libre Office 5 which looks and acts just like MS Office and is completely free plus it allows you to convert your work from or to MS Office format with ease. Next computer I get will not have MS operating system installed, I will install all open source products for free, I'm tired of making Bill Gates richer than he already is.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: M.C.A. on July 19, 2016, 03:03:37 PM
Another reason to switch your operating system to Linux based like Ubuntu or similar which are free. Most games these days are compatible or have an emulator that acts like Windows and allows them to play. The new stable releases of Ubuntu looks and act just like Windows for the most part with minimal learning curve. I haven't used or paid for MS Office in years or most of the other products that MS tries to force you to purchase. I use Libre Office 5 which looks and acts just like MS Office and is completely free plus it allows you to convert your work from or to MS Office format with ease. Next computer I get will not have MS operating system installed, I will install all open source products for free, I'm tired of making Bill Gates richer than he already is.

Interesting... hey so you use Ubuntu? is there another operating system you recommend that is free.   Is there any downside that you can think of? What about virus's.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: medic3500 on July 19, 2016, 08:12:19 PM
I am not currently using Ubuntu as I gave the computer it was loaded on to my daughter. However I did use it for a several years and was completely satisfied. There is also Mint OS which I have played around with and is quite nice. Like anything else new there is a slight learning curve getting use to how things work in each, but what is really nice there is a huge following for both products and many forums.  Rest assured any questions you might have about either product are easy to find answers to plus the latest tweaks to get the best performance. Both OS come with their own Antivirus/Malware protection and Linux based open source is less likely to be hit with virus's because of the platform it's design on. Just do a simple google on Mint OS or Ubuntu OS read about them. I think you will be impressed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: bigpearl on July 19, 2016, 09:00:28 PM
So what are the pros and cons between Mint OS, Ubuntu OS, Bill (rich) Gates OS, Mac OS or other Operating Systems? which is better? Or worse?

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: medic3500 on July 20, 2016, 09:41:47 AM
Steve, I suppose the best answer is what you like. My preference is OS programs like Mint, Ubuntu don't come with a lot of bloatware built in, they're pretty simple interfaces and mostly you can basically change them to look and do what you want since they are open source. Secondly the ones I have work with are completely free which is a big deal for people on a budget and they are for the most part virus and malware free. I won't say that they are immune to virus's but they are less prone than MS. There are some cons associated if you are a big gamer, some of the big name games are not compatible but that doesn't affect me. I'm a flight simmer and the simulator I have does have a Linux version. One thing that people should consider is why do a large portion of large corporations rely upon Linux based servers to run their companies, simply because they are reliable. If you have a computer background and are comfortable with changing code you can actually go in and change the settings freely to serve what ever purpose you want, if not you can use them as they come. For me it's more about getting a more secure system that is lightweight in size compared to MS and I'm not paying Bill Gates to spy on me.   
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: bigpearl on July 20, 2016, 11:32:14 AM
Thanks for the info Medic.

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: nmyjeff on November 21, 2017, 02:14:22 PM
Windows 10 is a good choice over win 7. It performs better on new devices.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: BudM on November 22, 2017, 01:30:25 AM
My opinion is that 7 is a good choice over 10 or 8 for that matter and no doubt over, again in my opinion, that crapping Vista.  Too bad support for 7 won't be around as long yet as support for 10.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: RUFUS on November 22, 2017, 01:33:16 AM
I'm sticking with 7 until they stop supporting it.
Then I will go with a Linux based OS like Ubuntu or Mint.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: nmyjeff on November 29, 2017, 05:24:45 PM
Another reason to switch your operating system to Linux based like Ubuntu or similar which are free. Most games these days are compatible or have an emulator that acts like Windows and allows them to play. The new stable releases of Ubuntu looks and act just like Windows for the most part with minimal learning curve and it can even do help like password reset as this (https://www.uukeys.com/reset-windows-password-free-with-ubuntu.html) post says. I haven't used or paid for MS Office in years or most of the other products that MS tries to force you to purchase. I use Libre Office 5 which looks and acts just like MS Office and is completely free plus it allows you to convert your work from or to MS Office format with ease. Next computer I get will not have MS operating system installed, I will install all open source products for free, I'm tired of making Bill Gates richer than he already is.

Linux is not good for gaming. The performance is much lower than Windows version and have compatible issues with major release. However, Linux is great for programming.
Title: Re: Windows 10 to take longer to reach billion-device goal
Post by: M.C.A. on January 20, 2018, 09:01:09 AM
Update on my Windows 10, I installed it on both my desk tops and one desk top had to be reformatted so I had them put Win 7 ultimate on that one and my other desk top kept loading updates that always failed for nearly a year and then I got the black screen so what I did was hit the reset button I think 2 times and got the blue screen and clicked on the Windows 10 reset it took a couple hours and fixed the issue including the constant updates but if this happens again I'm going to have it reformatted and install Win 7.