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Living in The Philippines => Expat life in Philippines => Topic started by: Lee2 on May 15, 2018, 06:00:06 PM

Title: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 15, 2018, 06:00:06 PM
Since I just got back to Florida, I thought I would start a thread on this subject, how does the Philippines compare to where you lived before, especially the good but also the bad and differences but hopefully mostly the good.

1) Okay so let me point out one of the good items for us, the low cost of taxis, we arrived in Fort Lauderdale and had to take a taxi home, the meter was a little over $20 and of course the driver expected a tip, the U.S. is a tip society, how about where you came from, do you have to tip taxi drivers or others, anyway so here they expect at least 20% so over $25, the same ride could be compared in Cebu from our condo to say SM but of course was a lot smoother and with less traffic on the better roads we have in Florida vs Cebu and the ride to SM would be a maximum of p150 in heavy traffic, so $3 verses $20 so around $25, so for us, the low cost of taxis in Cebu and elsewhere is a huge plus.

2) Now one negative, why the heck don't they take care of bugs in most places in the Philippines? Here in Florida there are Chemlawn trucks all over, I do not think I ever saw one on the roads anywhere we have been within the Philippines, do they even have law and home treatment companies? Could it be the cost of chemicals, the lack of availability or maybe they just do not like to use them? Bback in the village where my wife was born the ants and many of the other insects are left alone, some children play with the larger ones as toys but why do you think it is that they are left alone?

Anyway on to my grip of sorts but tolerable and controllable, we arrived in our Florida condo after it was empty for a few months to thankfully find not a single ant or bug, we are not so lucky in Cebu as the ants are plenty but thankfully the roaches are few, or never seen at all in our condo, maybe because we put down Borax before we leave and spread it around the pipe chases so any bugs we see are usually dead but still the ants survive and not long before we left, the termites were flying outside and a few found their way into our unit via the loose fitting sliding doors, pissed me off but luckily the whole condo is made of concrete walls ceilings and all and the cabinets are made of plywood that termites apparently do not eat and also we were awake at the time but what about when we or you leave your homes? Why the heck are termite mounds not controlled?

How about you, can you think of any?

Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 15, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
I don't know about it all really but I know things are a lot better here.  And these problems you bring up are near non-existent where I am.  And yes, there are pest control companies around.  The only thing I have difficulty with those is those freaking ants you talk about all the time.  They show up every so often out of no where.

As far as back in Florida.  I read news from there every day from one of the local TV stations in Jacksonville.  And ever day it is the same story.  This number of people were shot yesterday while playing video games inside there homes from a drive by and this number of people were shot driving down the road and this number of people from people upset about their driving and this number of people got run over and this number of people were taken to the hospitals and this number of people were arrested for various other things.  It is sad though how all of these people who died at the hands of others or because of them being dumb as dirt were such kind loving people who never did any wrong or hurt anyone and helped everyone out along with not deserving to die.   Why could it not be someone else?  But, that is ok.  There are always the lawyers who find their prey and do not have too much trouble convincing the families victims to sue, sue, and sue some more.

I sure am glad I am somewhere that I don't have to worry about all that crap finally.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 15, 2018, 07:30:14 PM
I don't know about it all really but I know things are a lot better here. 
What things are a lot better there, I know there are many, please list some besides shootings because I read about them happening in the Philippines daily?
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: JoeLP on May 15, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
Have not been back in 5 years. The bugs and the net are the negatives.  The continual fresh food usually picked or killed in the last 24-48 hours are a positive.  The weather(I lived in Michigan mainly) is also a positive.  No snow to shovel, no cold to brave, no icy roads to drive on.  Again, a positive...a very nice positive.  Oceans so close to where I live.  Longer beach seasons.  Lake Michigan beaches are nice, and while minus the coral, they have shorter seasons.  Get 2 months most years, with maybe 3 in a good year.  Getting a lot more than that here.
Also, most of the locals I meet in this rural municipality are friendly.  That's always a great thing. 
The goods way out weight the bads.  Just wish the net speed would get better.  I shouldn't complain seeing in the last 6 months or so we finally got unlimited date and "10mbps" setup.  Granted it's rarely above 2mbps during the day, at night it's pretty nice and even during the day much better than the very slow, rarely over 1mbps speeds I dealt with before.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 15, 2018, 07:45:53 PM
The wife and I love all the fresh fruits and veggies from the street vendors near our Cebu condo, they are there Friday, Saturday and Sunday, we do not bother to go to the bigger street markets but they are there if we wished to. We also really enjoy the banana cue and the availability of Buku Juice, there are so many items that it is hard to remember all, that is why I posted this topic, I hope you all can post them.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: JoeLP on May 15, 2018, 08:18:36 PM
That buco juice reminding me of a lot more. Again, I lived in Michigan.  Tropical fruits were a treat and often came in frozen bags or cans.  Rarely eaten raw and fresh.  So always nice with the wife or our maid cuts up some fresh pineapple, mango, papaya or some other local fruit/veggie.  Also enjoy when they open a buko and ice the water for some drinking.  That refreshes the body so nicely.
Also, at least in my neck of the woods here in the Philippines, there is always a nice, yet very reasonable prices resort near by.  Nice to hit those from time to time just to be away and relax even more than the normal day brings...if possible.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 15, 2018, 08:38:05 PM
We enjoy jackfruit too
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 15, 2018, 11:45:16 PM
Bugs are prevalent due to there not being a winter season to knock them down for a few months. Also something to consider are the rodents. We have to put down sticky pads to catch them and always make sure to clean the floors frequently (2-3 times daily) to make sure that no urine trails are left.

But on a positive note, the fresh fruits are great, of course, as is the fresh seafood, including edible seaweed/algae harvested daily. My favorite is Arusip (Sea Grapes) sprinkled with a little vinegar

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I also miss the night street vendors, serving up bbq chicken, bbq pork, banana cue and other delicacies. Nothing like that in America. I even enjoyed the occasional penoy along with a cold Red Horse.

But the number one thing I miss most about the Philippines is the people. Friendly folks walking the paths in the barangay, children laughing and playing, families sitting out front spending time together and lots of good, cheap beer. I miss those things most of all.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 16, 2018, 12:45:57 AM
What things are a lot better there, I know there are many, please list some besides shootings because I read about them happening in the Philippines daily?

I don't know where all you guys are living here or living when you are here.  Once in a while when I hear of a crime, it is in another city in the metro area.  What is there?  Something like 17 cities in Metro Manila? Most of the crime I hear of is from outside of here. No, I am not saying it is crime free around my area.  Not at all.  But, I hear of very little.  In Jacksonville, that crap is going on every single day.  It wasn't like that when I moved there in '73 and there was about 600k people versus today close to 1.4m.  The place is getting like the bigger cities with all the crime in the US. Crime, crime, crime there and you guys are talking about some little crap that happens once in a while?

And someone with all the bugs and netting?  Netting for what?  You live in one of those huts?  And urine trails across the floors from what?  I think they mentioned rodents.  This house we have now, we moved in over 4 years ago.  We have had one mouse that we have known of inside.  That was discovered less than two days after we moved in and it was caught with a sticky trap.  Well, I know the people who had owned it before had all the doors wide open during the couple of days prior to our move in while they moved all their stuff out.  Also, during that time, I have seen and only known of two rats on our property outside.  They were done away with quickly or just left or something because they were not around long.

I lived in a condo on the other side of SLEX over next to Laguna DeBay or whatever it is called, during the first year here, and I did not have all these problems you guys talk about there either.  Man, I didn't come here to rough it.  I am retired and relaxing.  If I have to live amongst rodents and bugs overrunning me, I am out of here.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 16, 2018, 12:53:32 AM
What things are a lot better there, I know there are many, please list some besides shootings because I read about them happening in the Philippines daily?

Let me answer this one more time specifically for you Lee.  No, not everything is so much better here.  There are things that I miss and can not do here.  But, you know what I value most?  My family and my peace of mind.  My peace of mind here is so much healthier because in the US my peace of mind was like crap.  I got tired of having to look over my shoulder every place I went and taking different routes to and from work and being worried whenever I got home as to if my place and belongings were still intact.  To me, that is what makes the any disadvantages all worth it.  But man, I can die now knowing I have lived my last years (a long time yet) with peace of mind.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 16, 2018, 01:51:47 AM
The place is getting like the bigger cities with all the crime in the US. Crime, crime, crime there and you guys are talking about some little crap that happens once in a while?
Problem is that the news in the Philippines does not cover much for the most part, most things never get reported, I can attest to that first hand, I have heard gunfire right in Cebu City on a main street and it goes on all the time in other parts of the Philippines, it rarely makes the news, family members have been stabbed, some shot and killed, never made the news, a friend was an undercover police officer in Manila, he was afraid to walk the streets with us in Makati and he carries a gun, I am going to guess he knows better than what we hear in the news, so comparing any place in the U.S.where news is very overdone and sensationalized, to any place in the Philippines where IMO news is almost always lacking, just does not work. In the U.S. the news is a 24/7 business, in the Philippines not so. IMO it is a false sense of security to think any place in the Philippines is any safer than a first world country where we actually see police patrolling all the time, so to see which is safer, dial 911 or whatever they call it in your part of the Philippines and see just how long it takes, if ever, to get help... If people want to stay safe, then all we have to do is be realists and know that crime likely goes on around us, therefore we need to be careful to avoid it, that is what we do while in the U.S. and while in the Philippines and it has worked for us in both places for the most part...

There are many great items in the Philippines, why don't we try to concentrate on those.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 16, 2018, 05:49:16 AM
I don't know where all you guys are living here or living when you are here.


Since you are responding to at least a couple of my statements, I'll attempt to clarify a bit. This may take a little work on my part, but I don't want any misunderstandings. We live full time in Louisville, KY. When we visit our family in the Philippines we stay in the house we built for the family, in Bagong Silang, Caloocan City. This is the general location of the house:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_House%20location.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/graywolf101/media/House%20location.jpg.html)

When I first met Gloria in 1999 this is what the property looked like

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_Novaliches%20Dec%201999.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/graywolf101/media/Novaliches%20Dec%201999.jpg.html)

We decided to help the family by building them a nice house, which would also give us a base of operations when we visit. We put roughly Php1.5M into constructing a 5 BR 3-story residence on that "jungle" property. This is the view looking west from our rooftop:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_West%20View%20Rooftop.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/graywolf101/media/West%20View%20Rooftop.jpg.html)


Even though the area has been built up a lot since 1999, it is still on the edge of a ravine flowing down into a river, which gives wildlife an avenue of approach to the back of the houses along our pathwalk. Neighbors killed a cobra behind our house one year

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/graywolf101/th_100_9384_1.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/graywolf101/media/100_9384_1.jpg.html)

And the last time we visited (late 2016) one neighbor came out of her house screaming for help because she saw a snake crawling up the wall and disappearing into the ceiling of her home. Sorry, no photographic evidence. Yeah, it's on the edge. Naturally there will be insects of all types. And where there are insects, there will be rats and mice.

And someone with all the bugs and netting?  Netting for what?  You live in one of those huts?  And urine trails across the floors from what?  I think they mentioned rodents. 


Joe was the one who mentioned "net" (not netting) but he was referring to the internet, not "netting" to catch bugs, mice or fish.

As far as urine trails, wherever there are mice or rats there is the possibility of urine trails left by those little scumbags. For those who don't know, rodent urine can carry lots of bad stuff including Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome, Hemorrhagic Fever with Renal Syndrome, Lassa Fever, Leptospirosis, Lymphocytic Chorio-meningitis (LCM), Plague, Rat-Bite Fever, Salmonellosis and Tularemia. Quite a list, isn't it? So we (the family) use sticky pads to trap anything that happens to invade the house and we (the family) keep the house as clean as possible to avoid any contamination. As far as insects, yeah, we see ants (who doesn't) and the occasional roach, which is quickly dispatched, the area cleaned thoroughly and either spray or powder put down to help keep the next guy away. It's a tropical country and critters are everywhere, whether you see them or not.

Not all of us have the where-with-all to live in a condo. Even our house in Kentucky is a modest 4-room home. Hell, our house in Bagong Silang is bigger than our house in the US. But the house in Bagong Silang is not airtight, nor does it have aircon, something I do miss when we visit the PH.

Why, you ask, would we build a house in such a "bad" area? Because that's where the family owned property. We built the house for "them", not for us. It is what it is. I still enjoy our visits there and in spite of the house being in a somewhat austere area, it's still one the the biggest houses in Bagong Silang and it's spotless inside. I love our neighbors and miss sitting on the rooftop snacking on food from the night vendors and sipping cold Red Horse with select neighbors and family members.
 
Whew! That was a lot of work! I hope it enlightens anyone who had questions about when, where and why

Peace


Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 16, 2018, 07:47:41 AM
Problem is that the news in the Philippines does not cover much for the most part, most things never get reported, I can attest to that first hand, I have heard gunfire right in Cebu City on a main street and it goes on all the time in other parts of the Philippines, it rarely makes the news, family members have been stabbed, some shot and killed, never made the news, a friend was an undercover police officer in Manila, he was afraid to walk the streets with us in Makati and he carries a gun, I am going to guess he knows better than what we hear in the news, so comparing any place in the U.S.where news is very overdone and sensationalized, to any place in the Philippines where IMO news is almost always lacking, just does not work. In the U.S. the news is a 24/7 business, in the Philippines not so. IMO it is a false sense of security to think any place in the Philippines is any safer than a first world country where we actually see police patrolling all the time, so to see which is safer, dial 911 or whatever they call it in your part of the Philippines and see just how long it takes, if ever, to get help... If people want to stay safe, then all we have to do is be realists and know that crime likely goes on around us, therefore we need to be careful to avoid it, that is what we do while in the U.S. and while in the Philippines and it has worked for us in both places for the most part...

There are many great items in the Philippines, why don't we try to concentrate on those.

I am done with this crap on the crime.  You feel safer and more content with how and where you are spending your time and I feel safer and more content with where I am.  I am not an expert on it all plus don't know all the experts and neither do you.  I am not ignorant to what goes on in my life around me when I go out on the street and go plenty of places.  And all that matters to me in my life is how I feel.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 16, 2018, 08:19:13 AM
Sorry about jumping the gun a little bit on what you posted Jack.  And Joe.  I had been reading some stuff right before that kind of insinuated the same stuff all the time.  I am not saying that the OP on that particular stuff feels this way but there are a couple or several people on here that lean towards the negativeness of living here which is kind of like people making that choice are insane.

I don't live in a condo.  I only did that the first year.  I don't have a lot of money and everything I have ever had in the past and currently have been or are modest.  I have a modest 4 br in a halfway decent and halfway clean neighborhood.  I am not saying the bugs or rodents are not here.  I just don't have a problem with them.  And like you, the floors gets mopped daily or usually twice daily.  I haven't seen any snakes to this day.  I guess I haven't gotten out deeper in the province enough yet.  Speaking of cobras, back in Jax about 10 years ago, I had some kids who were out trying to make money cutting grass clean up a small ditch behind my place and then sliced one in half.

I said that I didn't know where some of you guys are living but I sure did not say anything about why anyone would build in a "bad" area.  Maybe some have but I am sure not all have.  I know all areas are different and a lot of things depend on where you are.  I grew up and went through high school in the sticks in NY.  Ever since I left there, except for a few deployments totally up to maybe a little more than two years, I have lived in an area of a good sized city.  Both there and here.  I want to eventually get out more in the countryside.  That was my plan when I retired.  But, it won't happen for at least a few more years.  Then I can get a view maybe like you do down that ravine.  And of course, I will have a different scenario of problems to deal with.  But, it is like everything and everyplace else.  Going to have good and going to have bad no matter how you look at it.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 16, 2018, 08:39:24 AM
Not a problem at all, bro. I just wanted to be sure that everyone understood my living situation. In the past I received a lot of negative comments from others about me being the Admin/Mod/List Guide for this forum and the Yahoo group since I didn't live full time in the Philippines. I've made it clear to all those I've talked with over the years about my connection with the country. Maybe during my next visit I can arrange with the warden to let me off leash so I can come visit
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 17, 2018, 08:47:37 PM
Ladyboys are abound in the Philippines, I have even seen some in the men's bathroom (CR) in malls, I have never seen that while in the states but I am guessing it has to exist in some areas such as LA, the Keys and others, where gay and transgender people are more abundant, thou I have never seen it when I had been to those areas. In other words, I think it is a good thing that the Philippines and Filipinos are more relaxed/comfortable and even open when it comes to other than straight, there does not seem to be as many or even any homophobes in the Philippines, that is IMO definitely a good thing.

One thing I do not like, which is not necessarily a negative item, except when it comes to me trying to find which phone to buy/use, there are way too many phone types and way too many phone stores and basically they all have the same price on phones and accessories, so what good is it that the competition is present, when they all seem to price fix.

Another great item IMO is the availability of public transportation such as Jeepneys, thus making it even less expensive to get around than the inexpensive taxis.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 17, 2018, 10:24:46 PM
Not a problem at all, bro. I just wanted to be sure that everyone understood my living situation. In the past I received a lot of negative comments from others about me being the Admin/Mod/List Guide for this forum and the Yahoo group since I didn't live full time in the Philippines. I've made it clear to all those I've talked with over the years about my connection with the country. Maybe during my next visit I can arrange with the warden to let me off leash so I can come visit

Come visit?  Who, you talking about?  Me?  You're kidding or what?  If not, yeah, sure or meet up.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 18, 2018, 08:13:17 AM
We live a pretty much sheltered life in our gated community which we feel safe and sound. I call it our special niche that has most of the modern convienances and amminities like 1st world we need within a 7 mile radius. Having our own vehicle to get around is most convient not having to rely on the local public transportation. I feel the air quality is pretty clean in our suburban area and trash is collected twice a week with minimal burning of rubbish.
We've live here now about 20 yrs and here we shall stay for many more years to come.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 18, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
We live a pretty much sheltered life in our gated community which we feel safe and sound. I call it our special niche that has most of the modern convienances and amminities like 1st world we need within a 7 mile radius. Having our own vehicle to get around is most convient not having to rely on the local public transportation. I feel the air quality is pretty clean in our suburban area and trash is collected twice a week with minimal burning of rubbish.
We've live here now about 20 yrs and here we shall stay for many more years to come.

Same exactly except for the 20 yrs.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: medic3500 on May 20, 2018, 06:13:06 PM
I'm glad you and I always get a chance to meet up Jack, you're a hell of a nice guy.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 24, 2018, 07:26:17 AM
A great item about the Philippines and a pain while in the U.S. is all the solicitation phone calls, we get a few a day since getting back to Florida from numbers we do not know, yet, so far none while in the Philippines except an occasional incoming text, which is a lot better than these annoying calls which BTW I never answer.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 28, 2018, 01:33:27 AM
Come visit?  Who, you talking about?  Me?  You're kidding or what?  If not, yeah, sure or meet up.

No, not kidding. It would be quite the trip getting from my neck of the woods down to yours, but if I can pull it off, I'd love to meet up and share a meal along with a cold one. Maybe we could meet up halfway. Another year almost before my next trip over, so no rush to make arrangements, but I'd love to try.

During my last two visits Dan (Medic3500) and I met at the local Mall along with our girls and enjoyed a good conversation and drinks
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 28, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
No, not kidding. It would be quite the trip getting from my neck of the woods down to yours, but if I can pull it off, I'd love to meet up and share a meal along with a cold one. Maybe we could meet up halfway. Another year almost before my next trip over, so no rush to make arrangements, but I'd love to try.

During my last two visits Dan (Medic3500) and I met at the local Mall along with our girls and enjoyed a good conversation and drinks

Yeah, sounds like a winner.  Real good chance I could.  You are talking about Caloocan would be your base while there.  Right?
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 28, 2018, 12:03:50 PM
Yeah, sounds like a winner.  Real good chance I could.  You are talking about Caloocan would be your base while there.  Right?

You are correct. North side of Caloocan. As time nears for our visit we'll discuss it further. Look forward to meeting you, if possible
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on May 28, 2018, 02:19:02 PM
You are correct. North side of Caloocan. As time nears for our visit we'll discuss it further. Look forward to meeting you, if possible

Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: iamjames on May 28, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
K - back on topic. I find the longer I am here the more accepting I am becoming and enjoy life more. 5 years now so I have a list of positives.
1. Almost Total absence of serious crime in Gingoog. I heard of one shooting about 2 years ago. Otherwise I leave doors unlocked, helmet on bike, items open to public etc. Never a hint of theft or violence (except from foreigners!).
2. Cheap labour. I can get furniture made by welders and carpenters at a fraction of the price back home (Ireland). Electricians and plumbers are very cheap also. Just have to double check that they actually know about the work.
3. Polite people. The foreigners often stand out as very impolite in comparison.
4. Peace of Mind as Bud mentioned. No need to watch who will be coming after you next: Banks, Lawyers, Trivial lawsuits...  A point to note here is if there is a complaint or dispute between two people then It must go through Two Reconciliation meetings at barangay level before being allowed on to legal proceedings. This is brilliant and generally leads to early settlement at no cost for lawyers.
5. Someone mentioned that they spray on the public highways for bugs in Florida. No Thanks!!! I do not trust the Bayer and Monsanto people spraying me with chemicals. Here I just ensure the place is kept spotless and floors mopped with clean mops twice a day. Not a cockroach or mouse in sight for four months now. Ants are also only a very minor problem.
(On the issue of insects it depends at what height above sea-level you are. At sea level I find them minimal as they do not like the heat. Anything above 1,000 meters and they can be an infestation. )
6. Of course a number one positive is all the beautiful women.

My only real negative is that I cannot communicate well enough in Bisayan and therefore I get my blood pressure up needlessly. In those circumstances many foreigners actually consider the Philippinos stupid because they "do not understand" the foreigners English (which usually is clouded in accents and idioms that make it difficult even for some native English speakers to understand). Simple communication is the main problem for most foreigners - and is their OWN fault for not learning the Philippine Language.

WHEW. That was a long one but I have wanted to write some of those comments for a while as some of those issues keep repeating.

 
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Lee2 on May 28, 2018, 07:23:44 PM
Thanks James, I hope others will continue with their positives as well, and while some get upset when negatives are listed, I feel it is better for people who will be new to the Philippines, to know the negatives, rather than for them to get surprised and upset by them once they move to the Philippines.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: FastWalk on May 29, 2018, 12:21:22 AM

WHEW. That was a long one but I have wanted to write some of those comments for a while as some of those issues keep repeating.

 

Nice list,  I can agree with it.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: David690 on May 29, 2018, 02:56:39 PM
K - back on topic. I find the longer I am here the more accepting I am becoming and enjoy life more. 5 years now so I have a list of positives.
1. Almost Total absence of serious crime in Gingoog. I heard of one shooting about 2 years ago. Otherwise I leave doors unlocked, helmet on bike, items open to public etc. Never a hint of theft or violence (except from foreigners!).
2. Cheap labour. I can get furniture made by welders and carpenters at a fraction of the price back home (Ireland). Electricians and plumbers are very cheap also. Just have to double check that they actually know about the work.
3. Polite people. The foreigners often stand out as very impolite in comparison.
4. Peace of Mind as Bud mentioned. No need to watch who will be coming after you next: Banks, Lawyers, Trivial lawsuits...  A point to note here is if there is a complaint or dispute between two people then It must go through Two Reconciliation meetings at barangay level before being allowed on to legal proceedings. This is brilliant and generally leads to early settlement at no cost for lawyers.
5. Someone mentioned that they spray on the public highways for bugs in Florida. No Thanks!!! I do not trust the Bayer and Monsanto people spraying me with chemicals. Here I just ensure the place is kept spotless and floors mopped with clean mops twice a day. Not a cockroach or mouse in sight for four months now. Ants are also only a very minor problem.
(On the issue of insects it depends at what height above sea-level you are. At sea level I find them minimal as they do not like the heat. Anything above 1,000 meters and they can be an infestation. )
6. Of course a number one positive is all the beautiful women.

My only real negative is that I cannot communicate well enough in Bisayan and therefore I get my blood pressure up needlessly. In those circumstances many foreigners actually consider the Philippinos stupid because they "do not understand" the foreigners English (which usually is clouded in accents and idioms that make it difficult even for some native English speakers to understand). Simple communication is the main problem for most foreigners - and is their OWN fault for not learning the Philippine Language.

WHEW. That was a long one but I have wanted to write some of those comments for a while as some of those issues keep repeating.

 

Good post and I agree totally.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 30, 2018, 03:06:52 AM
K - back on topic. I find the longer I am here the more accepting I am becoming and enjoy life more. 5 years now so I have a list of positives.
1. Almost Total absence of serious crime in Gingoog. I heard of one shooting about 2 years ago. Otherwise I leave doors unlocked, helmet on bike, items open to public etc. Never a hint of theft or violence (except from foreigners!).
2. Cheap labour. I can get furniture made by welders and carpenters at a fraction of the price back home (Ireland). Electricians and plumbers are very cheap also. Just have to double check that they actually know about the work.
3. Polite people. The foreigners often stand out as very impolite in comparison.
4. Peace of Mind as Bud mentioned. No need to watch who will be coming after you next: Banks, Lawyers, Trivial lawsuits...  A point to note here is if there is a complaint or dispute between two people then It must go through Two Reconciliation meetings at barangay level before being allowed on to legal proceedings. This is brilliant and generally leads to early settlement at no cost for lawyers.
5. Someone mentioned that they spray on the public highways for bugs in Florida. No Thanks!!! I do not trust the Bayer and Monsanto people spraying me with chemicals. Here I just ensure the place is kept spotless and floors mopped with clean mops twice a day. Not a cockroach or mouse in sight for four months now. Ants are also only a very minor problem.
(On the issue of insects it depends at what height above sea-level you are. At sea level I find them minimal as they do not like the heat. Anything above 1,000 meters and they can be an infestation. )
6. Of course a number one positive is all the beautiful women.

My only real negative is that I cannot communicate well enough in Bisayan and therefore I get my blood pressure up needlessly. In those circumstances many foreigners actually consider the Philippinos stupid because they "do not understand" the foreigners English (which usually is clouded in accents and idioms that make it difficult even for some native English speakers to understand). Simple communication is the main problem for most foreigners - and is their OWN fault for not learning the Philippine Language.

WHEW. That was a long one but I have wanted to write some of those comments for a while as some of those issues keep repeating.
 

Most positive post from you ever. Seems the years have mellowed you a bit. Thanks for sharing!  :)
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Tim_L on July 06, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
Agree with you BudM. I live in Jax too and basically gave up even watching the news. Honestly, I can't wait to get the heck out of here. Drugs and thugs are taking this place over. 33 more days and I'll be in the wind to Cebu!

Getting back to the theme of the thread though, overall it's just prices that make things better in the Philippines. Well, besides the women. hahaha.... Having said that, if you want to live a middle-class US lifestyle there, I find it's more costly. Especially if you're trying to eat western foods.
Plenty of killings going on there just like here. Just not too many government officials being gunned down like there's been there lately. Traffic is a nightmare there, not so much here unless you're in NYC or LA or something.
Infrastructure in the US compared to the Philippines is no comparison at all. We plan first here. They don't plan at all and just seem to wing it there. Corruption is off the chain over there as well. Pollution there, good God!!! Never saw anything like it in my life.
Flights win hands down in the Philippines. You can't even look at a plane in the US for $40. lol
And in the US, I'm not a walking ATM to everyone I meet. hahahaha....


I don't know about it all really but I know things are a lot better here.  And these problems you bring up are near non-existent where I am.  And yes, there are pest control companies around.  The only thing I have difficulty with those is those freaking ants you talk about all the time.  They show up every so often out of no where.

As far as back in Florida.  I read news from there every day from one of the local TV stations in Jacksonville.  And ever day it is the same story.  This number of people were shot yesterday while playing video games inside there homes from a drive by and this number of people were shot driving down the road and this number of people from people upset about their driving and this number of people got run over and this number of people were taken to the hospitals and this number of people were arrested for various other things.  It is sad though how all of these people who died at the hands of others or because of them being dumb as dirt were such kind loving people who never did any wrong or hurt anyone and helped everyone out along with not deserving to die.   Why could it not be someone else?  But, that is ok.  There are always the lawyers who find their prey and do not have too much trouble convincing the families victims to sue, sue, and sue some more.

I sure am glad I am somewhere that I don't have to worry about all that crap finally.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: David690 on July 06, 2018, 02:46:04 PM
33 more days and I'll be in the wind to Cebu!

*Plenty of killings going on there just like here. Just not too many government officials being gunned down like there's been there lately. *Traffic is a nightmare there, not so much here unless you're in NYC or LA or something.
*Infrastructure in the US compared to the Philippines is no comparison at all. We plan first here. They don't plan at all and just seem to    wing it there.
*Corruption is off the chain over there as well.
*Pollution there, good God!!! Never saw anything like it in my life.
*And in the US, I'm not a walking ATM to everyone I meet. hahahaha....

It doesn't sound like you have much to look forward to here, apart rom the girls.  Are you quite sure that you're looking forward to heading over here in 33 days?
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on July 06, 2018, 08:06:58 PM
Agree with you BudM. I live in Jax too and basically gave up even watching the news. Honestly, I can't wait to get the heck out of here. Drugs and thugs are taking this place over. 33 more days and I'll be in the wind to Cebu!

Getting back to the theme of the thread though, overall it's just prices that make things better in the Philippines. Well, besides the women. hahaha.... Having said that, if you want to live a middle-class US lifestyle there, I find it's more costly. Especially if you're trying to eat western foods.
Plenty of killings going on there just like here. Just not too many government officials being gunned down like there's been there lately. Traffic is a nightmare there, not so much here unless you're in NYC or LA or something.
Infrastructure in the US compared to the Philippines is no comparison at all. We plan first here. They don't plan at all and just seem to wing it there. Corruption is off the chain over there as well. Pollution there, good God!!! Never saw anything like it in my life.
Flights win hands down in the Philippines. You can't even look at a plane in the US for $40. lol
And in the US, I'm not a walking ATM to everyone I meet. hahahaha....
You got me as to why you can't wait to get the heck out of there.  To where?  Here?  You agree with me about Jacksonville but then you turn around and paint the Philippines as just as bad or worse.  Over here is just like there.  There are bad places and there are good.  And to me personally, the bad things about that place outweigh the bad things about this place.  I am basically ok when it comes to dealing with the bad things here.  Maybe though, if it was to get worse, my opinion would change.  And as far as you thinking the only good thing about here are the costs of living and the women, well yeah, I am not going to live in a way that I only need to spend 500 bucks a month?  What for?  I don't have to so it will cost me.  And although, yeah, I do have a preference for Filipina, but there are women all over the world.  So neither of your apparently (only???) two good reasons for living here were the basis for my decision.

And Jacksonville downright sucks now a days.  I don't how long you have lived there but I put in 40 years plus a couple months and watched it go from a pretty decent and nice city to live in to one of the armpits of the US in short order.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Tim_L on July 06, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
Well, I didnít say that I was staying forever. Hahaha
Long enough to have some fun, bounce around, check things out. Use it as a launching point to check out other parts of Asia. Fortunately, I am self employed and can work from anywhere with a solid internet connection and power. Iím not a young pup any more so, who knows if Iíll ever get another chance to do this. ;)

Originally from PA, moved to Jacksonville in 2003 and have been here since.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: BudM on July 07, 2018, 09:46:52 AM
Well, I didnít say that I was staying forever. Hahaha
Long enough to have some fun, bounce around, check things out. Use it as a launching point to check out other parts of Asia. Fortunately, I am self employed and can work from anywhere with a solid internet connection and power. Iím not a young pup any more so, who knows if Iíll ever get another chance to do this. ;)

Originally from PA, moved to Jacksonville in 2003 and have been here since.

Ahhh, ok.  Wasn't that you asking about Pampanga?  Yeah, that area might be good for you.  Close to Angeles City.  You apparently appear to have a different outlook than I at least currently.  Have fun.  By the way upstate NY and then to Jax in '73 but when vacationing up north, around central PA area a lot.  Down south had an ex-gf in south Georgia and spent a lot of years there on weekends.  Got further off in from 95 and she had numerous relatives who wanted to shoot me for being one of those damn Yankees.  No joke.  Savage aunts and uncles.  So much for first world.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Tim_L on July 07, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
Yes, it was and thank you. :) Yeah, they definitely breed a whole different bunch down south. Hahaha
Fu** em if they canít take a joke. ;)
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Dawg on July 27, 2018, 07:44:51 AM
Well, we always tend to focus on the bad stuff and miss a lot of the good things around us, small though they may be.

I love the fact that when I go to a store and purchase a "product" that the personnel unbox the unit, put it together and plug it in if necessary to make sure it works. In the US you buy it and go home hoping it works...here you know it works before cashing out. They even test light bulbs before you buy!

Lee has already talked about cheap transportation in cabs which is true. I love riding the jeepneys! 8 pesos, (yeah...price hike from 7), takes me pretty much where I want to go. And...you get to meet a lot of interesting peeps on the way. Yeah, I know, hot crowded and sometimes smelly exhaust but if we are going slow enough that we are breathing traffic fumes we get off and walk or catch one of those cheap cabs.

I love the weather! Being from Central Florida I don't feel much difference in the Philippines other than the winter. There always seems to be a breeze and when it gets too hot I've got a good AC.

The people are some of the nicest I've met in all my travels. They are quick to laugh and eager to get to hear stories about the outside world. It seems everyone has a relative or a friend near where you come from as an OFW.

Hot Pan!!! Okay, this one is not really good, (for me), as it turns to belly fat which I already have too much of. But, it seems every turn puts you in front of a little bakery and if you ask there is usually something hot out of the oven. I like to get a sack full of Pan, for 5 pesos each, and when the beggar kids come around I'll give them a sweet roll. I stopped giving money when one took his 5 pesos and ran over to buy 2 cigarettes from a street vendor. He shared with his sister but I hated to see an 8 & 10 year old smoking.

What you focus on grows in your life. I know. I used to focus on crappy stuff all the time and guess what...my life was crappy. When I started focusing on the positive things, as little as they might be, my life became more positive. I know that's an overly simple statement but it is true. I met a local at the open air market a few weeks ago. He had 1 arm and no legs. As we chatted it came to me that this guy was the most positive guy I have met in the Philippines. He did not beg or complain, he just smiled and talked about how good life is. Of course I gave him a couple of bills but how refreshing to meet someone with that kind of attitude.
 
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: User444 on September 05, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
The Jeepneys did another price hike! 9 pesos now in Manila! : )
This is my list of what makes the PH so unique (see if you can find these in other countries):
1. Comfort room or CR aka bathroom (the first time I heard this, I had no idea what it was)
2. Jose Rizal is the PH hero, like the George Washington of the States. His statue is everywhere
3. Banana ketchup (really?! there's no tomatoes in this and it's red?) and halo halo (mix mix dessert)
4. Jeepneys
5. Kiss noise to get people's attention
6. Coin tap on the jeep/bus to stop it
7. Jollibee's
8. Saying Scuse instead of pardon me or excuse me
9. Heavily armed malls and banks - pat downs before entering
10. Hey Joe (I first heard this in Cebu and had no clue who they were talking to)
11. People rarely travel solo for vacation. They like group travel with their friends, coworkers, or family
12. buy one take one (instead of buy one get one free), avail a service (instead of request)
13. Religious street processions
14. Cashier asks you for change at the register
15. Smaller refrigerator sizes
16. You can buy pharmaceutical pills by the unit. They can sell you just 1 pill if you want
17. You don't take your tray to the trash can at fast food restaurants. Employees do that
18. Honking on the street. Just to let you know I'm passing you or to tell you not to pull out in front of me
19. Christmas starts in September
20. Divorce is illegal (Vatican city is the only other place)
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: fred on September 05, 2018, 09:34:42 PM
Latest inflation figures 6.7%!!!
Just going shopping here for anything pretty much proves that this is not FAKE NEWS.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: codefreeze on September 14, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
The Jeepneys did another price hike! 9 pesos now in Manila! : )
This is my list of what makes the PH so unique (see if you can find these in other countries):
1. Comfort room or CR aka bathroom (the first time I heard this, I had no idea what it was)
2. Jose Rizal is the PH hero, like the George Washington of the States. His statue is everywhere
3. Banana ketchup (really?! there's no tomatoes in this and it's red?) and halo halo (mix mix dessert)
4. Jeepneys
5. Kiss noise to get people's attention
6. Coin tap on the jeep/bus to stop it
7. Jollibee's
8. Saying Scuse instead of pardon me or excuse me
9. Heavily armed malls and banks - pat downs before entering
10. Hey Joe (I first heard this in Cebu and had no clue who they were talking to)
11. People rarely travel solo for vacation. They like group travel with their friends, coworkers, or family
12. buy one take one (instead of buy one get one free), avail a service (instead of request)
13. Religious street processions
14. Cashier asks you for change at the register
15. Smaller refrigerator sizes
16. You can buy pharmaceutical pills by the unit. They can sell you just 1 pill if you want
17. You don't take your tray to the trash can at fast food restaurants. Employees do that
18. Honking on the street. Just to let you know I'm passing you or to tell you not to pull out in front of me
19. Christmas starts in September
20. Divorce is illegal (Vatican city is the only other place)

That list is so funny, but sooooo TRUE :) Personal faves 5 (and slight variation - pointing with lips) and 19!
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: User444 on April 25, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
21. Fast food hotline (You can call one main number and they will place the order with the store and deliver it to you. You don't have to call your local restaurant directly)
22. 13th month pay (It's like a bonus but it is required by law)
23. Mixing up he and her (I have been called Ma'am far too many times; or her)
24. Age discrimination (I have seen Jollibee ads for 20-30 year old ladies. If you're a 40 year old man, you're not working there)
25. Sweet spaghetti
26. Hand respect to elders (mano po)
27. Dirty kitchen
28. Godparents (and multiple sets of them)
29. shuffling of feet (I call it the FW - Filipino Walking. You have your OFW and FW)
30. Fast food places run out of food (I've been to KFC twice and they didn't have chicken meals. McDonald's runs out of ice cream all the time)
31. The sales person says out loud the amount of money that you just handed them
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Hestecrefter on April 26, 2019, 12:25:50 AM
A few more I have noticed include:

(i) On making a phone call, particularly to a business, being put on hold and told "for awhile".

(ii) First names are abbreviated in speech to the last syllable, not the first.  For example, where I come from, people would use "Rey" as short for "Reymar".  In the Phils they call him "Mar".  Ruby becomes "By" (pronounced "Bee"), etc.

(iii) The use of the phrase "I shall be the one to do it."

(iv)  No self-serve gas stations.

(v)  Ubiquitous roadside places with a large tire, usually painted white, with black letters, offering "vulcanizing", for tire repair.

(vi) Triceys (tricies?, or however one might spell the word they commonly use for "tricycle", which is a motorcycle (a.k.a. motor - with the emphasis on the last syllable) with a distinctly Filipino type of sidecar.

(vii) Adding an "s" to words.  I am used to living in a house with lots of furniture.  There, it would be lots of furnitures, jewelries, etc.

(viii) "open" the tv; "close" the light, etc.

(ix) Storing food, which should properly be stored in the "ref", in the microwave oven instead.

(x) While not a rice cooker, places where I lived in the Phils seemed to run 24/7 a kind of hot water dispenser that was periodically topped up with cold water and one could get hot water out of it by pumping, pressing a large button on the top.

(x) Cock fights.

(xi) Roosters moored to posts, old tires standing upright or various teepee structures.

(xii) In the "province", carabao and horses roaming about among the homes, it not being clear who owns them, where they are coming from or where they are going. 

(xii) Soft drinks purchased with the seller retaining the bottle and the purchaser getting the drink in a plastic bag with a straw.

(xiii) Ice, not made in cubes, but made in plastic sleeves like condoms.

(xiv) User444 mentioned the rampant age discrimination.  It extends to appearance as well.  I recall seeing ads such as "Candidates must be female, 21 to 30 years old, slim" etc.  If both sexes were eligible to apply, there was often some differentiation between male and female candidates, such as "female, not over 35 years old, male not over 40".  That kind of stuff would be so against the law where we live.


Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: codefreeze on April 26, 2019, 02:45:40 PM
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(xiv) User444 mentioned the rampant age discrimination.  It extends to appearance as well.  I recall seeing ads such as "Candidates must be female, 21 to 30 years old, slim" etc.  If both sexes were eligible to apply, there was often some differentiation between male and female candidates, such as "female, not over 35 years old, male not over 40".  That kind of stuff would be so against the law where we live.

Yeah, I saw that quite a bit too. One advert I saw (female, under 25, slim, attractive, etc) also wanted to see a photo of your house as part of the application process for some reason! Is that another way of saying "homeless need not apply!"...  :o
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: JoeLP on April 26, 2019, 08:05:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRILHv0nQI
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: MotorSarge on April 29, 2019, 06:25:05 AM
Good stuff I've seen many times from other places.....and I agree.
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: User444 on May 20, 2019, 02:03:34 PM
32. The president can declare a holiday when he wants
33. A plastic hand glove is given to customers for eating chicken or nachos
34. During elections, there is a liquor ban
35. Circumcision between the age of 10-14
36. Being blunt (family members telling women that they are fat or need to lose weight)
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: Peter on May 20, 2019, 02:38:41 PM
32. The president can declare a holiday when he wants
33. A plastic hand glove is given to customers for eating chicken or nachos
34. During elections, there is a liquor ban
35. Circumcision between the age of 10-14
36. Being blunt (family members telling women that they are fat or need to lose weight)
36A. But never tell a Filipino he can't have another beer!
Title: Re: The Philippines verses first world
Post by: ermita_virus on August 13, 2019, 10:00:06 PM
Is pest extermination free in Florida? Probably not. Definitely not here. What would you rather pay for? Pesticides? Or food? Why do you think fruits and veggies are non existent in the Filipino diet? Rice. Have to have rice. If you are lucky, fish. Worrying about hiring someone to kill bugs for you is definitely a millionaire 1sr world problem. What will you complain about next? Wanting 24 hours a day of water and power? lol