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Title: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Lee2 on October 06, 2015, 08:13:03 PM
Caution, I have hid that update every darn time they send it to my computer. IMHO something nefarious has to be going on for them to be trying to force windows 10 on people. They have sent that update to me at least 3 times and the reason I am posting this is because they sent it to me yet again today.
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Recommended patch released March 27 is a Windows 10 prompter/downloader that nags users about upgrading to Windows 10 -- then does the dirty deed
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[url]http://tinyurl.com/qhur2eq[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/qhur2eq[/url])
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on October 06, 2015, 10:45:33 PM
Our two new laptops have the Windows 8.1 OS. Since I'm not a computer savvy geek, I don't see what Boogeyman is lurking behind this so called mystery patch. At this point, is it going to do any damage to one's OS if one upgrades to the Windows 10 OS? I haven't a clue. Is paranoia just setting in for some unknown reason? Should we Windows 7 and 8.1 OS users be concerned with this mystery patch? If so, please explain it to non-savvy PC users and advise what to do if is one is considering to upgrade to the Windows 10 OS.  ??? :o 
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Lee2 on October 06, 2015, 11:39:18 PM
Our two new laptops have the Windows 8.1 OS. Since I'm not a computer savvy geek, I don't see what Boogeyman is lurking behind this so called mystery patch. At this point, is it going to do any damage to one's OS if one upgrades to the Windows 10 OS? I haven't a clue. Is paranoia just setting in for some unknown reason? Should we Windows 7 and 8.1 OS users be concerned with this mystery patch? If so, please explain it to non-savvy PC users and advise what to do if is one is considering to upgrade to the Windows 10 OS.  ??? :o
Art, if you want windows 10 and all that goes with it, then the patch will get you that. I have learned over time that if I am happy with something, then there is no need to change it, in other words, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. It seems to me that MS has some ulterior motive to try to force everyone to 10, time will tell what it may be but I am sure it will cost us money. Some people online have already said that if you do upgrade, be sure to read every one of the notices and untick just about all of them or MS gets the right to spy on everything you do, the internet spy's on us all enough already, I do not need MS seeing everything I do and sending me more ads, trying to sell me more stuff that they think I need.

I am no expert but I read a lot and a lot of people are not happy that MS is sort of forcing everyone to 10 with this update, they have never done that before with any past operating system in my lifetime and while it is great that they offer 10 for free, I have found that nothing in life is really free and when I upgraded to 7, that a lot of my programs and my printer would no longer work. One program that I used to keep my finances was MS Money, by upgrading to 7 it forced me to go to MS Money Sunset which sucked, thus I was then forced to buy Quicken which I feel also sucks when compared to my original MS Money program that was very user friendly. I am not about to buy any other products because of an update, I am getting old and set in my ways, so I do not like change, and I sure as heck do not need any new stuff forced on me for the benefit of MS.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on October 07, 2015, 12:54:15 AM
I too would not want to upgrade to Windows 10 unless I'm forced into it. Actually, I'm still happy with Vista on my desktop until there is no longer tech support like what happened to XP, which I no longer have anyways.
That's why I was also inquiring about the Ubuntu OS, which I have not yet got a handle on it, because of laziness on my part to understanding how it works, but eventually I will still look further into Ubuntu and see if it can be a viable option as a stand alone OS instead of relying on any of the Windows operating systems, but for now what we're using, Vista and 8.1 will suffice for now since they're both working fine.       
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: JoeLP on October 07, 2015, 05:16:47 PM
Tina upgraded to windows 10 right away.  I played with hers a bit, as well as helping her by going through the install.  Then I upgraded immediately there after.  Here's what I found both with the upgrade and the new system.

1. When installing it, you are asked to setup a windows(microsoft) account.  You can use any email address you currently have, or create an actual microsoft/MSN account on their setup.  I just used my gmail and checked no on every "auto update" or "auto downloads" and gave it no permission at any time to access my information. 

2.  The install, even with the awfully slow net connection here took a total of 8 hours of download and install time total. 

3.  The new system is much lighter, quicker, and also speeds up all my other software.  I honestly don't think my computer has run this quickly since I moved here over 2 years ago.  Much more smooth and much better efficiency.  Very happy with it.

4.  It has yet to pause, catch, glitch or crash. 

My belief is that windows is trying more and more to become Apple.  Trying to "remove" dos as much as it can and put everything on the windows setup.  The games that I downloaded are now all apps.  All free.  There are many games that I already had in windows 7(all the solitaires and such) as well as many new ones.  Downloaded them and play them, but it's really becoming a "tablet style" system but on a pc.  Dos is just flat out disappearing.  This might not mean much to some or many on here, but almost all the of games I use to play were dos based games.  They still work, but seems that a few of them have been removed from the dos version to windows version and for each one I was given a free download to "update" to the new version.  I think this is where windows is going so they can better contain the softwares that are installed on their systems and better regulate their system to stop the crashes.

When I was taking computer science in college, the common thought was that Apple was more dependable, but much more restrictive to software engineers.  Now I see microsoft starting to become restrictive just like Apple.  Wanting to get more control so they can stop the "bad" from happening.  I never finished my studies in computer science and went to teaching instead.  That said, I could be way off.  That was getting a while back when windows was very small in numbers and dos ruled the world in the big games.  So, I could be way off.  Just based on the 2 years of education I got and on what I'm seeing.

I am very happy working with windows 10, that's for sure.  And I don't think any of my data has been accessed or hacked. 
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: M.C.A. on October 07, 2015, 06:07:34 PM
I'm with Joel the computer runs much faster not only on startup and shut down but I really like Win 10 but had to get around the start up log in (youtube has the fix) and download my video, sound card.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on October 07, 2015, 06:13:36 PM
JoeLP,
I'm so glad you posted your findings after upgrading to the Windows 10 OS.
Now, everyone will feel at ease and won't have any qualms about upgrading!
I just wonder how long Windows 10 will last, until another OS comes up and
when will Microsoft abandon all of the other OS still around and running?
I still like my Windows Vista and hope it stays around until I kick the bucket!
BTW, I don't like Windows 8.1 that's in our two new laptops!
I just wonder what Windows 10 will be like to use whenever I can find the 8
hours to upgrade to the new and improved Windows 10 OS?
I'm not a gamer, but I do download a lot of movies, it's my passion, I'm a
"movie junkie"! I still have at least 200 movies on my digital external memory
drive I still haven't watched yet, but getting there. I like any movie or TV series
as long it peaks my interest, gets my attention and doesn't bore me. I delete the
boring ones ASAP!   
I'm keeping my Windows Vista though in my desk top, I just love this OS!!!!!!  ::) ??? :o ;)   
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Lee2 on October 07, 2015, 06:54:19 PM
With me, it is not so much how 10 works, as the fact that they are forcing it on everyone with 7 and 8. I can understand them giving a free upgrade from 8 since it was such a hated system but why push it so hard on people who have 7 which almost everyone likes, that is what worries me. If 10 is so great, then they would easily be able to sell it to those who have 7, my point being that if any company can make money on something, then why would they not only give it away, but force it onto people for free without at the very least explaining why they are doing that.

There is really nothing for free in this world, where strings are not in someway attached, something just does not feel right. I am not telling anyone to not upgrade or that 10 is no good, I am just saying think about it, why is it free if it is so great, when no system before it was, or is free. MS could never stay in business giving away operating systems, there has to be something in it for them.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Lee2 on October 07, 2015, 07:30:56 PM
Just found this, if you do not mind paying a subscription charge down the road and forever, then go with 10, that appears to be their hidden agenda.

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Why Microsoft Announced Windows 10 Is 'The Last Version Of Windows'  [url]http://tinyurl.com/ool4lya[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/ool4lya[/url])
'Free' Windows 10 Has High Cost To Windows 7 And Windows 8 Users
You can read the complete article here [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/12/free-windows-10-has-high-cost/[/url] ([url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/12/free-windows-10-has-high-cost/[/url])
Yes, Windows 10 will be the last numbered version of the OS and going forward it will simply become a ‘Windows’ subscription service. This upsets those who don’t like the idea of a subscription service, but the biggest concern is this: while Windows 10 will seamlessly upgrade to ‘Windows’ – this is a new beginning. Your OS would evolve into a new product for which you have to pay.

When would this happen? Microsoft hasn’t put a date on it, but two major Windows 10 updates dubbed ‘Redstone’ (a Minecraft reference) have already been flagged for release in mid and late 2016 respectively.

Could this be ‘Windows’? Right now we don’t know, but with two years between Windows Vista (2007) and Windows 7 (2009), three years to Windows 8 (2012) and three years to Windows 10 (2015) you may be getting pushed to a paid subscription ‘Windows’ in 2-3 years.

Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on October 07, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
If windows 10 turns out to be a subscription type of an OS in 2 to 3 yrs, what OS is left that's free?
If I read this correctly, Apple is doing away or has done away with their Subscription type OS as stated in this article below. So, if and when Microsoft turns their Windows 10 into a paid OS subscription, it could be the down fall of Microsoft and maybe then again they will keep their last Windows OS as a free subscription to avoid any backlash from the loyal consumers that will be or now using Windows 10. So, why would Microsoft go to a OS paid subscription, it would be suicide for them wouldn't it? I really wouldn't know the answer to that down the road, if that's what Microsoft's intentions are in the near future 2 to 3 yrs from now. If that ever happens, a lot of people will be jumping off MS's band wagon, including yours truly and go over to Apple or finally try Ubuntu's free OS!  ??? :o 

http://www.wired.com/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/ (http://www.wired.com/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/)
Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems

THE DESKTOP OPERATING system is dead as a major profit center, and Apple just delivered the obituary.
Amid a slew of incremental improvements to its iPad tablets and MacBook laptops, Apple today announced some landmark news about its oldest surviving operating system: It will not charge for the latest big upgrade, Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks, breaking from a tradition that goes back 16 years and shining a light on a long-unfolding reversal in how tech profits are made. Eighteen years ago, the tech industry’s dominant company made nearly half its revenue selling OS licenses.
Now, as Apple just confirmed, the prices of OS licenses are headed towards zilch.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: JoeLP on October 08, 2015, 07:26:37 AM
Art is correct.  The dumbest thing Gates could do would be to charge for windows.  It would forever mar his and microsoft's image.  Apple could get away with it, windows cannot.  I very seriously doubt it'll ever become a charged service. 

Apple is still growing it's niche in the market.  In the 90's it was 80+% microsoft and the rest split between apple and the others.  Now Apple has climbed into the market big time, and have stopped charging for their OS. If microsoft starts to charge, the'll lose control of the market that they are already losing parts of in a slowly growing pace. 

Just don't see it happening.  Would be a major financial screw up by Gates and that man loves his money.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: M.C.A. on October 08, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
I had Windows Vista also, most people don't have that, that is hands down the slowest program, I was happy to get out of that version.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: mikbal on October 09, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
The Windows OS paid service rumor has been going around the internet for months. Microsoft has repeatedly denied it but it seems to have a life of it's own.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: JoeLP on October 11, 2015, 07:45:57 PM
The Windows OS paid service rumor has been going around the internet for months. Microsoft has repeatedly denied it but it seems to have a life of it's own.

Probably the same idiots who keep spreading rumors that Facebook is going to start to charge people to use their services also.  It just won't happen.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Lee2 on October 11, 2015, 11:11:27 PM
Time will tell but when was the last time any of us got anything for free that did not have some type of strings attached.  :-\
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: JoeLP on October 12, 2015, 07:38:40 AM
Time will tell but when was the last time any of us got anything for free that did not have some type of strings attached.  :-\

I think there are 2 things that made this OS free.  One, microsoft has taken a beating in the rep department with windows 8.  Many of the buyers went back to windows 7 and left a lot to be desired with microsoft in there ratings of the then new system.  Even with the winows 8 upgrade to 8.1 or whatever it was still badly received.  So making windows 10 free helps reverse the negativity. 

Second, now that they have all their systems lined up to work together much better(pc, tablet, phones) they will be much more effective in selling their apps.  For example, VLC is free.  Just go to the VLC website.  OR, you can go to the app store and pay about $5 or so.  Can't remember the exact price, but Tina made mention of that after upgrading to windows 10 and wanting VLC reloaded onto her computer.

She told me of more apps that are in the app store that cost money, but are free on the apps own website outside the store.  Basically, for the "lazy buyers" there is a lot of money to be made on the app store.  And now that they have thrown out(at least to some extent) the media player and are pushing the Groove app that is their own version of itunes...the money will be coming in. 

For those who are willing to look into things before downloading, the costs won't be going up.  But, there are millions in this world that just take the easy, more expensive route, and those people will be lining Gates bank accounts nicely.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Lee2 on February 06, 2016, 09:57:01 AM
They are still trying to force that update on my computers, my wife's and my laptop got that darn patch yet again for the 4th time after a windows update and once again I had to uninstall the patch and then go back to updates and hide that update, I am sick and tired of them trying to ram it down my throat, therefore I will most likely never upgrade to 10 even if they decide to pay people to do so, and I have now set updates where I have to approve them before they install.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: bigrod on February 06, 2016, 04:48:47 PM
FYI:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/05/free-windows-10-true-cost/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix#5c5f864e593f (http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/05/free-windows-10-true-cost/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix#5c5f864e593f)


Chuck
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on February 06, 2016, 05:27:15 PM
I saw that earlier. MS is hell bent on everyone upgrading. My gut instincts tell me the NSA is behind this push to get better access to your privacy.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: JoeLP on February 06, 2016, 06:33:00 PM
A legit concern.  But, there are safeguards to stop any spying by windows 10.  When I installed it I denied any rights for them to "spy" on my computer.  After I got done, I went a step further and reloaded my norton 360 and used it to check an make sure all spyware was gone on my laptop.  I only found a couple items and only one of those was set with microsoft.  I then used the windows guardian(the windows defender on windows 10) to do the same scan and if found all but the microsoft one.  Go figure.

Anyway, every now and then I'll scan and so far no more microsoft spyware has been found.  Been more than a couple months now.  Hopefully it stays this way.
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on February 06, 2016, 11:38:26 PM
I just hope Bill Gates and his think tank of geniuses and or experts will think of a another new Windows OS soon, even before windows 10 screws up everything.
Would an Ubuntu OS http://tinyurl.com/z5he8ov (http://tinyurl.com/z5he8ov) be an alternate OS that could replace any Windows OS without any issues? I really haven't looked into Ubuntu yet just reading about it once in awhile, but I'm still interested if it would be a good alternate OS other than Windows.   
Title: Re: Mystery patch KB 3035583 for Windows 7 and 8 revealed
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