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Living in The Philippines => Getting here and back and getting items here and back => Topic started by: bigpearl on March 09, 2016, 04:23:28 AM

Title: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on March 09, 2016, 04:23:28 AM
Here is a quote from a Company in Manila to move our belongings.
Dear Sir,

Please see below rate for 20'ft

Mode of Service : Door to Door
Ex-works
1x20'ft Container

A.) Origin Charge to Manila Port
Australian Origin Charges
Professional Packing at Residence, Loading and Delivery to Port -          USD    4,844.73
Australian Terminal Charges                                                   -          USD       647.62
Management / Agency Fee / Customs per Bill of Lading                        USD       193.13

Seafreight and Surcharges                                                                                                                         
Seafreight & Surcharges                                                                    USD       700.00
Shipping Line Doc Fee per Bill of Lading                                               USD         73.33 

Total Origin Charges to Manila Port                                                    USD     6,458.81 @ 47.15 = Php 304,532.89


B.) Local Charges Manila Port to La union

     a.)   Releasing in Manila - PHP 65,000.00 - Exclusive of duties and taxes, receipted charges and shipping charges.
         (This includes Processing, Handling, Docs & stamps Brokerage fees, arrastre/wharfage and Stripping Charges, Examination fee and DOF Processing)

     b.)   Delivery Charges    : Php 65,000.00/40’ft La Union (new rate as per ACTO and CTAP trucker’s fee)
     c.)   Shipping Charges   : Php 35,000.00/40’ft (due to additional charge of ECRS, CIC and IPCS)
     d.)   Demurrage Fee            : if any /billed at cost (7 days free time only from the date of arrival)
     e.)   Storage Fee       : if any/Billed at cost (5 days free from time of arrival at the port)
     f.)    Duty and Taxes    : at cost (depends on the DOF if they will grant your application for Duty and Tax Free)

ECRS    : Emergency Congestion Recovery Surcharge
CIC            : Container Imbalance Charge
IPCS            : Import Port Congestion Surcharge

Total Origin Charges and Manila Charge to Door = Php 469,532.89/20'ft

Reminders:
Please note that Demurrage, Storage charges and Duty and Taxes is excluded on our rate it may incur this charges as per note above.


Note: All Items must be declared. And cargo such as Electronics, Jewelries, and others that value is above 10,000.00 is subject to additional duty and taxes. Gun’s is prohibited.

Terms of Payment    : Full payment 2 days prior on vessel arrival.

Let me know if you have any other concerns and questions.

I am sure that would not be the end of the costs no matter what company we use and further to this is the problem with duties, no one can seem to answer my question on the US $7k exempt import duty, I have tried and will continue to chase an answer from customs and DOF, no one at this stage can help, it would appear that we are at the mercy of the customs valuer.
It is ludicrous to think one would move their household contents/belongings and only being allowed US $7k duty free.

A thought occurred, maybe I could lobby PRA into reviewing this, now theres something to get my teeth into, will keep updating as time goes on.

Maybe the moderators would like me to start a new thread on this?

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Lee2 on March 09, 2016, 06:18:01 AM
Maybe the moderators would like me to start a new thread on this?

Cheers, Steve
Thanks Steve for your thoughtfulness posting this and considering it to be a new topic, I split the post and made it a new topic so it will be easier for other readers and members to find, great info, thanks again for posting it.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on March 09, 2016, 08:18:32 AM
Hi all, back again.
More costings, Mentioned in another post that it would cost us about AU $12K to move with a 20 ft shipping container, that was a guesstimate based on this. A reputable company in Australia,,,,,, looks good until you get to Manila,,,,,,,as follows:

Purchase a 20 ft in service container    AU $2.5K
Delivered to my address, left here for 1 to 2 months for us to pack/inventory etc. (with then gives us time to sell the property) then ship.
Pick up container/Brisbane/Sydney/Singapore/Manila, register with Australian customs, container parking slot fee, Australian export/entry terminal security, Brisbane port charges, fuel levies etc.     Au $ 6.2K

Looking good so far,,,,but,,,, This company will not deal with the off loading in Manila, they have learnt from bitter experience that it is too hard, (more fun in the Philippines) I apparently need to deal with a local broker and have available plenty of brown paper bags, this I don't doubt from my time both working and living there.
So I look at the cost of the Manila company,,,,,PHP 165 K about AU $ 5K
OZ and PI companys,,,,, AU $ 11.2 K
PI company, a tad under AU $ 15 K

We don't mind spending that sort of money to move as we could not replace a quarter of our belongings for that sort of cost.
PI duties and taxes, no one seems to be able to help, still working on that.

Cheers, Steve.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: conchydong on March 09, 2016, 08:22:25 AM
Looks like the bulk of the expense is not the shipping but the "professional packing". I wonder if you could arrange for them to drop off the container at your residence and you hire your own packers at a lesser price or pack it yourself, even if you have to sign a damage waiver. Couldn't be that difficult.

Edit: I posted before I saw your updated info. I think you would be better off purchasing the container and packing yourself. You could always sell the container in the PI. I have seen homes made out of these.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: cogon88 on March 09, 2016, 08:24:04 AM
The local broker can give you a costing on the local duty and tax,

The Vat tax is 12% of the total cost of goods with shipping expense and duty added in. Most likely it will be 5% of declared value of goods do not under declare as they will confiscate your goods

Welcome to the Jungle
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: iamjames on March 09, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
That seems a huge price for a 20foot. Certainly I would pack it myself. I have been quoted about AUS$5000 to ship from Ireland.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on March 09, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Hi readers, 3 replies here.
CONCHYDONG, yes it would appear that the Aussie companies deal looks better and I can pack it myself, have done that personally and also with SEG where we ship 70 odd containers annually (20 and 40 footers), space is a premium and they're exempt from duties as long as what we bring in leaves again. SEG has done this twice in the last 4 years in PH.
I can pack our belongings and still get insurance with the Aussie shipping company.
We would keep the container once landed at home in PH, firstly giving us time to unpack and secondly extra storage/workshop etc.

COGON88, the local broker/company we are dealing with does not want to know about VAT or duties, that, apparently is in the hands of the Gods and that we need to talk to them,,,,,,,,,,,,am trying but like bashing your head against a brick wall. they have never heard of the SRRV etc, etc.

IAMJAMES, that appears to be the cost after many quotes, is your price of AU 5K landed in Manila or another port still on the boat or to your door including all costs? I have been to Ireland many years ago and know that it is at least 11,000 kms to PH and OZ is 4600 kms to PH.
If your rates tally up please let me know and I will approach your shipping company, keep us posted.

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: cogon88 on March 09, 2016, 03:41:03 PM
If your talking to a local broker that does not know about duties vat and the clearances for customs under the SRRV then you need another broker make sure you have all you paper work from the BI for your SRRv and the paper work from them for your duty free importation  if you ship it before you have this and the shipment arrives here ail be hell to pay and you'll be paying it
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on March 09, 2016, 04:06:48 PM
Hi all, yes so far I have talked to 2 brokers in Manila and both have never heard of tax/duty exemptions regarding the SRRV, they have never heard of it until I have approached then,,,,,hence, Sir that will be customs and BOF, as I said in another post no one I have spoken to in those departments knows what I am talking about,,,,,,,good thing I have plenty of time to research/hassle the powers that be and I will be doing that starting with the PRA.
If you know of a broker that is up to speed on all this let me know and I will gladly talk to them.
Wish me luck, lol.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: cogon88 on March 09, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
Good Luck Steve in advance

I use DHL Global i Manila for clearances

I did have a waver from the Department of Agriculture  a few years back on some equipment

if the SRRV wavier is like that you get there letter of certification from them on your import item

Your broker then takes it to the DOF who then issuers an exemption from duty and then your broker presents there certification to the BOC at the time of clearance

But if its just a few thousand dollars exemption it is probably not worth your time and hassle to go through all that mess

Good luck on the move wish you the best of luck

Tom
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: M.C.A. on June 02, 2016, 04:24:22 AM
You could save a ton of money if you have your 13a Visa or a resident here's a pdf file that explains, not sure who you would check with in Australia but it would be a Philippine Consulate.

http://www.philippineembassy-usa.org/uploads/pdfs/DutyFreeImportation.pdf (http://www.philippineembassy-usa.org/uploads/pdfs/DutyFreeImportation.pdf)

Should be a similar procedure for Australia.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Big Jim on June 02, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
I have had to pay to set up an apartment 3 times now. The last time after being wiped out by typhoon yolanda.

A full 2 bedroom apartment of furniture does not cost me P469,000.

This place has sold me multiple beds, sofa sets and TV's
http://www.cebuappliancecenter.com/ (http://www.cebuappliancecenter.com/)
Check them to get an idea of prices

Then see if it is worthwhile paying to send your stuff from Australia.

My personal very strong suggestion is to sell, give away or store most of what you have and just send the stuff that is precious to you by balikbayan box.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Big Jim on June 02, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
If you don't know what a balikbayan box is

It is a tea chest sized cardboard box. You fill it with what ever you want. Most people charge by the box not by weight. So you just fill it with as much as you can. It costs about aud $200 to send a box. It arrives about 6 weeks later at your address in the Philippines. Check at your nearest asian store to see if they do balikbayan boxes.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 02, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
Forez shipping boxes presently cost less than $100. We've sent several that weighed over 150 lbs with no problems.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Big Jim on June 02, 2016, 05:36:27 PM
Forez shipping boxes presently cost less than $100. We've sent several that weighed over 150 lbs with no problems.
What currency and country are you referring to?
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigrod on June 02, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
What currency and country are you referring to?
Since Gray Wolf lives in the USA I would think he is referring to there and the US$.

Chuck
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 03, 2016, 03:14:39 AM
What currency and country are you referring to?

Sorry... From the US to the Philippines. US dollars
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Big Jim on June 03, 2016, 06:27:53 AM
Since Gray Wolf lives in the USA I would think he is referring to there and the US$.

Chuck
And because you know he lives in the USA, that makes it ok does it?

On a thread discussing transferring household goods from Australia to the Philippines?

When I was asked back, I said I am not interested because the forums are too focused on the USA. Which holds no interest for me.

I was assured that things had changed. Well apparently not.

So thankyou all. This is my last post on  these forums.

Please don't ask me back again.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Lee2 on June 03, 2016, 08:25:34 AM
And because you know he lives in the USA, that makes it ok does it?

On a thread discussing transferring household goods from Australia to the Philippines?

When I was asked back, I said I am not interested because the forums are too focused on the USA. Which holds no interest for me.

I was assured that things had changed. Well apparently not.

So thankyou all. This is my last post on  these forums.

Please don't ask me back again.

Sorry to see you go Jim, mistakes happen.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 03, 2016, 08:52:53 AM
And because you know he lives in the USA, that makes it ok does it?

On a thread discussing transferring household goods from Australia to the Philippines?

When I was asked back, I said I am not interested because the forums are too focused on the USA. Which holds no interest for me.

I was assured that things had changed. Well apparently not.

So thankyou all. This is my last post on  these forums.

Please don't ask me back again.

Well, excuse the hell out of me, "Big Jim"! FOREX is an international shipper. Sorry that I don't have the balikbayan box shipping rates worldwide memorized just for you. And don't worry about me inviting you back! >:(

You know what? Y'all can just count me out, too. I came back simply to get reacquainted with the group and get some up to date info for my own move. But thanks to "Big Jim", and a few other issues with the forum, it just ain't worth it for me. Good luck, folks. Maybe some of you will see me in the mall or on a beach some day. Adios muchachos! Over and out!
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Lee2 on June 03, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
Okay lets get back on topic, hope everyone cools down and come back whenever they are ready to. For Gods sake guys this is a forum, not something to get upset about, there are much more important things in life for anyone to let a forum upset them this much.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigrod on June 03, 2016, 10:33:50 AM
This reply is from me as a member not as a moderator.  This forum is for ALL of the members to exchange ideas/lessons learned/ask questions/etc.  Do we get off topic at times of course, we are human and fallible.  In this instance GreyWolf provided the information that he knew from his experience, which I have no problem with personally.  I have never been to Australia and have no idea what the shipping charges are from there, but if I lived there I am sure I could google it if I needed the information.  As to the forum being to USA focused, that might be because more USA members post on the forum.  It does not stop me from reading any and all the post no matter where the member is located. I will post on the topics that interest me and not ones that do not, as any member can.  The more post the better from my view of the forum.  I think many members including myself have gained valuable information/insight over the years from the different posts/topics.  I would never ask anyone to stay a member of the forum if they are uncomfortable with the way it functions.  We are all adults and can make our own decisions, I hope.

Chuck
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: BudM on June 03, 2016, 11:07:00 AM
Apparently, from what has been said, Australia has a lot higher shipping rates than the US.  Must be little competition for shipping and sounds like someone is making a killing off their people.

Maybe, the Australian (I think) OP threw a little confusion in the the thread on his original post.  Talking about shipping from Australia and listing the quotes in USD.

I will give D30 a call and see if he will look in to all of it.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: M.C.A. on June 03, 2016, 12:44:34 PM


With the power of the Internet once an expat gives me valuable information I can research the rest.  We help each other out and should stick together as a team.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Jimmy on June 03, 2016, 02:38:09 PM
No Comment... :o
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on June 03, 2016, 07:52:51 PM
Hi Bud, the US dollar quote for shipping came from the company in Manila, I copied and pasted. The AU dollar prices are from Australia.
I have pretty much put the push on moving on the back burners for now, will get there eventually.
Thanks to all for the input so far from every one.
Cheer, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: BudM on June 04, 2016, 02:10:12 AM
Hi Bud, the US dollar quote for shipping came from the company in Manila, I copied and pasted. The AU dollar prices are from Australia.
I have pretty much put the push on moving on the back burners for now, will get there eventually.
Thanks to all for the input so far from every one.
Cheer, Steve

Well, just for comparison as to why I think the shipping is too high no matter what country you are in, I sent 8 large balikbayan boxes at 65 USD each which appears at the current time to be 88.42 AUD.  So yeah, I think about 200 AUD, as another poster was saying he paid, is way too high.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: iamjames on June 04, 2016, 02:35:15 AM
I have decided to freight Balikbayan boxes from Ireland because I have been offered a price of about 75$US. The only constraint is that it must be capable of being carried by two men! I have decided to send 12,000 childrens books that way as it is collected from any point and delivered to the door in the Philippines.
As for the handbag fight with members over the $ sign - if you are that fickle then maybe leaving is the best option. If you are incapable of differentiating between currency differences then you probably don't have much to contribute. We are ALL 'foreigners' in the Philippines no matter what nationality or colour. Nationality is secondary to the fact that we are not natives. This is the same in every country so we should learn to accept it.


(Remove political comment, let's please leave politics for the politics section)
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: blindman on June 04, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
Well, excuse the hell out of me, "Big Jim"! FOREX is an international shipper. Sorry that I don't have the balikbayan box shipping rates worldwide memorized just for you. And don't worry about me inviting you back! >:(

You know what? Y'all can just count me out, too. I came back simply to get reacquainted with the group and get some up to date info for my own move. But thanks to "Big Jim", and a few other issues with the forum, it just ain't worth it for me. Good luck, folks. Maybe some of you will see me in the mall or on a beach some day. Adios muchachos! Over and out!
I have to comment on this exchange.  Grey Wolf has added valuable insight to this forum and  hope he reconsiders dropping out.  Forget Big Jim.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on June 04, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
Ok. This has gone on long enough. We are all part of his forum. Jack especially. Without you, we wouldn't have had a forum in the 1st place. Jim, why are you fighting over a currency? Remember the rule attack the post not the poster? You've been here long enough to know better. Now all of you just take a deep breath, count to 10 then knock it off. Then let's all get back to running a good forum. Thank you all.......
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: trevor on June 04, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
Ok. This has gone on long enough. We are all part of his forum. Jack especially. Without you, we wouldn't have had a forum in the 1st place. Jim, why are you fighting over a currency? Remember the rule attack the post not the poster? You've been here long enough to know better. Now all of you just take a deep breath, count to 10 then knock it off. Then let's all get back to running a good forum. Thank you all.......

Wow guys lets not get too personal with things here. I have been a member of this forum since 2006. Not a big contributor mainly because of my nature. I am a listener, doer, but not a big talker. We are adults and are free to do as we please.
Well the forum is just a forum for us to exchange ideas, information and maybe be friends. I always like this forum because i think the posters here are more mature and respectful compare to other forum where your every post is attacked, critiqued or what ever. Lets all have a beer. Cheers :D
Me personally i do not take anything said here personally and
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Gray Wolf on June 05, 2016, 12:06:32 AM
I'm still here. Sorry for my "rant". Those of you who have known me for a long time, know that I can get very defensive when I'm attacked. For putting all of you through that, I'm sorry. And for those of you who sent PM's, emails and have posted kind words here in public, "Thank You" to all of you. I'm not going anywhere. This forum is a part of me, like one of my own children.

For our Aussie friend bigpearl, here's the link to FOREX World Australia:  https://www.forexworld.com.au/

Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on June 05, 2016, 02:08:21 PM
Glad you're still here Jack and all those who make this forum great. Hats off also to Lee, D, Chuck & Joe for keeping this forum running top notch. Between my health and the office, it's hard for me to be here all the time. TY again.
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on June 05, 2016, 05:55:35 PM
Hi Gray wolf, thanks for the info on "Forex", I checked out their website, looks like only Balikbayan boxes but I will give them a call this week and see if the do the shipping container scenario outlined at the start of this post. Our local Asian store in Maroochydore in Queensland do the Balikbayan boxes, I will speak to them also about cost and report back, again thanks to all for your input.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on June 06, 2016, 04:17:46 PM
Hi all, Spoke to "Forex" today and they can't help/don't do full shipping containers for the general public only Balikbayan boxes, large size is AU$ 130.
including insurance.
Our local Asian store run by Filipinos do the large size for $140. My better half asked about insurance etc. and he had no Idea, probably a drop off point for "Forex" or the likes.
Interestingly though, it turns out this guys wife is from the same city as my partner,,,,,,,,,,,,no wonder the conversation went on for 10 minutes. LOL, no discounts offered though.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: FMSINC on June 07, 2016, 06:29:52 AM
Big Pearl go to the DHL site on the internet look for the ocean fright division they can arrange shipment of a 40 Foot Container for you Or just contact there office in Manila or your country where your shipping from. Also it may be cheaper for you to buy a last use container that way its shipped directly to your location and no charge for return figure the cost of 1200 USD 20 footer or 1500 USD for 40 footer

Good Luck
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on June 07, 2016, 06:45:35 AM
Wow, thanks FMSINC that's great info, funny though I did look at their website many months ago and only found boxes, document mailing etc. maybe I should have had a mummy look instead of a daddy look.
Again thanks and I will look into it and give an update.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: 20 ft shipping container Australia to Manila
Post by: bigpearl on June 07, 2016, 07:54:54 AM
Hi all, thanks for the info FMSINC but was a dead end, I spoke to them and yes they ship containers through out the world but in Australia only commercial not personal household etc. They put me onto 2 other companies that could help but yet again those 2 companies only did boxes etc.
Frustrating as you would think DHL would know companies that ship personal containers. All  this aside I do have access to 2 companies that can ship for us to Manila and another company from Manila to La Union.

What I can not find out is correct info on taxes and import duties for personal belongings shipped to the Philippines. I am slack, as I said in an earlier post on this thread that I would speak to PRA regarding taxes and the SRRV but have not to date, maybe DU30 will raise the threshold on this issue as is being done with Balikbayan boxes, we will see.
Cheers, Steve