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Offline drpeterb

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Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« on: July 28, 2014, 06:12:44 PM »
Hi everybody

I am hopefully starting my first boat build in Sta Ana, Cagayan Valley during August. Although I am still based in the UK for work, my family have already left the UK for good and are starting our house build in Sta Ana. My wonderful wife has allowed me to build a boat shed - not just for the Argie 15, but for a larger build after.......

I have the Dudley Dix Argie 15 plans (in PDF as well as paper versions - to try and keep the originals in good condition, despite my UK/Philippines commuting). Some tools, we will source in the Philippines, and some are in a container with our household belongings, due to arrive mid-August.

We are trying to source epoxy resin, glass cloth and epoxy fillers, together with 6mm marine ply (10 sheets) over the next 2 weeks. If anyone has any recommendations, it would be a real help. We are also looking for a table saw, planer/thicknesser and air compressor. These are not really needed for the first build, but are a "nice to have". They will also be used for our house build and the next boat project. I am travelling light from Manila to Sta Ana when I land from the UK in 2 weeks, but we do have to travel frequently to Manila as part of the sourcing for our house project, but obviously, if there is any availability more locally (perhaps Aparri or Tuguegarao) that would be much better.

It will not be a quick build, as my holidays will be my only opportunity to work on the project. However, I will take a little more holiday each year until I move across for good in about 4 years. We are in a typhoon prone area, so keeping everything safe and fairly dry in the intervals between my building stints will be a consideration! Our internet out there is a bit patchy, but I will try and post pictures when I can.

I started my sailing in small dinghies some 40 years plus ago. The Argie 15 will be a great family boat for local messing about and to teach my family the basics of sailing.

This is the youtube link for another Arige 15 build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxJAI8iOcOk - part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEdfMtvfqc - part 2

I have also attached a picture of a nice centreboard example (centreboard an option, daggerboard normally).

Really looking forward to the challenge of the build, and of course the sailing!

Fair winds

Peter
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM »
It looks a very pretty dinghy, very much a stable family cruiser. Built in the same style as the old Mirror dinghy but that was not too stable. I raced an OK dinghy for many years but my back would not stand all the hanging out now :(

The only problem I could see would be getting good quality marine ply. You should be able to get all the tools in Manila although I have not seen a planer/thicknesser.
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2014, 08:31:15 PM »
Good luck with the build Peter, I wish you luck with sourcing materials in the Philippines. Sounds a good project and an enjoyable pastime when completed. Let us know how your house and boat building progress, I am sure many members will be interested.

Paul
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2014, 08:41:27 PM »
Hi Colin

I used to race Solo's, Fireballs, Laser and Laser II and Mirror 14 (became Marauder) and a few others.  I sailed an OK a few times, great fun, but I was a little light to be competitive in that.  I have completed Yachtmaster (Coastal) more recently, so am confident in handling a cruiser.

Plywood does seem to be an issue, I have a few on the case.  There is availability in Manila and probably Tuguegarao for the smaller sizes.  Epoxy resin also needs to be from Manila itself, but they will deliver via bus to Tuguegarao.

I was going to go straight to a bigger build, but figured that testing the ground with a smaller one was wise.  Also, for teaching the rest of the family sailing basics, there is nothing better than a small 2-3 person craft.  It will also be fun to use off the beach and for a bit of local coast hopping.  Whilst not as scenic as Palawan (I am told) Sta Ana is still a pretty place to explore.

Thanks for the comments. Maybe the back would hold out with a gentle cruise...

Kind regards

Peter
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 08:52:30 PM »
Hi Paul

Thank you for you comments.

House build started just over a week ago and from the pictures, seems to be progressing well.  I will try and start another topic/thread and put a few pictures on periodically.  This forum has been a great help already and I am sure continued advice will be sought from more experienced members.

Although my wife (Elvie) was brought up in Sta Ana, she has lived away from the Philippines for more than 20 years.  I have visited many times over the last 10 years, but both of us are expecting difficulties adapting to the local approach of house building and the cultural differences from the UK....  We hope to complete building before next April holiday as we will have a pool and a few cottages to rent out.  Ideally, it will be possible to use part of the house at least by Christmas.   Reasonable Weather and good project management might make this possible for 2014/15 rather than 2015/16.......

Kind regards

Peter
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2014, 09:16:57 PM »
Hi Colin

I used to race Solo's, Fireballs, Laser and Laser II and Mirror 14 (became Marauder) and a few others.  I sailed an OK a few times, great fun, but I was a little light to be competitive in that.  I have completed Yachtmaster (Coastal) more recently, so am confident in handling a cruiser.

Plywood does seem to be an issue, I have a few on the case.  There is availability in Manila and probably Tuguegarao for the smaller sizes.  Epoxy resin also needs to be from Manila itself, but they will deliver via bus to Tuguegarao.

I was going to go straight to a bigger build, but figured that testing the ground with a smaller one was wise.  Also, for teaching the rest of the family sailing basics, there is nothing better than a small 2-3 person craft.  It will also be fun to use off the beach and for a bit of kcal coast hopping.  Whilst not a scenic as Palawan (I am told) Sta Ana is still a pretty place to explore.

Thanks for the comments. Maybe the back would hold out with a gentle cruise...

Kind regards

Peter

I was also a little light at the time, but not now:(. I could always get up on a plane sooner than anyone else in gusty conditions and hold it longer, but struggled in a good blow. The trouble with 2 man boats is getting a crew and I did crew occasionally but preferred to be the one deciding the tactics :)
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 09:29:15 PM »
Yes, I think one of the biggest problems with cultural differences is when faced with a house build there. If you have researched this on forums such as this you will be aware of the pitfalls that may befall unwary expats. Apart from being a fellow sailor Colin also built his own house and there is an excellent thread on this forum detailing it.

Still being mainly based in the UK at present we took the easier route and bought new in a sub division, though that was not without its own problems as Shirley's family had to 'project manage' the build.

If I did it again i would make sure we were there to ensure we got exactly what we wanted and needed, but I think we ended up 90% happy - we will just have to throw some money at the other 10% when we spend more time there!
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 07:33:50 AM »
Apart from being a fellow sailor Colin also built his own house and there is an excellent thread on this forum detailing it.


Thanks for the plug Paul, but I can't find that thread now, it seems to have been deleted ??? I put a lot of effort into posting about the house for the benifit of members, most of what I contributed is on my web site http://thephilippinejournal.wikifoundry.com/page/Our+Present+Home but there were a lot of contributions by other members that now seem to be lost. I hope I am wrong :-\

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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 08:50:42 PM »
Yes, I think one of the biggest problems with cultural differences is when faced with a house build there. If you have researched this on forums such as this you will be aware of the pitfalls that may befall unwary expats. Apart from being a fellow sailor Colin also built his own house and there is an excellent thread on this forum detailing it.

Still being mainly based in the UK at present we took the easier route and bought new in a sub division, though that was not without its own problems as Shirley's family had to 'project manage' the build.

If I did it again i would make sure we were there to ensure we got exactly what we wanted and needed, but I think we ended up 90% happy - we will just have to throw some money at the other 10% when we spend more time there!

Part of the reason for the difficult decision for the rest of my family to relocate ahead of my retirement, was to ensure my wife could be there full time to supervise the house build.  She is on site virtually from dawn to dusk 7 days a week.  I kept as low a profile as possible to this point and until the build is completed.  Partly to reduce the risk of being given westerner treatment with quotes, and partly to ensure my clumsy attempts at understanding the cultures and sensibilities required when project managing did not backfire.  I have read a lot about Colin's build already, it has been very helpful, as have other threads.

I suspect Elvie being on site (and being the determined perfectionist she is), we might get to 95% happy.  The last 5%, in the Philippines......  It won't be from lack of trying.

I will try and start a thread on the build with a few photos during my visits over the next 6 months or so.  The architect does seem to be showcasing the build too.  If you look on Facebook with my name Peter Brook or the architect Allan Jay Agluba Tabutol you can see pictures of the early groundwork.

Thank you again for the interest shown and advice given. 

Peter

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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 11:32:44 PM »
Good, fresh (live) seafood in Santa Ana.  My wife and her best friend (best friend's relatives live there) go there every so often.  She always brings back some live lobsters.  We live in Tuguegarao City.

New international airport opening next year near Santa Ana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cagayan_International_Airport
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2014, 05:43:14 AM »
Good, fresh (live) seafood in Santa Ana.  My wife and her best friend (best friend's relatives live there) go there every so often.  She always brings back some live lobsters.  We live in Tuguegarao City.

New international airport opening next year near Santa Ana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cagayan_International_Airport


You don't know how much I am looking forward to the airport opening!  If we could fly to Cagayan instead of Manila, then transferring, would save 16 hours by road, or an overnight stop, flight to Tuguegarao, then 3 hours by road!  Either option is tough on top of the flight time from the UK.  Will be interesting to see what airports/routes it will serve when operating.  Not expecting a direct flight from the UK, but if it links with flights to Hong Kong, Singapore or Malaysia, plenty of UK flights could connect.

We have passed the airport by car.  It is only 1 hour from our beach lot.... 

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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2014, 06:50:17 AM »
Apart from being a fellow sailor Colin also built his own house and there is an excellent thread on this forum detailing it.


Thanks for the plug Paul, but I can't find that thread now, it seems to have been deleted ??? I put a lot of effort into posting about the house for the benifit of members, most of what I contributed is on my web site http://thephilippinejournal.wikifoundry.com/page/Our+Present+Home but there were a lot of contributions by other members that now seem to be lost. I hope I am wrong :-\


It's not gone, wasn't removed or deleted by anyone.  Here's the original link:

Building our house in the Philippines

http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?topic=16849.msg16849#msg16849



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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2014, 07:04:46 AM »

Will be interesting to see what airports/routes it will serve when operating.  Not expecting a direct flight from the UK, but if it links with flights to Hong Kong, Singapore or Malaysia, plenty of UK flights could connect.


From Wikipedia: 

"The international airport will be the international gateway in Northeast Luzon. Initially, it could serve Domestic flights to other airports in the country and International flights to Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and China."
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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2014, 07:21:52 AM »
Apart from being a fellow sailor Colin also built his own house and there is an excellent thread on this forum detailing it.


Thanks for the plug Paul, but I can't find that thread now, it seems to have been deleted ??? I put a lot of effort into posting about the house for the benifit of members, most of what I contributed is on my web site http://thephilippinejournal.wikifoundry.com/page/Our+Present+Home but there were a lot of contributions by other members that now seem to be lost. I hope I am wrong :-\


It's not gone, wasn't removed or deleted by anyone.  Here's the original link:

Building our house in the Philippines

http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?topic=16849.msg16849#msg16849


Sorry Jack, I did not realise that there was more than one page for 'Building in the Philippines' just a senior moment  :(

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Re: Building a Boat in Sta Ana Cagayan Valley
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2014, 11:14:13 AM »
FYI:  There is a website for boats & boat-building in the PHI, the address is  http://www.pinoyboats.org/forum/index.php?sid=8804e466922f21641358577d4a6d1556.  Allen
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