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Offline Justica

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If your government have laws that prohibit you from partaking in certain activities, they obviously have these laws for good reasons.

If a person or persons, hiding behind a company name, from another country, offer a service that allows citizens in your country to
participate in activities where they are committing criminal offences, doesn't that make the persons offering the service guilty of
aiding and abetting in crimes were other people will break the law and commit crimes that can carry a heavy jail sentence?

Shouldn't law enforcement be targeting these people / companies and putting them out of business and make sure they are prosecuted?
The company involved should be held responsible for their part in aiding and abetting these crimes, even if they are not the principal offender.

I'd like to hear your views on this.

Offline Lee2

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IMHO anyone and everyone who breaks the laws of any country deserves to be punished, I suspect there is a point you are trying to get at, lets hear it but be sure to be generic.
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Offline bcnorth

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I suggest to Justica that he may wish to read “A Dirty Business” by George Packer in the June 27th 2011 New Yorker. Although it doesn’t deal with Filipinos, it does deal with East Indians on Main Street. It explains how the FBI and the Securities and Exchange Commission went after the thieves on Wall Street, U.S. who bought and sold information illegally that ultimately led to the downfall of  major investment house elites in 2008. Of particular interest is the shady line between what is legal and what is illegal and also how companies were set up outside the U.S. to hide what was taking place. There is what almost seems to be a follow-up article entitled “The Showman” by  Jeffery Tobin in the May 9th , 2016 New Yorker . There is an explanation how the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Preet Bharara, throws fear into the financially corrupt on Wall Street. Once again, Filipinos are not involved, but East Indians are much involved.  What is nicely pointed out is that whether Republicans are in power or Democrats are in power the corruption has flourished. That is, what might seem to be corrupt is found not to be a corrupt practice, and even visa versa.

Offline Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am

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The company involved should be held responsible for their part in aiding and abetting these crimes, even if they are not the principal offender.
I'd like to hear your views on this.
Without any specifics, no one on here can comment to your OP.
Since this is your only your 2nd post, we would appreciate you introducing yourself so we know who you are and where you're coming from.
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Offline Big Jim

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I suggest to Justica that he may wish to read
They may be a he but an "A" on the end indicates to me that the person is a female.


And for Justica, I agree that if there is law that is broken, anyone assisting should be held liable too.
I used to wonder what it would be like to read other people's minds.

Then I got a facebook account and now I am over it.

Offline bcnorth

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Big Jim,
I defer to you that Justica is a female rather than a male. The questions she asks are similar, if not the same, as the many, many questions that have been asked about the very recent Panama City scandal and the financial firm, Mossack Fonseca, that has hidden literally hundreds of millions of dollars from tax collectors. More to the point, those hiding the money are guilty of offenses, but the firm doing the hiding, Mossack Fonseca, maintains it didn't know the money it was hiding was money that should have been paid in taxes. So far the company has been charged with a criminal offense by no one. As an aside, the Prime Minister of Iceland had to resign because of is dealings with Mossack Fonseca, but the Panamanian company was not charged.

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Without any specifics, no one on here can comment to your OP.
Since this is your only your 2nd post, we would appreciate you introducing yourself so we know who you are and where you're coming from.

I agree with Art.  Perhaps in the fullness of time it will become clear what this has to do with living in the PI.  The 2 posts to date seem to bear little connection with what this forum is about.

If your government have laws that prohibit you from partaking in certain activities, they obviously have these laws for good reasons.

Justica reposes far more confidence than I in governments.  My experience has been that not all laws are backed by good reason.  An example.  When I was a kid, lotteries and buying lottery tickets was illegal in Canada.  There was a black market trade in Irish Sweepstakes tickets, facilitated by offshore companies in some instances. 

It is difficult to ascribe "good reason" to that law when, within a few years, the Canadian government became a major lottery supporter.  In every province now there are lotteries running non-stop and the government rakes in billions, most of which is spent in ways to does little for the average Canadian. 

Fortunately, when the anti-lottery law was on the books, I do not believe that a lot of Canadian taxpayers' money went into making sure those trafficking in lottery tickets were hunted down and prosecuted which, according to Justica, should have occurred. 

Offline bcnorth

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Hestercrefter, I am not arguing whether governments should or should not uphold its laws. Rather I am merely pointing out that a firm in Panama was identified by hackers breaking into the companies accounting system. It turns out that money obtained illegally was being hidden by the Panamanian company and the question has continually come up whether this third party firm can be charged for hiding the money? Justica posts the question, "If a person or persons, hiding behind a company name, from another country, offer a service that allows citizens in your country to participate in activities where they are committing criminal offences, doesn't that make the persons offering the service guilty of aiding and abetting in crimes? Right now that question is being asked by the citizenry in a number of countries who have discovered that government officials were hiding money. Articles in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fortune and the New Yorker have discussed whether third parties were liable. I admit I have not seen this issue come up in a Philippine paper.

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bcnorth, I take your point and nothing I wrote was intended to be in response to (or in any disagreement with) your post.

Offline Justica

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Apologizes for my late reply, I'm working away from home a lot.

I have a couple of subject I'd like to bring to your attention but this issue concerns me the most.
And We'd like to know why nothing is being done to prosecute the culprits, the people providing the facilities ie. websites.

It might not be the right topic for this forum, but this is Laws, Regulations category and I just want to let people know that
there are people out there, in other countries that do actually care about other people's well being, and I don't think it's
right that any young person, especially young girls should have to go into the sex industry because they can't find a good job.
In many cases they might prefer to work in the sex industry than get regular employment, and that's sad, something is wrong.

This is not about pointing the finger or bringing the hammer down on anyone, it's not my job, but someone is not doing their job.
I read international news and have heard some pretty disturbing stories that make me concerned, I think you should be too.

And don't try tell me that sex sells, the only reason sex sells is because people prefer to ignore it and it goes on around us,
Even if it involves exploiting young people, the truth is, there are many adults out there that are happy to take these girls in.

Just because you were born into poverty, doesn't mean that your only choice in life is to have sex with perverts for an income.
I think the law should be going after these websites and putting them out of business completely, but they are doing nothing.
I believe these websites are responsible for 1000's of crimes, not only for aiding and abetting in crimes where young people are
used for sex daily, in countries where it's illegal, these sites are taking in under aged girls daily, for as long as they have existed.

Here's an example of laws that are already in place, and for very good reasons,
Yet the police and government are completely ignoring the true source/s of the problems,
I wonder why, as the evidence is right here on the net and if anybody actually looked, these sites would be prosecuted.
And I mean prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by an intentional jury, the owners deserve to and should be put in jail.

Let me ask you a question, how would you feel if your young daughter ended up on a site where mostly adults
use and disrespect them just to fulfill their sexual perverted needs? what would you do about it if you found out?
No point in telling the police about it, they'll just go after the people that are on cam, not the actual source of the problem.

Cam sex, exploitation of mostly young girls by adults who facilitate these girls, call it grooming or whatever you prefer.
There are many adults across the Philippines that have families of their own, and many of those families have children.
You'd think these people would know better than to exploit young girls for sex, considering the sentence involved if caught.

How is it that so many of these people are taking in young girls, many under age, probably no older than their own children.
I'm talking 14/15/16 year old girls, they are given meals, treated like family, and allowed to perform sex acts in their homes.
This is common across the Philippines in thousands of homes, apartments, maybe your next door neighbor, in many cases the
whole street knows whats going on and many organized groups facilitating these needs, targeting women and young girls.

How sick is that? who do you blame? do you blame the government because the rate of pay is so low nobody wants jobs?

These abusers have no way of verifying these girl's ages when it comes to getting them access to adult sex sites,
Yet these websites are taking in young girls every day and allowing them to have cyber sex with mostly adult males.

We read the news and people are investigating these sites, but nobody does anything to stop them.
These sites are usually hosted on servers outside the Philippines and web site providers usually provide their domains.
So I believe -web site providers have some part in these crimes also and the companies that are providing the servers.

Why are law enforcement not looking into this, the truth is there, why not work together to shut these websites down?

These websites might be run from other countries, but they are helping people in your country to break serious laws.
Aiding and abetting in criminal activities, they are responsible for these crimes, why is is nobody stopping them?

Research has shown that many of these girls families are living in poverty, and the best they can hope for is moving to
the cities where people are more than willing to take them in, with their own families in many cases and allow them to
perform sex acts maybe 15 hours a day 7 days a week, these girls grow up thinking this is normal, they'll never want a job.

The fact is, these websites are online right now, not only is it illegal to perform sex acts on cams in the Philippines
They are certainly guilty of that, but they are also guilty of child abuse crimes, every single cam site online is involved.
If you asked, they would tell you that no under aged girls are allowed, but they're already guilty of aiding and abetting
crimes against humanity, child abuse crimes, and helping people in your country commit crimes that carry a heavy jail sentence.

Should they be allowed to continue? why haven't they been shut down and prosecuted already?
If it was my job I can assure you these websites would be facing some serious charges.

It's not difficult to find the people behind the company names, contact the domain registrar and let them know what's really happening.

The police and international groups need to target these websites and get the evidence that is there and put them behind bars.

Surely if China can ban people from using fruit erotically, your government can prosecute these people for running sex sites
and allowing people to commit crimes that will put them in jail if they are caught, so why haven't they?


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Offline Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am

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Justica,
Don't say nothing is being done.
Here's just one crime fighter against human trafficking
doing his civic duty.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_XDG5hBQfw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_XDG5hBQfw</a>
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Offline Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am

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Another intervention that things are being done to fight
human trafficking

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ckQ_a5C_Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ckQ_a5C_Q</a>
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Offline Justica

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Sorry I had to throw it out there, I believe a lot is being done, like picking on the girls that participate in these illegal activities.
I know it's not their fault that they were born into poverty, every city is heavily involved in sex, profiting from sex, bars, clubs etc.
This is because your government allows it, it's on the streets, in family homes, everywhere, like it's a normal, it's far from normal.

What kind of life is that for a young child to grow up in? surrounded by adults just waiting to exploit them, sweet talking them into sex.

sex with an internet full of perverts, in most cases these girs tink these perverts are their friends.
I'm not against sex, but I am against people using women and young girls to profit from sex, it's a crime, it's human trafficking.

It is a sad situation when females especially feel this is the best opportunity they have to make some money.
The world is messed up because of the people in it, the only way to stop these crimes is to put the website owners behind bars.
It shouldn't matter if they are 10,000 miles away, they are the main reason that these crimes are being committed every day.

Then maybe your economy might have some hope of improvement when people realize they actually have to work for a living.
Maybe with the help of government to improve wages and better opportunities for people that do want to work for a living.

We know a lot about your country, very low wages, people are working but it's not easy to get by on such low incomes.

All these websites should be the main targets, but unfortunately they are not or they wouldn't exist.
As long as these websites exist, young girls will find their way into the hands of adults waiting to exploit them.
Think about what I said, the amount of crimes these websites are responsible for, every day of the week.

Without mentioning any names, some of the main domain registrars provide the domain names for these websites.
Shouldn't they be held responsible for their part in aiding and abetting in criminal activities like the websites they allow online.

The facts are out there, they are taking in under age girls every day, even if they say they don't, they are still breaking the law.

Time to shut down the main sources of this problem once and for all.

Offline Lee2

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Justica, we get your point and many of us, especially me, would like to see the criminal side of life put to an end, but the govt of the Philippines themselves seem to allow it with the many girlybars in many areas of the country, so I feel that if they got real with stopping the the take home from those bars, then possibly the rest of the world could get more real about stopping the online activity. Where there is demand, there will always be a product, so stopping the demand will never happen, thus stopping the activity will likely never happen. I do feel that if the Philippines made it where people could get decent salaries and more people could get jobs, then there would be a lot less of it going on, but even in the US where salaries are usually decent, prostitution and online videos are plentiful, it seems to me that it is just human nature for many people to want to watch those types of things, thus there will probably always be people using people to supply the demand.

Another issue I see in the Philippines is the parents putting such high demands on their children to bring home the money, possibly if the culture changed to where parents want to be independent and not pressure their children to send home their salaries, then possibly that too would slow down the illegal activities. Unfortunately stopping crime has become a no win situation, thus stopping that type of crime may never be solved either. Wherever there are those who seek to stay home and be supported by others, rather than by their own hard work, then there will always be the attitude of letting others do whatever it takes to bring home that money.
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Offline Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am

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Foreigners are just guests of the Philippines and have no say in how their government runs their country.
I'm sure their new Presdent elect may possibly change things for the better. Only time will tell.
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"It's always a matter of money"!
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