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Title: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: coleman2347 on May 19, 2014, 12:27:36 PM
Just thought I would share a few pics of the storm
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: hitekcountry on May 19, 2014, 02:07:08 PM
You look at that and the thought is where do you even begin. It just looks impossible to deal with.

There must be some percentage of people who just wouldn't be able to cope with those conditions and would just freeze up or have to leave.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 19, 2014, 02:30:18 PM
With total devastation like that after Yolanda, IMHO it's just best to pack up whatever valves are left and leave the area, because sticking around will just make it more difficult for those that will be tasked in the clean up of debris and reestablishing or developing the devastated areas where needed! 
As an example, the Japanese has it down to a science in how to start over again, where all or most of the residents were relocated while clean up and redevelopment is started by their government without too much of a hindrance from people getting in the way of progress even though it may take years to complete in putting everything back structurally and or aesthetically the way it was once.   
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: meylou on May 19, 2014, 02:42:26 PM
So sorry for what you've been through.  You have resources so you'll just pick up the pieces and start all over, hopefully in a different area, perhaps a different island?  Whatever you and your wife decides, much luck to you both.

Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: coleman2347 on May 19, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
Art,that might work if we were in Japan however its been my experience during and after the storm the PI government has done little to nothing, built a few bank houses of the cheapest stuff they could find, handed out NFA rice (kept the Class A rice given here) and cleaned a few streets...other than that it was the NGO's
Meylou Thought about Cebu but the familys here, as there was no one to help that fell to me...gota stay now
Hitekcountry, you start by cleaning out a space to build on, then use the abundance of scrap lumber that was left, after that just little by little and pretty soon its done...not easy but done

I do truly understand why people left, with nothing but the shirt on their back why not...but I and my family were better off than that, and we are determined to rebuild...the ones that piss me off are the ones that left and come back and act like they are heros...especially my brngy Chairman...
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Lee2 on May 19, 2014, 08:46:54 PM
Boy that is terrible devastation.  :'(

Sorry it breaks my heart to see so that much devastation,  :'( to me that means so many must still be suffering so hopefully after all you have done Lee, lets hope the locals have a new appreciation for you.

The crab mentality is hard for me to understand but I have also seen it in the US, so I guess it is just a people thing and not just found in the Philippines. :(
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: hitekcountry on May 20, 2014, 02:48:38 AM
Coleman could you list the NGO’s and rate them as to what your impression of them and which were the most helpful.

There was the desire or willingness in the early days of the disaster to make contributions that would be of some help to those that were suffering through that disaster. But the first decision one had to face was what agency to donate to. And then the realization that more than likely very little of what you give would ever reach those you intended to help. Most of the money would end up stuck in someone’s pocket half way there.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: coleman2347 on May 20, 2014, 10:44:08 AM
I'm sure there were background organizations that I did not see..I met a lot of people doing different things from restoring communications to rebuilding schools..but boots on the ground, directly helping people these are the ones that stood out.
The United Nations..I have never been a great fan of theirs but the amount of relief they gave directly to people was amazing.  Everything from Tents, Solar lighting, Food, Tarps, Building materials..Tons of their stuff is still being used today especially the Tents and Tarps ...

Save the Children, when I was in the states I got very tired of seeing their pleading commercials, But they came in force, and are still here.

Doctors without boarders, and their Canadian counterpart..Came in and set up clinics and I'm sure saved many.  Now I have to say Canada, Australia,Korea, and Japan stand out among the best.  The US sent doctors and when they got here had no supplies.  They also acted like premadonnas, in the middle of a crisis like this who would think they could come and expect stuff to be here...WTF

USAID..The Marine Corp KC 130s out of Okinawa flew in tons of aid, 24 hours a day for a couple of weeks, trouble was there was no way to distribute it so it sat at the airport for weeks.  Follow through by the US sucked.  And that is hard for me to say.

The Red Cross/Red Crescent Sent many people, supplys and seemed to be one of the best thought out...They actually had trucks to distribute stuff with..they figured out how to get them here from Manila and Cebu.
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Mercy Corps/Unicef  Huge response, they did a lot of great work and are still here.

Tzu Chi...The stars of relief, gave money to people directly, gave relief to people directly, you may have to look it up as I didnt know they existed before the last few months..by giving directly they avoided the corruption that was so prevalent. I forget how much they gave but it was amazing at the time...They also seemed to be the ones that had the best handle on cleaning up, I give them a lot of the credit for clearing the roads to allow relief to come thru..

Iglesia Cristo  These guys gave a lot, used their church's as relief points..I was impressed

The Koreans..Something most dont think about, I didnt, was the dead bodies, the Koreans sent a large team of people whose express job was the recovery of bodies.  You could tell them at a glance because they dressed in black. They had everything they needed with them and for weeks maybe months they combed through the wreckage and placed orange flags at the site of DB's, once they were found they did DNA so some of them could be identified.  They did great work and probably are one of the reasons the disease was kept to a minimum..I have no idea if they were private or state sponsored.

I'm sure I missed a bunch but to me these are the ones that stood out, I had the chance to deal with some of them directly and was impressed with the professionalism.

Its one thing to give relief, its another to get it where its needed, thats where a lot of stuff fell through the cracks..you could tell the organizations with experience in third world countries as they dealt with people directly by-passing the local and national government. They had learned if you want relief to go somewhere you better put it there yourself..There were a lot of cases of officials trying to take over for whatever reason, The good NGO's would not let that happen..We had a politician here re-bagging rice with sacks with his picture on them...duh????
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: coleman2347 on May 20, 2014, 10:55:19 AM
Btw, this is a great breakdown of the storm. I just found it 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Majal on October 17, 2015, 12:41:07 PM
Speechless!!! I watched the news and makes me angry to see how incompetent the politicians are...A friend of mine who work in DSWD told me theyve been sitting duck awaiting for instructions instead of being out there helping.  The medicines and food end up in some storage and so many  stealing the donations. I just can't imagine how you guys pull through this, but you're all  alive and that's ultimately is what matter.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: blindman on October 17, 2015, 07:34:59 PM
I had not seen this topic before.  Very interesting.  It's great that you and your family are safe Lee.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Hestecrefter on October 18, 2015, 12:16:53 AM
While I generally avoid posting to old threads, I'll make an exception here to say thanks to coleman, both for the photos and for his honest and revealing assessment of the relief efforts and those involved.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Majal on October 18, 2015, 12:35:13 AM
While I generally avoid posting to old threads, I'll make an exception here to say thanks to coleman, both for the photos and for his honest and revealing assessment of the relief efforts and those involved.

Hestecrefter.. that's on me posting on an old thread, not sure if that's a NO NO actually in this forum. I'm new to this forum and I am going through old post just so I don't bother asking the residents here about the same questions and concerns. Sometimes, I couldn't help to post a comment....so far, I'd found great amount of  valuable information specially pertaining to Philippine laws and regs, taxes, I need to really get familiar with this and sad to say I am out of the loop as well. My concerns primarily revolves around my husband moving there with me.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Lee2 on October 18, 2015, 12:47:49 AM
Hestecrefter.. that's on me posting on an old thread, not sure if that's a NO NO actually in this forum. I'm new to this forum and I am going through old post just so I don't bother asking the residents here about the same questions and concerns. Sometimes, I couldn't help to post a comment....so far, I'd found great amount of  valuable information specially pertaining to Philippine laws and regs, taxes, I need to really get familiar with this and sad to say I am out of the loop as well. My concerns primarily revolves around my husband moving there with me.
It is okay to post in threads that are within the last year or two but some of the older thread that members will see posts by guests in, those threads often do not work properly and I lock them whenever I see them to prevent issues. The owner of this forum tried to change the software from this one to another software and a lot of things got very messed up and then they changed it back to this software and once again it got screwed up even more, so we lost a lot of members who now seem to show as guests, which at times can make the forum a bit confusing and some topics end up not showing all posts. Since Jack left and I came on board, I repair those that I can repair but recently came across some that were beyond repair. :(

Anyway back to the topic, Yolanda did some terrible damage to Lee's (Coleman's) area, to north Cebu and I am sure to other areas, it was great to have Lee post the photos and give us his take on the lack of response. :( I too would like to thank Lee for this topic and the photos.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Hestecrefter on October 18, 2015, 12:58:11 AM
Majal,

My comment about posting on old threads was not intended as criticism.  Au contraire, you did a service by bringing something worthwhile to my attention.

As for posting to old threads in general, Lee has kindly set out the moderators' views on the matter.  I was simply expressing my own practice, because it is not always easy to remember from forum to forum what are the rules.  I am a member of some where posting to a thread over a year old will bring a strong rebuke from the mods, as well as some whining by members, who perceive some opprobrium in the practice.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Lee2 on October 18, 2015, 01:17:03 AM
Majal,

My comment about posting on old threads was not intended as criticism.  Au contraire, you did a service by bringing something worthwhile to my attention.

As for posting to old threads in general, Lee has kindly set out the moderators' views on the matter.  I was simply expressing my own practice, because it is not always easy to remember from forum to forum what are the rules.  I am a member of some where posting to a thread over a year old will bring a strong rebuke from the mods, as well as some whining by members, who perceive some opprobrium in the practice.
We are trying to be easier going with the rules on this forum of late, but I do agree, sometimes when an old thread is brought up, it can cause more bad issues than good, whereas other times, such as in this thread, it is good to see it come back up. The main thing we want is for everyone to enjoy the forum and learn as well as post as much information as possible, so everyone is helped. I have always tried in the past on other forums to run them as if it is a family but in the past on this one, I and the other admins were much more limited by the stricter rules, that is until I and some others sat down with Don the owner of this forum in Cebu City earlier this year and discussed some of our thoughts. Anyway it is all a balancing act and we hope that being a little looser with the rules while not going too loose, will hopefully make for a more enjoyable forum for all, I know it is a lot less work for all of us moderators this way.  ;)

Edit to add, okay lets now get this topic back on topic and that especially includes me.  ;)
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: Majal on October 18, 2015, 02:44:43 AM
Majal,

My comment about posting on old threads was not intended as criticism.  Au contraire, you did a service by bringing something worthwhile to my attention.

As for posting to old threads in general, Lee has kindly set out the moderators' views on the matter.  I was simply expressing my own practice, because it is not always easy to remember from forum to forum what are the rules.  I am a member of some where posting to a thread over a year old will bring a strong rebuke from the mods, as well as some whining by members, who perceive some opprobrium in the practice.

None taken :)! No worries and nowhere near criticism.
Title: Re: A few Pictures from Yolanda
Post by: coleman2347 on October 18, 2015, 02:04:18 PM
Being as it came up, Ill update what I see two years later...somewhere on the forum right after we got power and internet back, I posted what it was like some seven months later...
Today, still no traffic lights downtown, many businesses that use to be here are gone...If you drive out Real the main street from the Sta. Nino Church...a lot of the stuff on the water side is still gone and there has been little effort to rebuild it...The Astro Dome is in the process of being rebuilt but not completed yet...
Most of the squatter areas that were destroyed are re inhabited as they were before...the stuff you heard about moving them out turned out to be not so true...
The bunk houses that have been mentioned before that were built out of coco wood and 1/4 inch ply are still there, supposedly temp at the time of construction...but no sign of moving people two years on...
Palo seems to be fairing better than Tacloban, the mayor is an Aquino so most of the money ends up there..they are even talking about moving the Airport there...even though there is a perfectly serviceable runway that was built by the US at the Tacloban airport...
A small SM was built downtown, Gasanios is up and running, Robinsons still has a lot of un occupied space..but they are building an extension to it so who knows if they have somebody to occupy the new spaces...
Tacloban is rebuilding but very slowly, its all Politics....after two years, Maline and I are planning on moving, finally reached our limit on Politics and the futility of trying to make this place better...We are going to turn the farm over to a BIL and Aunt we trust with Maline visiting every three months or so...right now it looks like we will re locate to Pampanga if things work out...if not like I said before, back to plan B what ever that is..
I guess I could go into a lot more, and if I get time, Ill try to take some pictures of the same places today that I posted right after the storm, its really the only way you could get the idea without being here..
Lee