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Living in The Philippines => Expat life in Philippines => Topic started by: Rick B on March 05, 2008, 08:34:59 PM

Title: Positive and negative
Post by: Rick B on March 05, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
I\'m asking for a \"positive\" and a \"negative\" aspect of life for us ex-pats here in the Philippines

I will start it off...................

positive, Being made to feel welcome in the Philippines by everyone really.

negative, sleep problems due to noise, dogs, chickens etc etc

Anyone else for some quick fire thoughts?
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: on March 05, 2008, 09:45:06 PM
I\'m asking for a \"positive\" and a \"negative\" aspect of life for us ex-pats here in the Philippines

I will start it off...................

positive, Being made to feel welcome in the Philippines by everyone really.

negative, sleep problems due to noise, dogs, chickens etc etc

Anyone else for some quick fire thoughts?

Rick,

Your chosen \'negative\' is more a case of location than a negative. Where I live there is no noise at night (my positive  8) ), no dogs, no roosters. Your solution, buy ear plugs & enjoy your chosen location or move to solve the issue!
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: on March 06, 2008, 01:16:32 AM
I\'m asking for a \"positive\" and a \"negative\" aspect of life for us ex-pats here in the Philippines
Anyone else for some quick fire thoughts?

Quick fire thoughts?  Sort of a big subject for a few words!

Positives: Good friends, good people, beautiful country, no cold winters!  A paradise in every sense of the word to me. 

Negatives: Far from old life family, though I see them regularly anyway.  Miss cold winters and snow (but not that much). 

Life is as we each want to see it.  One man\'s castle is another man\'s prison.  Here\'s a response I gave to another expat a few years ago, who couldn\'t (or wouldn\'t) see beyond the crowds, diesel smoke, bustle of a public market, roosters and being lied to and cheated.  He wrote about nothing positive.  He reminded me of the Al Capp character Joe Btfsplk: World\'s worst jinx and pessimist who always traveled with a dark cloud over his head (name changed to protect the guilty):

\"Whatever discomfort I may find here is my problem, but oddly enough I\'ve been very comfortable in this culture and country and haven\'t encountered any discomfort that I wouldn\'t find anywhere else, even back home. 

\"It\'s all in attitude, Joe.  If by coming here you expect to be annoyed by \"high noise levels, getting scammed and other issues\", you certainly will be.  This is true wherever in the world you choose to live.  The Filipinos among whom you have chosen to live don\'t have that freedom of choice, to move wherever the mood strikes them.  Over the generations they have devised custom and lifestyle that suits their standard of living.  In my view we are their guests and strangers here.  We are the ones who\'ve chosen to come here to live.  It is upon us to adapt to and accept the lifestyle prevalent here.  I\'ve come here by choice, my decision. 

\"I think we all agree that the value of this list is to help others adapt to the differences here.  You might help the newbie adjust and get along or you might help him become just another Ugly American, your choice.\"
 
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: Rick on March 06, 2008, 04:23:45 AM
POSITIVES--Peace and quiet, the people, the climate
NEGATIVES--The falling dollar, I\'ll get back to you if I ever think of another one.

Rick
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: Mike M. on March 06, 2008, 06:18:01 AM
An incomplete potpourri follows:

Positives--  opportunity to continue working as I like (Im 70), opporuntity to make change, caring attitude of Filipinos, Filipino willingness to accept any challenge, carabao in fields, strange things to eat found on street, cheap, my katulong,  red horse beer, beautiful women, apparent lack of concern with aging, respect for elders, shining white smiles,  comaraderie of my barcada, work-hard attitude of my students, sun-temperature, acceptance, life style.

Negatives-  smoke(vehicles, burning fields, burning garbage), traffic, pot holes, deception, corruption, hidden costs, obvious cost of poverty to children, selfishness, lack of vegetables, begging, gossip.

Mike M.   
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: ACKelley on March 06, 2008, 07:28:02 AM
POSITIVES:
Beautiful weather; warm, friendly people; close family ties; \"Dodge City\" feeling to driving; cheaper cost of living; ladies who would make jeans makers proud (they all look good); cheap day labor; reasonable dental and medical costs; generous, nonjudgmental nature of the Filipino.

NEGATIVES:
Everyone loves music, and wants the whole neighborhood to hear what they are playing; propensity to keep dogs around just to hear them bark; white-nuckle driving; oblivious walkers, bikers, jeepney drivers, car and truck drivers who never seem to realize there are others around; corruption in all levels of government; firm belief that all foreigners are rich, and will want to share; whitening products and nose jobs.  My tendency to be cynical and judgemental.
Tony
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: graham on March 07, 2008, 02:36:35 PM
Rick,
Can\'t think of any negatives yet, so far all positives. Ooops, yes I can, my Fiancee when she is asleep moves all over the bed and I end up on the very edge of the bed, on my side, while she is sprawled out. I have on 1 occassion actually fallen out of bed, jeez dem tiles is hard, woke me up real quick. ;D ;D I remember reading a post about a guy who bought a \"white noise\" generator. He switches it on and has the speakers set at a reasonable level that blocks out all sound and he sleeps well. he also had a problem area like you do.
 
Graham
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: shortman on March 07, 2008, 05:46:35 PM
positive: jolibee, mc do,sayas etc, is close enough to give choice of fast food snacks (Tagb,City)

Negative: Court activities and case appearences is like watching grass grow.
               
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: on March 07, 2008, 07:30:35 PM
Positive : Filipinas, smiles, food, beaches, warm climate, relaxed style of life

Negatives: Tampo, avoidance of direct answers....getting used to both......Unbelievably high prices on used cars and also electronics
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: up2u on March 08, 2008, 05:55:39 PM
Positives freindly people, exelent visa situation, fairly laid back local lifestyle, check daily living apart from at the moment, good weather
Negs, high prices on certain items, the never ending belief that I am rich, bad traffic and worse drivers.


On a side note I live in a bad dog and cock noise area. The way to kill the noise is to have a fan or aircon running in the bedroom, we have 2 fans running and no longer get woken up at 6am, by screching cockerels.
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: on March 09, 2008, 05:52:01 AM
Positive:  They are all lovely Filipinos  :D.

Negative: Adjusting to those all lovely Filipinos lifestlye, culture & environment  :)
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: wfox11 on March 12, 2008, 11:11:11 AM
All of the above.

Excellent earplugs can be found at Ace Hardware, in the safety equipment aisle.
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: coutts00 on March 12, 2008, 01:22:39 PM
However the use of earplugs can have detrimental effects unless you give a couple of months prior warning to your asawa that your hearing is failing (Selectively), only place in right before going to sleep but not immediately after going to bed, your asawa might want to talk, but if you have your earplugs in you won\'t be able to respond to her needs...

As for the selective use, only when the pitch of her sweet soothing voice raises to the point approaching said \"anemic cockerels \", should they be applied covertly, at the same time head for the ref, grab a beverage and head outside to enjoy the peace and quiet of your earplugs with a cold one.

Of course this is only advice as I would never be caught dead doing this, lest I become dead after my asawa finishes with me and my earplugs. But as I am already hard of hearing, I don\'t need em\', I am already deaf and she knows it. ;D

Wayne

Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: jryals on March 13, 2008, 12:09:02 AM
Positive: people, weather( warm/hot good  Cold/snow Bad) Food,Family, and for some reason I have to say that the view of coconut trees is a great sight to me.Smiles and the fun on the roads.

Negative: Trash every where, the fun on the roads, the price for me is different than what my wife will pay if I,m not there.


But after 4 years here in Korea I,ll take anything the RP as better
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: butseriouslyuk on April 06, 2008, 03:48:18 AM
I think I\'m going to have to go and get some earplugs. My sunday morning lay in was recently ruined by neighbours ( actually a caretaker and family living on an adjacent lot ) starting their karaoke at 07:45 am, full blast. They are at it several nights during the week also, drinking, shouting, singing etc. Just one household making a nuisance of themselves. Noise from dogs and chickens I can handle, but \'Micheal Learns to Rock\' is really starting to bug me.

Guess I shouldn\'t complain as I helped pay for the damn karaoke machine by employing the guy to do some work on my lot.

Title: Country Comparisons
Post by: michael16136 on May 04, 2008, 10:10:09 PM
I\'m not sure if this is the appropriate place to post this, and if not the moderators can feel free to move it.

I\'ve been in Bangkok for the last few days on business, and though I\'ve been to Thailand dozens of times in the past, I\'ve not been back for three years, so this trip has given me ample time to reflect on the differences between the two countries and to think about where I would rather be.

In terms of the development of physical infrastructure (particularly transport) and in general development planning, Thailand wins hands down. Over the past 20 years or so the Thais have developed an integrated urban transport system for Bangkok that\'s marvelously efficient, affordable, and reliable. The Philippines, during the same period, has developed little. The Thais are trying hard (and succeeding) in \"greening\" Bangkok, and have developed stringent environmental protection systems and regulations that are actually enforced. Bangkok is much less polluted than it once was, and much cleaner. There are large, green open spaces that are preserved, and the new architecture is extremely attractive.

In terms of urban livability, again Thailand wins by a large margin. Bangkok is being/has been redeveloped very intelligently, and its becoming an attractive, very successful and prosperous city. Conversely, Manila remains essentially a confusing potourri of small, often dirty and congested municipalities with little coordinated development and no apparent development rationale. I guess the differences between the two are evident in the economic growth of the past twenty years or so. Thailand, which used to lag behind the Philippines during the Marcos era, is now a middle income country while the Philippines remains mired in poverty and third world status.

Based on empirical traits, it would be logical to prefer Thailand. The food is much better. It\'s booming economically. There\'s a sense of real optimism and Thais would prefer in general to remain in their country, being fiercely nationalistic and proud of the country\'s accomplishments. Empiricism however isn\'t the only basis for forming judgments.

In terms of the genuine warmth of the people, and foreigners\' ability to communicate with the people, the Philippines wins by a country mile. Thais are friendly. Filipinos are genuinely happy to see you. Thais are extremely polite. Filipinos are overwhelmingly generous to foreigners. I guess what I\'ve realized (about myself) on this trip is that while I still enjoy visiting Thailand, I prefer to live in the Philippines. The \"personal\" factor seems to outweigh the other considerations. Or maybe it\'s that I find the chaos of the Philippines more exhilarating than the more disciplined predictability of Thailand. I\'ll come back here gladly, but I\'ll keep living in the Philippines.
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: Robm on May 06, 2008, 09:01:05 AM
Hi Michael,

I\'m in Hong Kong at the moment getting ready to head back to the US. My Pinay and I were in Thailand for three days. We also spend a couple of days in Singapore.
This was my second time in Thailand, and i will agree with a lot of your conclusions. The country is very nice and interesting from my view point.
One fun part was so many people thought my girl was Thai and when I didnt know what they were saying they would turn to her and ask the question in Thai.
I think it would be fun to spend time exploring Thailand myself. Thailand is VERY toursist cenetered, so the country has grown to accomadate them.

Robm
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: Manila Cockney on May 06, 2008, 12:01:06 PM
Phuket is my favourite place been there over 20 times but not since the tsunami. Was considering living there but ended up marrying a Filipino. A few of my friends have retired there, and for those that do not know its a lot more than just a beach. It has supermarkets such a Tescos, a British International School, good hospitals etc. I am hoping direct cheap flights are introduced from Manila, its a bit of a pain going through Bangkok and I will be over there a lot more. 
Title: Re: Positive and negative
Post by: michael16136 on May 06, 2008, 08:31:18 PM
I agree, the Thais have made tourism management an exact science and the country is totally geared toward the care and feeding of the tourists who throng there. I think the country enjoys about twenty times the tourism arrivals of the Philippines and I can sure understand why. I\'ve lived there and worked there, and I\'m stunned by the development of the last twenty years or so. Still, the language barrier impedes communication and that\'s one advantage that the Philippines will not lose any time soon.