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Living in The Philippines => Expat life in Philippines => Topic started by: Gray Wolf on December 31, 2007, 05:01:37 AM

Title: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on December 31, 2007, 05:01:37 AM
Colin,

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Just remember \'The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence\'. While the temperate here is not too bad at the moment, there are times when a bit of \'coolness\' would be welcomed

I\'ve always been able to deal with heat and humidity much easier than cold weather.  I guess we\'re all different but the weather in the RP is perfect for me.  I\'ve always said it\'s much easier to wipe the sweat from my brow than to try to warm my frost bitten fingers and toes.  Besides, we plan to live in or around Vigan, Ilocos Sur and if things get too hot we can always find a bit of respite in the mountains just to the east.  In fact, we may build a weekend retreat home somewhere for that sole purpose.  I can certainly see me sitting on the veranda of my little weekend cottage looking out across some valley at the lush green mountainsides far away from the heat, humidity and insects.  Aaaahhhh!  Heaven on earth for this old Kentucky boy!

Jack
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on December 31, 2007, 06:41:47 AM
Jack,

As you say, we are all different. I find it easy to add a few more layers of clothes in the cold but when you are down to the skin in the heat there is not much more you can do. Fan are essential and I do spend a lot of time in my air conditioned \'computer room\'. We are surrounded here by houses and trees, but our new lot is very open and should be a lot fresher.

Colin
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on December 31, 2007, 08:21:41 AM
Having the air moving is a big help.  When we were last in Novaliches, it was very confined feeling.  To get any air at all I had to go up on the roof terrace.  Not exactly comfy up there and all we had to sit under was a beach umbrella.  But at least you got a little air moving around you.  At night it was much better, especially up on the rooftop.  Being confined in a small crowded barrio is very hot, I agree.  That\'s why I insist on having a home built with a large piece of property so we can have room to move around and allow fresh air to move through.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on January 02, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
That\'s why I insist on having a home built with a large piece of property so we can have room to move around and allow fresh air to move through.

My minimum requirement for a lot was 1000 sq. mtrs. and we eventually bought one at 1500sq. mtrs. and the nearest house is several hundred meters away. The lot is only 15 metres wide but 100 metres deep and I will build the main house towards the back. That way if I eventually get neighbours, they will probably build near the front and I will still be in the clear. I am also thinking of building a covered \'Crows Nest\' above the second flow and equipping it with a hammock  :)

Colin
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 02, 2008, 09:59:04 PM
Oh absolutely!  At the very least I want a roof terrace to take advantage of the evening breeze.  I\'ve seen many homes being built with \"lookout towers\" or \"crows nests\".  I never fully understood them until my last visit where I spent many hours up on the rooftop enjoying the view and fresh air away from all the hustle and bustle of life on the ground.  A nice duyan fits the need very well!
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Mike M. on January 18, 2008, 07:20:54 AM
Can I join?  Just a snapshot about our house, property and life style.  I\'m 68, retired psychologist.  My wife is 38, computer engineer.  We have 2 boys. 

We bought our small compound (5,000 sq m) at the back of a larger compound in a barangay on the edge of Malolos, the capitol city of 175,000. The compound is inside of a 6 foot concrete embroidered fence that is topped by a 5\' ornate pointed steel fence.  We are off the roads a distance of 200 yards and miss the road noise.

We hang orchid plants all around on the fences.  At Christmas the fence proudly holds our lights and illuminates the neighborhood.  The property is bordered on one side by a large rice field that changes colors 3 times a year as the crop is planted, grows and is harvested. In the wet season it is a large, beautiful blue lake.  On another side is a large tilapia pond that periodically is drained, sometimes shrimp planted, and always when drained the natives digging for mud fish using electric prods.  From the windows one gets the impression of living next to a lake.

Across from us are high end rental units (7,000/mo) where middle income families live for longer periods of time.  We adjoin a house built and owned by a Filipino businessman.

Our house is 2500 sq meters, railroad style, tile floors.  Bay windows throughout, covered with locking bars and screens.  We cook in a dirty kitchen outside the house but inside of a small open concrete room covered room.  We have a 1200 sq meter tiled pavillion area covered by frame and steel insulated sheet roof.  Its never hot in the small pavillion.  In this area we have some tables and chairs, a bar and bar stools,  a pool table, treadmill, sons\' drum set, etc. We sit out at night with a glass of wine.   The remaining 1200 sq foot area is a maintained blue grass lawn.  We have 3 large fruit yielding mango trees and throughout our compound we have a wide variety of different plants that blossom unexpectedly.

The house has 4 bedrooms, two are owned by my 2 sons, 11 and 13 and one is used by our 2 katulong.  My wife and I have the last. We have a built in garage that houses our owner-type-jeep and we park our Ford pickup in the driveway in front.

I teach at university, conduct service projects in jails, orphanages, residences for mentally ill, and street school.  My wife manages our restaurants and meat processing plant.  She is in an MBA program at the U.  I am president of a Rotary Club and she is secretary of another RC.    The kids go to private school, regularly visit cousins a couple of towns away, go swimming, play electronic games, basketball, and young teen stuff.  I play tennis a couple of times a week and my wife plays badminton 3 times each week. Semi annually I beat a golf ball to death.  We go to Manila to see Fe\'s family once a month; we take dried fish and rice.  My wife\'s mom (separated from dad early on) works in our restaurant and has her own life. Sometimes we go to Olongapo.  I am boat-sick and keep eyeing a 35 year old, 30 foot cabin cruiser that the guy wants me to take for 1.5.  Twin outboard 250\'s.  The brown river is 20 minutes from the house and the only landing within 2 hour drive.  This is gonna be a heartache.  Down the brown river to the bay is an hour and across the bay to Manila is 30 minutes. 

Our property was 2 million with all of the improvements and the house was 1.5 million with many improvements. $70,000 for all at the time of construction.  Our retirement income is about $3200 stateside and maybe $1000 here.  Our bills/living costs are about 100,000 ($2200)  a month  (a/c at 16,000!!). We invest some in new construction (building a boutiqe near the resto),  manage to put away about 25,000 ($500)  each month after out of pocket expenses- which get out of hand quickly..  We travel, eat where we like, buy things that interest us.       

I share all of this with a small intrepidation hoping it won\'t get back.  We never talk about our income or expenses to anyone here.

Life has never been better for either of us.  In the US I lived a 6 figure life, but was always in debt and always working.  Here, I live a productive, interesting, relaxing life with a beautiful wife half my age.  Aint it grand?

Mike M.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 18, 2008, 08:13:21 AM
Awesome post Mike!  You have what I want!   ;D ;D   Do you have a digital camera?  I\'d love to see your lanai, yard and fruit trees.  Gloria and I plan to have something similar to what you describe.  If you can, and don\'t mind, would you share some pictures of your home?  You don\'t need to share anything that would intrude on your privacy, but a shot or two of your yard, flowering plants and patio/bar area would be very nice.

Thanks for being with us, Mike!  And thanks for sharing and for caring about the people of the Philippines.

Your friend,
Jack 
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: MikeOnQuest on January 18, 2008, 11:16:54 AM
I really enjoy these kinds of posts... as they help me build my dream abode in my mind :). Im only 37 so i have plenty of time to dream etc.

          Mike J.
Title: Re: Lifestyle - thanks Mike M
Post by: mupsuit on January 19, 2008, 01:31:16 AM

Hello Mike M

Many thanks for such an informative post this really add value to all the information available on the forum. Your post has been helpful in understanding what can be achieved against what it cost

Hope you get round to some photos as requested by Graywolf I\'d love to see those too


Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Mike M. on January 20, 2008, 07:00:34 AM
You\'re welcome guys, it was my intention to fan the blaze.  In spite of the over-population here, I endorse bringing in retirement money since its one of the mainstays of the islands.  This is a win-win proposition where life can be a paradise and where the reciprocation starts at immigration..::)).    Jack, I will take some pictures when the drying clothes are removed from the view and the sun is higher.  In fact, I think I\'ll make some pancakes and bacon to go with my coffee and eat it outside (as usual) with a glass of chilled mango juice.  I\'ll leave the mess I make in the kitchen to the katulong who has been with us for 5 years and who earns 2,500 month plus SS and health insurance.   Mike M.

Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Mike M. on January 20, 2008, 11:29:04 AM
Check the photos in the photo section.. Mike M.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 20, 2008, 11:29:56 AM
  Jack, I will take some pictures when the drying clothes are removed from the view and the sun is higher.  In fact, I think I\'ll make some pancakes and bacon to go with my coffee and eat it outside (as usual) with a glass of chilled mango juice.   Mike M.



You\'re killing me, Mike, you\'re killing me.    ;D ;D ;D

I\'m sooooo jealous!  In a good way, of course.    :D

Looking forward to those pics, bro! 

Thanks pare!

Jack

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Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: shortman on January 20, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
Jack, i saved that pic view of Lou, Ky.... thats an angle view from clarksville side near the park or from a boat near my home side... :\'(.........  :o
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 21, 2008, 02:08:39 AM
Yep, you got that right, bro.  You\'ll also notice that it\'s from a few years back when \"The Falls Fountain\" was in operation. 

So, you\'re from Clarksville?  Cool!  Soon I\'ll be one of those guys \"from\".   ;D ;D

Take care, bro!
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: shortman on January 21, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
I\'m really an old jeffersonville boy, but you know how that is, one step and your in clarksville, another step and your in new albany.... i lived for many years out cane run road near St. Denis, bought a home there once cause i worked at rohm and haas on camp ground road..22 years there and now retired, needed a warm climate to accommodate an long time army related illness...thanks for the reply..wish you a smooth transmission here and a very happy future...
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: butseriouslyuk on February 04, 2008, 06:00:24 PM
When we added an extension to the house, we built it with a rooftop terrace as I really enjoy sitting out on a clear night waiting for shooting stars. Then we decided we had room up there for another small bedroom and CR. On top of the new bedroom we made a seating area which we put a roof over for shade and to keep the rain off ( nicknamed the \'Tower of Love\'). The CR roof we just made into an open view deck. We get a nice breeze up there in the afternoons and often laze on an airbed to read and have a glass (bottle in my case ) of wine or 3.

I don\'t go out and socialise very much these days, usually only Sunday lunch at Abanico boat club, plus maybe Thursday afternoon at Jess bar, a regular for a lot of local expats. Very occasionally I\'ll head to Brunos Swiss deli for a few glasses of chilled white and a selection of cheeses and cold cuts. We haven\'t been down to the beach for sometime even though it\'s a very short trike ride away. Have to make an effort next leave.

Most evenings at sunset I sit beside my little pond and watch my Koi come out to feed. It\'s about the only time I get to see my small Black Koi as he seems to be a bit nocturnal. They seem to be thriving and have grown considerably since we bought them early last year. The biggest is about 14 inch long now. The pond is a basic rectangle shape and we built a filter system ourselves. I\'m planning something a little more ornate in future. Been reading up on natural swimming ponds which are just filtered by plants and minerals. Nice to cool down in, but a good habitat for fish too. If it ends up looking anything like the attached pic, I\'ll be happy. Of course any input or info from group members would be welcome.

Our lot still looks a bit like a building site, but slowly and steadily we are getting there.

Transport is in the form of a motor tricycle that is just fine for getting around town. We keep up the franchise on it just in case Rebeccas brother fancies earning a few pesos carrying passengers.

Life in Palawan is pretty good!

Matt

One silly thing that I have noticed since living in the Philippines: Roosters do not just crow at sunrise. They can go at it all bloody night!



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Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: GregW on February 05, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
Your little pond is great!  Very nice looking.  I\'m jealous.  Now I want one too.  I can readily imagine how restful it is to sit around the pond and feed the fish as you describe.  Good going.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: bilipino on February 15, 2008, 04:29:41 AM
Using fans in the tropic not only saves the high cost of using Air-Conditioning.

BTW, I am allergic to Air-Conditioning…it makes me break out with chills whenever it is used as well as tachycardia whenever I received the high electric bills. : )

All kidding aside, fans do work well because of the high humidity in the tropics and keeping overhead money to a minimum includes the use of public transportation. Riding jeepneys is a great way of meeting friends and it only takes a few words of Tagalog to direct the drivers to stop.

-Bill
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on February 15, 2008, 05:47:39 AM
Using fans in the tropic not only saves the high cost of using Air-Conditioning.

BTW, I am allergic to Air-Conditioning…it makes me break out with chills whenever it is used as well as tachycardia whenever I received the high electric bills. : )

All kidding aside, fans do work well because of the high humidity in the tropics and keeping overhead money to a minimum includes the use of public transportation. Riding jeepneys is a great way of meeting friends and it only takes a few words of Tagalog to direct the drivers to stop.

-Bill

Good sense!  You may be surprised to know that many expats share your distaste for a/c once they\'ve become accustomed to living here.  While I may find some temporary relief in malls and theaters, I rarely visit them.  Air conditioning for a length of time dries up my sinuses and causes a dry cough.  I much prefer my house that\'s been designed for the climate (more or less) and provides all the comfort these old bones need.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on February 19, 2008, 07:14:11 AM
Our retirement income is about $XXX stateside and maybe $XXX here.  Our bills/living costs are about $XXX  a month  (a/c at XXX!!). We invest some in new construction (building a xxxx near the xxxx),  manage to put away about XXX  each month after out of pocket expenses- which get out of hand quickly..  We travel, eat where we like, buy things that interest us.       

I share all of this with a small intrepidation hoping it won\'t get back.  We never talk about our income or expenses to anyone here.

Mike M.

RECOMMENDATION TO THE MODERATORS AND NEW FORUM MEMBERS REGARDING DISCUSSION OF PERSONAL INCOME, ASSETS, AND INVESTMENTS IN THE PHILIPPINES.

Mike,

Your post was appealing, informative, and exactly what is needed on this forum. Sharing your background and current situation provides credibility and reality to the dreams of thousands of expats all over the world!

However, I have a SERIOUS recommendation. I hope the Moderators (or Don, himself) will consider establishing a rule to forbid Forum Members from discussing their personal income, current assets, and current or proposed RP investments on this public forum.

RATIONALE: We live in the Information Age. The positive aspects of quick/reliable information exchange among friends cannot be overemphasized. However, with every positive, life-altering invention, there exists a dark, sinister, and potentially dangerous aspect. In today\'s world, there are criminals lurking to exploit any private information posted on public forums. I hope nobody thinks I\'m paranoid. In my line of business, I know how the simplest bit of volunteered information can be used to take advantage of you. Please DO NOT think it\'s a difficult task to track and locate the whereabouts of every individual on this forum. It can be done with a minimum of effort.

Accordingly, I\'m pleading with everyone to be especially careful about the personal / private information placed in your posts. If the MODS choose to establish a rule to forbid certain private information, that would be ideal. If not, please exercise prudence and think about your posts. Thank you.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on February 19, 2008, 08:10:43 AM
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RECOMMENDATION TO THE MODERATORS AND NEW FORUM MEMBERS REGARDING DISCUSSION OF PERSONAL INCOME, ASSETS, AND INVESTMENTS IN THE PHILIPPINES.

However, I have a SERIOUS recommendation. I hope the Moderators (or Don, himself) will consider establishing a rule to forbid Forum Members from discussing their personal income, current assets, and current or proposed RP investments on this public forum.

Accordingly, I\'m pleading with everyone to be especially careful about the personal / private information placed in your posts. If the MODS choose to establish a rule to forbid certain private information, that would be ideal. If not, please exercise prudence and think about your posts. Thank you.

Worldy,

Speaking as a Global Moderator of this LinPC forum, as well as a senior LinP3 List Guide, I can honestly say that this should be common sense and there\'s no need for us to make an addition to our already poorly abided by list of rules.  Everyone who is familiar with our group from the beginning knows that our rules are strict, indeed to some even tyrannical.  Adding another to the long list would serve little if any purpose.  All IMHO of course. 

Now, having said all that, I will recommend to everyone who posts here to be cautious of what you reveal about yourself on these pages.  There is truth in what wordly says about those who lurk amongst our guests waiting for the perfect target to strike.  Nothing, not even another rule,  can prevent that.  It is up to each of us to be cautious with what personal information we offer here.

Jack
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on February 19, 2008, 08:35:43 AM

I can honestly say that this should be common sense and there\'s no need for us to make an addition to our already poorly abided by list of rules.

Now, having said all that, I will recommend to everyone who posts here to be cautious of what you reveal about yourself on these pages.  There is truth in what wordly says about those who lurk amongst our guests waiting for the perfect target to strike.  Nothing, not even another rule,  can prevent that.  It is up to each of us to be cautious with what personal information we offer here.

Jack


As the other \'Global Moderator\', I agree with Jack. As with all our private emails, common sense must prevail. We are all aware of the scam emails. As with those, we wouldn\'t declare personal info. That said, let\'s not get paranoid either. Even basic info here or on any forum / group COULD be used for scams etc. So don\'t be specific i.e. I have X amount in Y bank in Z area or I have invested X in Z savings scheme. Common sense
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on February 20, 2008, 01:37:34 AM
Using fans in the tropic not only saves the high cost of using Air-Conditioning.

BTW, I am allergic to Air-Conditioning…it makes me break out with chills whenever it is used as well as tachycardia whenever I received the high electric bills. : )

All kidding aside, fans do work well because of the high humidity in the tropics and keeping overhead money to a minimum includes the use of public transportation. Riding jeepneys is a great way of meeting friends and it only takes a few words of Tagalog to direct the drivers to stop.

-Bill

I prefer Ceiling fans to a/c .....riding buses (haven\'t ridden jeepneys) is easier ......tap on ceiling with coin when you want the bus to stop
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: jayjayrp on February 21, 2008, 04:30:46 PM
I see I am not alone in my obtainment of a relaxed lifestyle.
Bless you all,  JJ       
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: RayJ on February 22, 2008, 01:31:28 AM
Thanks for the informative post by Mike M.   Glad you\'re enjoying yourself Mike.   Must be the psychologist that makes you easygoing with such ease of frank discussion. oh and 1 more thing - a smiley  ;D
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Rick B on March 05, 2008, 08:23:30 PM
Mike M, enjoyed your post and the specific details and descriptions were what made it so

on the A/C debate, we go for half way, bedroom A/C and living area fans but i see where the \"fan\" people come from, sometimes can\'t wait to get out of A/C and into the real world
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Rick on March 06, 2008, 04:27:33 AM
   We have A/C only in the master BR in the house in the city.
   The rest of the house, fans.
   The beach house fans only.

Rick
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Mike M. on March 06, 2008, 06:03:09 AM
Gosh guys!!!   Yeah that was sort of impulsive and one of those good intention posts..... re our income.  I guess since every Filipino in Bulacan has wormed it out of my family or have a much higher estimate of our income I was lulled into a sense of security.  I do agree that posting one\'s financial status on this or any other internet site is in very bad form.  Thanks for the feedback.

Someone close the barn door ha?

Mike M.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: stillbilly2002 on March 07, 2008, 04:25:56 AM
 :)our Moderators are strict but but often work quietly with members whom may flame on other folks when excited about the
 thread on some post....or as they say poorly follow the rules .....giving them a chance to remain on this part of the info highway
 .........they gave me a chance ,didnt have to.................................take a deep breath before you post.......
 i need a dose of Captain Ron humor................................................
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on March 07, 2008, 07:27:52 AM
:)our Moderators are strict but but often work quietly with members whom may flame on other folks when excited about the
 thread on some post....or as they say poorly follow the rules .....giving them a chance to remain on this part of the info highway
 .........they gave me a chance ,didnt have to.................................take a deep breath before you post.......
 i need a dose of Captain Ron humor................................................

Thanks for the positive comment. We MUCH prefer to be Forum Guides than big bad rule enforcers. Great thing about our forums members, is they are doing a pretty good job of giving us nothing much to do. Long may that remain.  8)
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: up2u on March 08, 2008, 05:59:58 PM
The trick to airflow is to let the air out of the house as well as in, put a fan in a window on one side of a room pointing inwards and if possible one in a window on the other side of the room pointing outwards. I have lived in countries much hotter than PH and that has always worked for me.

Having the air moving is a big help.  When we were last in Novaliches, it was very confined feeling.  To get any air at all I had to go up on the roof terrace.  Not exactly comfy up there and all we had to sit under was a beach umbrella.  But at least you got a little air moving around you.  At night it was much better, especially up on the rooftop.  Being confined in a small crowded barrio is very hot, I agree.  That\'s why I insist on having a home built with a large piece of property so we can have room to move around and allow fresh air to move through.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: GregW on March 13, 2008, 10:47:24 AM
Here in the US we have whole house fans.  Mine is in the ceiling of our hallway with vents that open and close underneath it.  When I turn it on during the summer nights the vents open and it literally sucks the hot air out of the house through the ceiling and attic thus bringing in the cooler air from the outside through the windows.  Oh yeah, make sure you have at least one window open.  It is on a timer, so when we go to bed I set the timer for about 1 hour which allows us to get to sleep.  Darn thing really works well as sometimes I need to grab a blanket the air is so cool.  I asked in the original group quite some time ago if these were available in the RP and if memory serves me correct no one seemed to know of them.  Perhaps I\'ll have to ship a couple when we make the \"big move\".
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on March 13, 2008, 04:09:58 PM
Here in the US we have whole house fans.  Mine is in the ceiling of our hallway with vents that open and close underneath it.  When I turn it on during the summer nights the vents open and it literally sucks the hot air out of the house through the ceiling and attic thus bringing in the cooler air from the outside through the windows.  Oh yeah, make sure you have at least one window open.  It is on a timer, so when we go to bed I set the timer for about 1 hour which allows us to get to sleep.  Darn thing really works well as sometimes I need to grab a blanket the air is so cool.  I asked in the original group quite some time ago if these were available in the RP and if memory serves me correct no one seemed to know of them.  Perhaps I\'ll have to ship a couple when we make the \"big move\".

I have seen large extractor fans that could be mounted in the ceiling. When I got an estimate for my original bungalow design, the contractor listed 10 fans and there were 10 rooms, so I assumed that he was planning to install one in each room and in the ceiling. He was far too expensive, so I did not follow it up.

Colin
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on March 13, 2008, 04:21:39 PM
All you really need is one large extractor fan....preferably in attic/loft

Then a few vents in the ceiling of each room
ducting from vents to fan would increase efficiency greatly
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 13, 2008, 05:43:53 PM
I have an extractor fan in my office its about 12 inches across, cost about 600p no aircon, I am too cheep but I have just put in a evaporative cooler which we fill up with ice and a bit of water, works great and I am moving the extractor fan upto the very top of our bedroom, our bedroom is at the top of the house and we have no attic, I suppose our room is where the attic would normally be, it draws 40 watts and is very quiet, put on about 1 hr before bed, it\'ll pull all the hot air out of the house and push it out of the building. It has louvers on the outside to stop bugs coming in, they close when its not running and the air flow pushes them open when running. 1 summer without aircon or some sort of cooling system in the bedroom is enough for me.

Wayne
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on March 13, 2008, 09:38:37 PM
Wayne discovers the Kilgoorlie Cooler, and adapts it for a/c


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Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 14, 2008, 12:41:15 AM
Its portable and I literally have to sit right in front of it but it works.

Wayne
Title: Re: Lifestyle [attic heat]
Post by: on March 14, 2008, 08:38:16 AM
Fans fans fans, good but cost to operate.

Once installed, turban vents in the roof cost nothing to operate and are effective since heat raises to operate them and wind helps to suck the heat out of the building too.

The trick is find them built with sealed or teflon type  bearings, otherwise they do squeak in time. 

Attic fans will need maintaining, (cleaning),  from time to time and normally not done until they make noise or stop working. Lint gathered in an electric mortor can cause a fire!

If a roof has gables at both ends with an overhang to protect from the wind driven rain, large screen opening at the upper end of both ends is even cheaper to install and can make a big difference in the attic area.  No overhang, install louvers at a 45 degree.
B-Ray
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Beatle on March 25, 2008, 09:46:49 PM


     when I was a young kid ( 40 years ago ) my dad would take a burlap sack( the ones a hundred pounds of potatoes would come in) and put it over a window, then hook a water hose and put the end  of it just over the burlap sack and let water drip onto the sack. on the inside of the window he would put a fan in front of the screen to pull outside air through the wet sack.
 now the water being cold that was dripping onto the sack, it would act as an air con and believe it or not it would cool the first floor down of our big old farmhouse.

                      Has anyone ever seen this done or tryed it themselves?
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 25, 2008, 09:56:44 PM
Commercially they are a swamp cooler, same idea, run water over a porous surface and pull air through it, the air cools to near the temp of the water and is pumped out to the environment. Have one here, the portable one I spoke of, but you can get roof mounted ones for the hole house, but using a hose is expensive due to the cost of the water, and once the water is recirculated a couple of times it becomes the same temp as the air passing over it, so all it does is humidify an already humid environment.

Wayne
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on March 25, 2008, 10:02:17 PM


     when I was a young kid ( 40 years ago ) my dad would take a burlap sack( the ones a hundred pounds of potatoes would come in) and put it over a window, then hook a water hose and put the end  of it just over the burlap sack and let water drip onto the sack. on the inside of the window he would put a fan in front of the screen to pull outside air through the wet sack.
 now the water being cold that was dripping onto the sack, it would act as an air con and believe it or not it would cool the first floor down of our big old farmhouse.

                      Has anyone ever seen this done or tryed it themselves?



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Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 25, 2008, 10:08:22 PM
Kalgoorlie Cooler, slight misspelling there dave, but we Aussies are a forgiving lot. Even if we can\'t spell.....

Wayne
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Beatle on March 25, 2008, 11:08:11 PM


      we had our own water well so we could use as much water as needed and it didn\'t cost a dime.  As I wrote this a thought came up,  does anyone know about what the average cost of having a water well drilled is?  either in San Jose, Bicol area or
Canlubang,Laguna .   

                                                         Ray
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 25, 2008, 11:23:02 PM
Last time we had it done or I say my wifes Aunt at our present house in Taytay it was 10k not including the pump, depends on how deep the water table is, I have heard 12 meters and other say as much as 100 meters. When they put in one opposite our house in Catanduanes, Bicol it was done in a day.

Wayne
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: on March 25, 2008, 11:51:11 PM
Last time we had it done or I say my wifes Aunt at our present house in Taytay it was 10k not including the pump, depends on how deep the water table is, I have heard 12 meters and other say as much as 100 meters. When they put in one opposite our house in Catanduanes, Bicol it was done in a day.

Wayne

10k? P OR $ ?

I thought i\'d seen 1 quote for $4,000 for a 40\' well on Cebu, that was thru limestone
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 26, 2008, 12:22:12 AM
10k pisos. Each islands structure will be different, in Bicol you will more than likely be dealing with volcanic rock, Mayan is right around the corner and others besides, there is another big and extinct one near Naga. It really depends on the depth of the water table and how close you are to the ocean as to what you will be drilling through. In catanduanes, it was mostly a clay loam so it was quick and 12 mtrs.

In Laguna, its all volcanic. Laguna De Bay is the Caldera of a Volcano as well, so it will be tough as nails to drill through, just my opinion though, more than likely wrong, but its my best guess based on the geology of the area.

Wayne
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: stillbilly2002 on March 26, 2008, 12:57:02 AM
wayne , your our front line reporter..manning our FOP(forward observation post )
   needed to know about digging a well....... merci ,mon ami.....thank you my friend...Stillbilly..
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 28, 2008, 09:49:16 PM
My dalawa centavos:  We spent about $450.00 to drill the well and then have installed an electrical pump with hand powered backup and 250 gallon pressurized water tank.  The family lives in Novaliches near Fairview in metro Manila.  Although the water is relatively good quality, they sell the well water and purchase bottled water for drinking, brushing teeth, cooking, etc.
Title: Re: Lifestyle
Post by: coutts00 on March 29, 2008, 12:35:59 AM
My dalawa centavos:  We spent about $450.00 to drill the well and then have installed an electrical pump with hand powered backup and 250 gallon pressurized water tank.  The family lives in Novaliches near Fairview in metro Manila.  Although the water is relatively good quality, they sell the well water and purchase bottled water for drinking, brushing teeth, cooking, etc.

Did that include the pumps or just the drilling?

Wayne

It included the drilling, pump, water tank and installation.  Also this was 5 years ago.  You can certainly count on an increase in prices since then.

Jack