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JoeLP:
--- Quote from: bigrod on August 29, 2021, 03:53:44 PM ---If you need info concerning the needs/reason the request was made ask the individual by PM. Annual website fee is approx php 17K. The forum has no dues! The donation button is functional at all times and members can donate anytime, so we do not have to scramble in Jun-Jul to get the funds together!
Chuck
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Bigrod,
I have no problem with the current setup. I think, for now, it's the right way to go.
That said, I'd LOVE for there to be more transparency. Maybe one thread where everything a donation is made, it is shown on that thread. I can see very easily some being worried that the person in charge of the money somehow end up losing some of it. So, having a thread where every time someone donates a 1000 php being shown and added to previous donations would be a good thing to let everyone know how much has been raised and at the same time, while leaving the donors anonymous, would show them recognition that the money has been received and added to the total amount donated. I can be checked at any time by anyone on the site.
I just have a gut feeling that this could lead to more donations throughout the year. Keep the "June/July" rushes from being the "hassle" that they seem to be now.
Just a thought.
MotorSarge:
Bigrod,
It's not about the setup....its about the situation at hand of someone controlling the memberships monetary funds (you just don't end up losing some of it) when they are in dire straits and emailing/requesting members for donations of monies needing to survive hard times. So since someone has stated knowledge of what has been the costs yearly to operate the LITP...I would suspect they also have knowledge of the monies donated for the year? Where is this recorded? We don't need a monthly or yearly tally by name and paid record.....break this this down into active membership dues to suffice the cost of operating the page annually. In the eyes of the GOV/Public world this would have hints of Embezzlement all over it for such...... and last but not least maybe we need to incorporate a GOFUNDMEACCOUNT link for members in such need....I'll be the first to donate to such a cause.
--- Quote from: JoeLP on August 29, 2021, 08:12:42 PM ---Bigrod,
I have no problem with the current setup. I think, for now, it's the right way to go.
That said, I'd LOVE for there to be more transparency. Maybe one thread where everything a donation is made, it is shown on that thread. I can see very easily some being worried that the person in charge of the money somehow end up losing some of it. So, having a thread where every time someone donates a 1000 php being shown and added to previous donations would be a good thing to let everyone know how much has been raised and at the same time, while leaving the donors anonymous, would show them recognition that the money has been received and added to the total amount donated. I can be checked at any time by anyone on the site.
I just have a gut feeling that this could lead to more donations throughout the year. Keep the "June/July" rushes from being the "hassle" that they seem to be now.
Just a thought.
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bigrod:
--- Quote from: MotorSarge on August 30, 2021, 10:42:08 AM ---Bigrod,
It's not about the setup....its about the situation at hand of someone controlling the memberships monetary funds (you just don't end up losing some of it) when they are in dire straits and emailing/requesting members for donations of monies needing to survive hard times. So since someone has stated knowledge of what has been the costs yearly to operate the LITP...I would suspect they also have knowledge of the monies donated for the year? Where is this recorded? We don't need a monthly or yearly tally by name and paid record.....break this this down into active membership dues to suffice the cost of operating the page annually. In the eyes of the GOV/Public world this would have hints of Embezzlement all over it for such...... and last but not least maybe we need to incorporate a GOFUNDMEACCOUNT link for members in such need....I'll be the first to donate to such a cause.
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To begin with as stated before there are not any membership dues! I personally do not propose that dues should be started. Jack was provided with updates to the donations which he advised me of. As far as I know no donation funds were lost! Are you insinuating funds were misappropriated or stolen? Members were advised by post where the donation amounts stood at periodically during the fund raising period, maybe you missed that! You can set up a GOFUNDMEACCOUNT for needy members if you so desire. The Admins/Mods/etc are volunteers that have a life besides LITP. I would request from Gerlie that she post any donations received during the year so that members are aware of the status of donations.
Chuck
JoeLP:
--- Quote from: MotorSarge on August 30, 2021, 10:42:08 AM ---Bigrod,
It's not about the setup....its about the situation at hand of someone controlling the memberships monetary funds (you just don't end up losing some of it) when they are in dire straits and emailing/requesting members for donations of monies needing to survive hard times. So since someone has stated knowledge of what has been the costs yearly to operate the LITP...I would suspect they also have knowledge of the monies donated for the year? Where is this recorded? We don't need a monthly or yearly tally by name and paid record.....break this this down into active membership dues to suffice the cost of operating the page annually. In the eyes of the GOV/Public world this would have hints of Embezzlement all over it for such...... and last but not least maybe we need to incorporate a GOFUNDMEACCOUNT link for members in such need....I'll be the first to donate to such a cause.
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I think Bigrod already touched on some of this. That said, I stand by the no membership fees. Any time you get into trying to set something like that up it'll take more work and money spent and raise the costs of the site. This site just isn't big enough to handle it. As I previously stated, I think the current setup is the best one.
All I was seeking was more accountability. Did someone steal or lose any of the money donated? I have no idea. Maybe, maybe not, and as far as I'm concerned, if it happened, it was in the past, and it should stay there. I'm more about setting up a system that pretty much demands accountability. Something as simple as one thread on the site that was about nothing but the financial state of the site. No one could post to it but those at the highest level of administrator. Every time a donation is made it is listed. Again, keep the names off. That said, if someone in say October came across some extra money and wanted to donate 1000php, they would see that amount added pretty soon to that thread showing evidence that their payment did go through, and that it was now added to the "income account"(if you will) and there is evidence for all to see. Again, accountability for everyone and peace of mind for those who donate. It confirms to them that their donation was received and everyone sees the added amount to the "income total" on that thread. Thus, adding peace of mind to those on here to enjoy the site and can see the money coming in and accounted for.
Again, no names. Just accountability. Peace of mind.
And yes, I understand that this isn't a fool proof setup. If two people anonymously donate the same amount, and the person who is in charge of that shows only one being received, who'd know any different. I get it. But the above system would add more accountability than it has now. And if someone donates 1500 or 500 php and it doesn't show, they'd have the right to start asking hard questions.
Also, money donated to the site should be for the site, not the people on it. If you feel that a member needs money, a "gofundme" page could do what you desire. And it'd keep the whole page and the funding of it much cleaner.
Gray Wolf:
No money has been misplaced, stolen, reappropriated or otherwise gone unaccounted for. Every piso donated to the forum went to paying for the hosting service. I can say that with complete certainty. I saw all the receipts.
Joe made a good suggestion that we start a new sticky topic with an ongoing status of the forum funding. I see a lot of value in that if properly attended.
I got a PM too. I made a donation to my kapatid Gerlie, from her kuya Jack, just as I might do for a relative or old friend, on a case by case basis. I advised against posting a request on the forum as that is against the rules. But I must admit that I also stated that it was within her privileges as a member to send a PM to any other member, concerning any subject, privately. Not what I would do, but technically within the rules.
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