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Title: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 29, 2010, 10:32:57 AM
When I lived in the PI before, for some nine years, I always felt a certain sense of excitement, satisfaction, at  just living in Asia. Almost daily I would think of this, feel it, sense it, even when things got incredibly frustrating and I felt like I hated the place, it\'d soon be okay when I calmed down a bit later.

There is a movie, called \" A life less ordinary\". I\'ve never seen it, but I think of it every time I remember what it was like living in the PI.

The secret to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering. I seriously don\'t want to grow old and feeble in a cold and wet country like England, wishing away the nine months of winter, hoping for a good summer.

We only moved because work was looking shaky, and I was worried that if I became jobless I\'d have to go back to the UK and seek work, and my wife had no visa for England.

When we moved to the UK, in 2002, I used to sit in the window and look out at the grey sky, the dreary, heavy, endlessly grey sky, and wonder what on earth had possessed us to move back to England.  ???

That lasted several years, on and off, and my wife still feels it a lot of the time. England just never worked out for her. She misses the Filipino sun, the food, the chika, the people, the way of life.

I also hate the miserable English way of life. This preoccupation with football, with violence and being \'ard.  ???

The American medic I work with spent lots of time in England. She says the English always seem to work very hard at being miserable.

My wife says of the English: they just seem to sad.

Both are very good descriptions, very apt.

And the politics, and the lies, the dramas, the continual raping of the system, the sell out to Europe, the political correctness, the once-great welfare system, that has turned into a bastardised, abused  and accepted way of life for millions.  The bludgers and scroungers, the arseholes who never work a day in their lives yet are in the pub every night, and have a home and a car!

And now we are planning to move back to the PI! I\'m feeling a little nervous, a little hesitant, but it is all good.  ;D


And my daughter wants a dog! We used to have lots of dogs when we lived there before:  :D  ;D

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Life was good.

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That’s a very black picture you paint of the UK, and while there is an element of truth in what you say, I do feel that it is highly exaggerated. Life is what you make it wherever you make it. If my money would go as far in the UK as it does here then I would be back there right now.

What is there to like about the UK.
Free health system, better TV, better internet, better choice of food, better beer etc etc. You don’t have to mix with football louts or spend time with them drinking in the pub. When it comes to scenery, there are some beautiful places in the UK even in the snow.

What is there to dislike about the Philippines.
The sun, its generally too hot to go out between 8am and 4pm. In a colder climate you can just add more clothes, here when you are down to the skin in a brown out you just have to lay down and sweat.
The food, unless you are in places like Manila or Cebu, it is rice with everything unless you are a good cook and prepared to do your own cooking.
The driving, although I am used to it now, it would be nice to get a bit of sanity.
The corruption, in any dealing here, the first priority is to find someone that is honest.

I know people are going to disagree with me, but this is not paradise, just the other side of the fence that people like to dream about.

The bottom line is the extra money you have to spend, and what you can do with it.

I am here to stay with no thought of ever returning to the UK

Colin
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: jonnyivy on March 29, 2010, 09:53:53 PM
Well I will agree with King on this one. I\'ve witnessed most of what he mentions,.. goodness me I live in a \"working mans street\", the only nieghbor in the street who doesn\'t work, is an anchoholic,... and he has far more money/ flatscreen TV\'s in every room/ brand new car every 3 years / every computer game you will ever see, and spends all day on his @ss grumping about how bad the country is !!
England/Scotland,.. who cares,.. I\'d like out too.

Jonny
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 30, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
Like they say \"beautiful place to visit(UK), but wouldn\'t want to live there\"

I\'ve spent 32 of my 61 years living outside the UK......could never live there on a long term basis......what troubles me most is the \"lout\" culture and the \"subconcious (or concious) consumption\" mind sets I see there.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 30, 2010, 02:30:28 AM

That’s a very black picture you paint of the UK, and while there is an element of truth in what you say, I do feel that it is highly exaggerated. Life is what you make it wherever you make it. If my money would go as far in the UK as it does here then I would be back there right now.

What is there to like about the UK.
Free health system, better TV, better internet, better choice of food, better beer etc etc. You don’t have to mix with football louts or spend time with them drinking in the pub. When it comes to scenery, there are some beautiful places in the UK even in the snow.

What is there to dislike about the Philippines.....

Obviously, I\'m painting a picture of how I feel about the country in general. The UK does have some of the best scenery in the world, on a nice day.  One thing I missed in my years overseas was the change of seasons you get in England. However, I soon discovered that I really, really don\'t like the continually grey weather, and the continually grey attitude of the people that results.  Iif the weather didn\'t change, most English people would have nothing to talk about!  ;)

I\'ve lived in several countries over the years (probably spent half my life outside the UK) and each country has it faults, and each one you feel great about when you first move there, and each one you slowly start to see nothing but the bad side after a while.

I get the impression you really want to leave the PI Colin? You sound somewhat mercenary when you say you\'d move back to England if you could afford it, which means you only like the PI because it is cheap?

The grass is always greener, but I can honestly say I had no such green illusions of England when we had to move back there in 2002. I could not beleive how expensive it is compared to the PI, but we never realised that until after we moved.

Other good things about England, indeed, and 1st world country, is that things come with warranties, guarantees, a return and replace policy. A method of complaint, Justice etc Something you\'ll rarely get in the third world.

But you have to pay through the nose for it.

And TV license. Try explaining to a Filipino that we have to spend 11,000 pesos a year on a license merely to own a tv!  ;D

I am sure that once we have settled in the PI for a while I will soon find things to grumble at, familiarity breeds contempt etc etc.

And I\'m sure I\'ll once again start to miss the change of seasons, flowers blooming in Spring, the crisp cold of a November morning etc.....

Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: RUFUS on March 30, 2010, 02:40:10 AM
And TV license. Try explaining to a Filipino that we have to spend 11,000 pesos a year on a license merely to own a tv!  ;D
TV license ???... try explaining that to us Americans too...
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 30, 2010, 02:57:37 AM
And TV license. Try explaining to a Filipino that we have to spend 11,000 pesos a year on a license merely to own a tv!  ;D
TV license ???... try explaining that to us Americans too...

You need to buy a license from the government if you want to keep a tv in your house. £144 a year last time I checked.

Now you see why the UK is oft referred to as Rip Off England.

We also pay £130 a month tax to the local council authorities, to pay for garbage disposal and road repairs and other stuff around the town. That is on top of any tax you pay on your income.

£40 a month for water rates, to pay for tap water and drainage.

Our house cost us £150,000 (about US$250,000) but it a small, three bedroom, semi detached, with a small patch of land, in a small one-horse town. What you\'d call a duplex I think. I beleive we have just about the highest priced housing in the world, comparing like for like with other countries.

People say the NHS (National Health System) is free, but it is not, our income tax covers that.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 30, 2010, 08:56:54 AM
I thought my post would stir up a few comments ;D.

The bad weather in the UK may make you want to stay indoors more, but the excessive heat does the same thing here, and you get that for the whole twelve months. That is why the shopping malls are so popular.

I don’t want to leave the Philippines, as you say there are good and bad things about every country, but the people that continually describe this place as paradise, really should get their head out of the clouds.

Mercenary!  I don’t think so. I must have spent over P1M on paying medical expenses for family members, mainly on two people who would have died without it. Then my medication is costing me a permanent P10,000 a month. Add to that the education we are providing for the younger members.

The National health system is not free, just freely available; it is just a form of compulsory health insurance. It is interesting to note that the US seems to be moving in that direction.

These comments about football louts puzzles me, I have never come across football or any other sort of lout, but maybe that is because I never watch football, or even spend Saturday night in the Pub.

Yes, there are a lot of people that take advantage of the various forms of free financial help, my younger daughter being one of them. It needs to be overhauled to prevent the abuses.

I think the TV License is the best thing since sliced bread. You don’t just get 4 (?) add free TV channels (plus radio), but it keeps the commercial channels in line. Nobody will continue to watch a channel that is continually interrupted with lousy advertisements when they can switch to the BBC and watch programmes through with no interruption. I guess people in the US have been brought up on commercials, but here in the Philippines that has been copied and made ten times worse. I channel hop here and then give up in frustration, and that is with satellite TV. The internet is far too slow to even watch short U-tube clips.

I do miss the change of seasons, flowers blooming in Spring, the crisp cold of a November morning, but there are compensations. I have always wanted to design my own house, I have done that (a few problems getting it built  :( ), I am an old DIY person but would prefer to pay someone else to do a lot of those things now, I can do that here.

Colin
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 30, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
[strike]\"It\'s the economy, stupid\"[/strike]

\"It\'s the people, folks\"

The good ones outweigh the bad

The hugs and love from our spouses

The smiles of little kids for just seeing you

That REALLY hard worker that you finally found

etc etc

The thousands of islands and beaches were what I thought I was coming for
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: Terpe on March 30, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
The UK has both good and bad aspects. It\'s a matter of personal taste. You might think it\'s great and want to move there, or you might be stuck in the UK and think it\'s terrible and you\'d like to escape.
High (and ever increasing) retirement age, too few public holidays, miserable weather and a soaring cost of living (not to mention extreme high property costs) have combined to leave the UK trailing most other countries  in a recent survey measuring disposable incomes and quality of life.

Brits are taxed until the pip squeaks, the quality of life is appalling, wages are shameful and crime is spiralling.
The criminals have free rein while law abiding people are persecuted.
The overbearing burden of bureaucracy, absurd laws and nanny state interventionism (over zealous sticking to trivial legalistic minutii) makes the country almost unjust to live in. There’s not much here for me to be cheerful about.

Good aspects
1. Free Health care
2. A lot of alcohol
3. Close to a lot of other different countries
4. Wonderful Chocolate
5. Generally honest police
6. Good TV

Bad Aspects
1. Terrible weather
2. Expensive as hell
3. High taxes
4. Underfunded healthcare
5. Very poor transit systems
6. Bland food
7. Very high levels of anti-social yobbish behaviour
8. Poor care for the elderly

Like many others I was lucky enough to travel extensively, especially SE Asia. I seem to have adapted very willingly to these different cultures and lifestyle but at the same time to become alienate from the UK lifestyle.
In an ideal world both my wife and I would choose to live in Japan. But as a UK pensioner this would just not be feasible.

Living in the Philippines would allow us to enjoy a relatively stress free retirement among family and friends. It would allow us to live a comfortable life financially and would allow us both to travel (we are both avid travellers) and also visit our friends in Japan as often as we want.

My only concern about leaving the UK is regarding the loss of free healthcare.
Although good healthcare is available in the Philippines of course it needs to be paid for. This means having a substantial emergency medical fund available to me.

Peter

Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: paulgee on March 31, 2010, 02:53:06 AM

There was a  survey done recently in the UK, and in it 40% of people said they had thought of moving abroad. Obviously that is a lot of wishful thinking from many, but it does point to a good deal of dissatisfaction with the direction the country is heading.

Certainly it has changed a lot during my lifetime, and in general not for the better.
However, if you move to a 3rd world country like the Philippines you will miss out on the way the state cares for you during ill health, pays generously to the unemployed and disadvantaged,  has a better infrastructure - and many things we take for granted, but would miss in the Philippines.

I don’t know how many men, married to Filipinas, would contemplate moving there if they were single. In trying to analyse my thoughts I think it is a combination of several things; a desire to be free from a disappointing and changing country, the feeling of ‘coming home’ that I get when visiting the Philippines and my wife’s family, and of course the country itself and its people. Climatewise I prefer hot weather, and would rather be too hot than too cold.

The first time I flew there, staying in a Manila hotel, we walked most days down the side street  to get places; and in it, on one side, was a large hole where a concrete cover had been removed. The hole was about 18” square and 2 feet deep. It was there also on a subsequent visit. If that had been in the UK, if ‘Health and Safety’ had not intervened, then certainly a lot of drivers and pedestrians would have sued for damages.  But there everyone knew about it, so avoided it. Problem solved!

The other thing is that most westeners who move to the Philippines are treated like, or can act like, kings. Everything is so cheap to buy, we are bigger than the natives, richer than them and more knowledgeable about the world generally. And yet we are welcomed into their lives, and families without question, and I think we can see in the people a goodness, simplicity and contentment that many pampered westeners never attain. Maybe we just yearn for a simple uncomplicated world to enjoy our later years. I know I do .......

Paul





Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 31, 2010, 04:32:42 AM

I think the TV License is the best thing since sliced bread. You don’t just get 4 (?) add free TV channels (plus radio), but it keeps the commercial channels in line. Nobody will continue to watch a channel that is continually interrupted with lousy advertisements when they can switch to the BBC and watch programmes through with no interruption. I guess people in the US have been brought up on commercials, but here in the Philippines that has been copied and made ten times worse. I channel hop here and then give up in frustration, and that is with satellite TV. The internet is far too slow to even watch short U-tube clips.

You make it sound like the BBC has something of interest to watch 24/7 on all four of their channels, like some oasis of common sense in a sea of the commercial junk on cable tv.  ;D

Once upon a time the BBC could be relied on to give solid, impartial, mature information and news, decent drama, interesting documentary, but nowadays they have simply become another brainwashed/brainwashing tool of the government.

We have 150 channels of basically absolute rubbish cable tv, on Virgin, and of all that the ones I usually watch are the Discovery channels.

On tv on my ship in the USA we have another 200 channels of basura on Direct tv, and I only ever watch HBO or sometimes the DIY programs, or Speed channel.

The saddest thing ever to happen to tv anywhere, everywhere, is the invention  of \"Reality TV\". If it says \'Reality TV\' in the title, it guarantees it is anything BUT reality.  ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 31, 2010, 05:53:55 AM

These comments about football louts puzzles me, I have never come across football or any other sort of lout, but maybe that is because I never watch football, or even spend Saturday night in the Pub.

Colin

Puzzled me too....FOOTBALL wasn\'t mentioned! Projecting your hatred of football  :D?

LOUTS are EVERYWHERE, walk down any high street, call them chavs, spivs, skels, yobs.......seemed like it used to be about the odd 5-10% or less of the population.....now it seems to be about 30-40% and they ain\'t growing old gracefully there 30, 40 and even 50 year olds in what I term LOUTS.
And it\'s not just guys either...it\'s their girls, their kids.......
And it\'s not just Saturday nights at the pub....it\'s midday, early evenings in malls, high streets etc

Maybe you lived in a much smaller town than I\'ve lived in/visited in the last 10 years (Oxford/Portsmouth/Exeter)



Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: fred on March 31, 2010, 02:21:24 PM

That’s a very black picture you paint of the UK, and while there is an element of truth in what you say, I do feel that it is highly exaggerated. Life is what you make it wherever you make it. If my money would go as far in the UK as it does here then I would be back there right now.

What is there to like about the UK.
Free health system, better TV, better internet, better choice of food, better beer etc etc. You don’t have to mix with football louts or spend time with them drinking in the pub. When it comes to scenery, there are some beautiful places in the UK even in the snow.

What is there to dislike about the Philippines.....

Obviously, I\'m painting a picture of how I feel about the country in general. The UK does have some of the best scenery in the world, on a nice day.  One thing I missed in my years overseas was the change of seasons you get in England. However, I soon discovered that I really, really don\'t like the continually grey weather, and the continually grey attitude of the people that results.  Iif the weather didn\'t change, most English people would have nothing to talk about!  ;)

I\'ve lived in several countries over the years (probably spent half my life outside the UK) and each country has it faults, and each one you feel great about when you first move there, and each one you slowly start to see nothing but the bad side after a while.

I get the impression you really want to leave the PI Colin? You sound somewhat mercenary when you say you\'d move back to England if you could afford it, which means you only like the PI because it is cheap?

The grass is always greener, but I can honestly say I had no such green illusions of England when we had to move back there in 2002. I could not beleive how expensive it is compared to the PI, but we never realised that until after we moved.

Other good things about England, indeed, and 1st world country, is that things come with warranties, guarantees, a return and replace policy. A method of complaint, Justice etc Something you\'ll rarely get in the third world.

But you have to pay through the nose for it.

And TV license. Try explaining to a Filipino that we have to spend 11,000 pesos a year on a license merely to own a tv!  ;D

I am sure that once we have settled in the PI for a while I will soon find things to grumble at, familiarity breeds contempt etc etc.

And I\'m sure I\'ll once again start to miss the change of seasons, flowers blooming in Spring, the crisp cold of a November morning etc.....




I dont think you have set a black enough picture of the UK as it is now...I think you went far too easy on that damned place myself!!
Ive been here this time around 3 years and regret nothing..To me this is real paradise and I have NEVER been happier..Im far too young to receive a pension and extremely fortunate to have been able to escape that hell hole whilst I still have a personality!!
Whilst in the UK I was usually miserable and stressed and completely sick to death of the way that the government constantly found new ways to legally steal my money ..for my own good of course.
I still find it astounding that a Polish guy can claim child benefit in the UK for his Polish children that live in Poland whilst I,whom have paid in all my life am am considered a health tourist cheat should I return for treatment.
My sister came over to visit 3 weeks ago..She loves it here and would move in a heartbeat if she had the means..She says that she has recently been told that all radios in the work place have now been banned due to new licensing issues..Even though she is a TV/radio licence holder!! It seems that all work places will be soon ordered to comply..
Absolutely sick to death of hearing about the place..
Get yourself over here at your first opportunity is my advice!
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 31, 2010, 04:03:58 PM

These comments about football louts puzzles me, I have never come across football or any other sort of lout, but maybe that is because I never watch football, or even spend Saturday night in the Pub.

Colin

Puzzled me too....FOOTBALL wasn\'t mentioned! Projecting your hatred of football  :D?

LOUTS are EVERYWHERE, walk down any high street, call them chavs, spivs, skels, yobs.......seemed like it used to be about the odd 5-10% or less of the population.....now it seems to be about 30-40% and they ain\'t growing old gracefully there 30, 40 and even 50 year olds in what I term LOUTS.
And it\'s not just guys either...it\'s their girls, their kids.......
And it\'s not just Saturday nights at the pub....it\'s midday, early evenings in malls, high streets etc

Maybe you lived in a much smaller town than I\'ve lived in/visited in the last 10 years (Oxford/Portsmouth/Exeter)



Quote from King Herald \'This preoccupation with football, with violence and being \'ard.\' Maybe not a direct reference, but the words football and louts seem to go together.

I must admit that the idea of grown men getting violent after watching 22 other men kicking around a bag of air does seem a bit weird to me  ;D

I lived for many years near the small town of Diss in Norfolk, but did not see any louts on my frequent visits to Norwich. I also used to work in various places in central London, but that was many years ago.

Colin
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: jonnyivy on March 31, 2010, 05:27:35 PM
Fred,..

Totally agree with you,... I too, if I had the means, would up sticks and move out there. No wonder most folks walking around the streets have long faces here in UK.
It doesn\'t matter to me what others say about living in the Philippines,... Ive been there enough times now to realise the place is right for ME !!!!
Lucky for me I found the right woman, the right village, the right family, all on the first visit !

Jonny
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: fred on March 31, 2010, 10:06:30 PM
Jon.. I hope you make it back home soon.. Im here with the Mrs and 2 kids and we have never been happier..

I just got off the Skype phone with an old UK mate..He says there is a bit of a fuss in the newspapers over UK Government spies fining the parents of a young boy 1000 Pounds because he sold his pet gold fish to a local pet shop because it seems  he was under age!! lol..
You really couldnt make this stuff up!! It just gets worse and worse..
regards,
Fred.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: aerosick on March 31, 2010, 10:15:21 PM
Jon.. I hope you make it back home soon.. Im here with the Mrs and 2 kids and we have never been happier..

I just got off the Skype phone with an old UK mate..He says there is a bit of a fuss in the newspapers over UK Government spies fining the parents of a young boy 1000 Pounds because he sold his pet gold fish to a local pet shop because it seems  he was under age!! lol..
You really couldnt make this stuff up!! It just gets worse and worse..
regards,
Fred.



Here it is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1262250/Great-grandmother-tagged-selling-goldfish.html

Billy
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: fred on March 31, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
Thanks Billy...Oops..Looks like I got the story wrong!!
It was the 66 year old pet shop owner that got fined  1000 Quid for breaking the new animal welfare laws !!
My bad.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 31, 2010, 10:53:38 PM

These comments about football louts puzzles me, I have never come across football or any other sort of lout, but maybe that is because I never watch football, or even spend Saturday night in the Pub.

Colin

Puzzled me too....FOOTBALL wasn\'t mentioned! Projecting your hatred of football  :D?

LOUTS are EVERYWHERE, walk down any high street, call them chavs, spivs, skels, yobs.......seemed like it used to be about the odd 5-10% or less of the population.....now it seems to be about 30-40% and they ain\'t growing old gracefully there 30, 40 and even 50 year olds in what I term LOUTS.
And it\'s not just guys either...it\'s their girls, their kids.......
And it\'s not just Saturday nights at the pub....it\'s midday, early evenings in malls, high streets etc

Maybe you lived in a much smaller town than I\'ve lived in/visited in the last 10 years (Oxford/Portsmouth/Exeter)



Quote from King Herald \'This preoccupation with football, with violence and being \'ard.\' Maybe not a direct reference, but the words football and louts seem to go together.

Colin

Hmmm only because you REPEATEDLY  are putting the two together.....louts don\'t appear in Kings posting .....nor football in mind.......bit of deep seated prejudice showing through?
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on March 31, 2010, 11:31:37 PM

These comments about football louts puzzles me, I have never come across football or any other sort of lout, but maybe that is because I never watch football, or even spend Saturday night in the Pub.

Colin

Puzzled me too....FOOTBALL wasn\'t mentioned! Projecting your hatred of football  :D?

LOUTS are EVERYWHERE, walk down any high street, call them chavs, spivs, skels, yobs.......seemed like it used to be about the odd 5-10% or less of the population.....now it seems to be about 30-40% and they ain\'t growing old gracefully there 30, 40 and even 50 year olds in what I term LOUTS.
And it\'s not just guys either...it\'s their girls, their kids.......
And it\'s not just Saturday nights at the pub....it\'s midday, early evenings in malls, high streets etc

Maybe you lived in a much smaller town than I\'ve lived in/visited in the last 10 years (Oxford/Portsmouth/Exeter)



Quote from King Herald \'This preoccupation with football, with violence and being \'ard.\' Maybe not a direct reference, but the words football and louts seem to go together.

Colin

Hmmm only because you REPEATEDLY  are putting the two together.....louts don\'t appear in Kings posting .....nor football in mind.......bit of deep seated predjudice showing through?

They do go together extremely well, and to read any newspaper during the football season you will see them inexorably linked. The \'football mentality\' doesn\'t refer simply to football, but a whole mindset, the gang/club attitude, the loud shouting and chanting in fake deep voices, the \'hard man\' look, the \'you want agro mate\' attitude, the stiff shoulder as you try to squeeze through a pub or club.

I don\'t even go to pubs any more, as it is so tedious watching the youth of today getting absolutely hammered and blind stupid drunk, girls half dressed and screeching to each other in the street, broken windows where \'hard men\' have put their fist through them. Having to be careful not to catch the wrong persons eye, as so many young people are cocked, ready to prove something, ready to unload their shoulder chip on you. 

I come from a small, one horse town, with but two little night clubs, but the scene is the same across the whole country. And most western countries I\'d guess. The gang culture sliding over from the USA. We now have Proms, prom queens, prom dress, Limos, Hoodies, jeans hanging down round our buttocks, etc etc.

We have an ever increasing culture of yobbism and loserism, where being down and out and useless and on the dole is seen as a cool!

We\'ve have had fifteen years of a government that encouraged the lowest common denominator, made ignorance and poverty a virtue, and despised excellence by deliberately mislabelling it as elitism. The consequences were obvious to everyone except the government and the gullible.

We have a police force/legal system that treats rapist and murderers and yobs as misguided individuals, and seeks to council them, advise them, rather than treat them as violent criminals and punish them!

And now we have the fantasy of MMGW, yet another excuse for the government to charge more tax and control what we do.

I see the UK going nowhere fast in the near future.

Having said that, locked up in my lovely little workshop I actually see very little of all that.

Not until \'people power\' takes to the streets and we are under martial law, anyway. :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on April 01, 2010, 12:06:20 AM
I\'m not saying they don\'t go together but HATE it when someone puts words in my mouth (or in others)
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: jonnyivy on April 01, 2010, 01:58:39 AM
Several of our nieghbors have helped to convert a garage into a glass patio-doored little \"pub\" in our back garden. We sit out there Saturday nights, rain or snow and watch TV, listten to music and have a drink round a chimenea fireplace. Its almost like being in the Phils, except the fires to keep us warm, not to keep the mossies away. I worked the doors of our top 4 nightspots in my late 20\'s till I was 40. I don\'t suppose there will ever again be the same atmosphere, dancing , having fun etc that we overseen in those days. I don\'t think I\'d ever want to try to deal with the mentality of todays youth when they have been drinking/taking drugs. In the Phils,.. I can re-live those olden days with the locals,.. just sitting around the front door, chatting, laughing ( and boy, can they laugh ), listening to music and watching the kids playing around us all. On top of that, I can wander down to the beach and watch the sun go down over Negros Island . Seems just like taking a step back in time.

Jonny
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 01, 2010, 04:06:35 AM
Several of our nieghbors have helped to convert a garage into a glass patio-doored little \"pub\" in our back garden. We sit out there Saturday nights, rain or snow and watch TV, listten to music and have a drink round a chimenea fireplace. ...


One of my vague background ideas when I built my workshop was that maybe one day, in the distant future, when I tire of welding and car building, the big front doors could be replaced by a big full height PVC bay window, and we could convert it into a little summer house. The sun comes through the front all day long, and it would be a luvverly little place to sit back, grow old, and watch the grand kids playing in the garden.  8)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Garage/Paintedoutside.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Garage/Garageinpaint.jpg)

Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: jonnyivy on April 01, 2010, 04:42:23 AM
Whats the car in the garage King ?
I used to own an original chassis Ford pop many years ago. Built by a professional, with the V8 engine, jag axle and lowered roof. It was raced at Santa pod before I owned it. I have some pics somewhere that I\'ll hunt out along with some of a very nice V8 trike I had. Being a builder, you\'ll know how much work goes into getting them to look that way.
Seems like there\'s more common interests among the members than just the Philippines !! (have mercy mods, its good to side-track a wee bit now and then )

Also had a nitro Suzuki gs 1275 when I used to have the b@lls to ride it

Jonny
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 01, 2010, 10:32:44 AM
Whats the car in the garage King ?

That\'ll be my little hot rod project.  :D I\'m toying with taking it to the PI with us, but I think I may have inadvertently sold it now, much to my wifes chagrin.

Sounds like you\'ve had a few interesting toys in your time.

 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Jago/IMG_2455.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Jago/Gettingthere.jpg)

Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 01, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
That would raise a few eyebrows, but every policeman would pull you over just to have a look  ;D

Colin
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: coutts00 on April 01, 2010, 01:20:10 PM
Could be a problem, to my knowledge V8\'s are not permitted anymore in the RP, but I could be wrong, you did have a V8 motorcycle there so almost anything goes if you can convince customs people.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 01, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
Could be a problem, to my knowledge V8\'s are not permitted anymore in the RP, but I could be wrong, you did have a V8 motorcycle there so almost anything goes if you can convince customs people.

There\'s plenty of V8s in the PI Wayne, mainly in muscle cars. I never did get my V8 bike on the road, but I started the registration process with no setbacks.

http://www.69pace.com/GaragePower.htm

The importation regs say no car over 2.8 litres to be imported, but I shall bring mine in with no motor or transmission, tell them it is a \'home made car, unfinished, no drive train, no windows, no paint\' and see if I can get by without too much coffee money.  ;)
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on April 01, 2010, 10:01:55 PM
If you can\'t enough power out of a turbocharged 2.8 Four valve V6 you ain\'t trying

Me, I\'ll be content with a 2.0 with a 5:1 rear axle.......more than enough for short straights in the Philippines
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: BC Boy on April 01, 2010, 10:26:25 PM
Groovy avatar King H.  ;D

I am sure you can pay a fixer to make your hot rod a 4 cylinder on paper.....jk bad joke.

I have been in PI for 3 months now, first time was one month. And well....all the things i thought where lame back home are still lame(materialism, fake lives, fake people, false sense of security etc etc.) But i sure could use a roll in the snow and a few days of hard work. The heat is getting to me and i am getting bored of island hopping if you can believe that.  ;)

I am getting home sick and its making me second guess things.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: jonnyivy on April 01, 2010, 11:06:30 PM
There you are King,... but the photo\'s are taken before I had digital camera, so excuse the copies,...

The GSXR 1275 nitro,.... The V8 trike with my older kids mum,... and the chopped Ford pop


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Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 01, 2010, 11:55:56 PM
Cool Pop! The trike piccie don\'t come through though  ???

Do you get on the NSRA forum at all in the UK?
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 02, 2010, 01:29:26 AM
If you can\'t enough power out of a turbocharged 2.8 Four valve V6 you ain\'t trying

Me, I\'ll be content with a 2.0 with a 5:1 rear axle.......more than enough for short straights in the Philippines

I\'ve got an inkling to experiment with a straight six turbo diesel, just for the hell of it.  :D

Groovy avatar King H.  ;D

I am sure you can pay a helper to make your hot rod a 4 cylinder on paper.....jk bad joke.

I have been in PI for 3 months now, first time was one month. And well....all the things i thought where lame back home are still lame(materialism, fake lives, fake people, false sense of security etc etc.) But i sure could use a roll in the snow and a few days of hard work. The heat is getting to me and i am getting bored of island hopping if you can believe that.  ;)

I am getting home sick and its making me second guess things.

You\'d be surprised what can happen on paper for the price of a good meal.  ;D The V8 motor in my bike didn\'t actually exist, as I\'d been sold a forged paperwork for it, but a little \'coffee money\', a day in Manila for one of them,  and the girls in the LTO made it appear in the record system.

One thing you need in the PI is a hobby, a past time, something to keep you sane. I\'ve seen so many healthy guys simply whither away to a wreck because they thought they\'d be happy to simply drink beer and hang around the bar all day for ever more.
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 02, 2010, 08:45:38 AM
One thing you need in the PI is a hobby, a past time, something to keep you sane. I\'ve seen so many healthy guys simply whither away to a wreck because they thought they\'d be happy to simply drink beer and hang around the bar all day for ever more.

I couldn\'t agree more, which is why I have included a hobby room in my house design. I am getting a bit old for this heavy engineering, but I have a box full of model aircraft engines including an OS Wankel that has never been run. The problem for me is getting glow fuel over to Palawan and getting ether to mix my own diesel fuel.

Colin
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: heartjewel on April 08, 2010, 07:33:44 PM
Hi Guys,
          I know what you mean about living in the UK, and Europe. Once you have lived in Asia i think it must get under your skin !!
 As we have lived out of the UK for 10yrs, and we did spend 3yrs in Spain. But on returning to Spain we could only be there for 2 months as the weather and the costs blew us away, so back we came to Thailand. So for us the move to PH is just what we need and no more shipping around the world.All we have to do is find the right place, so any advise on where would be great as it is not so easy.
And as you know us Brits do like to be around some of our own just for comfort i think ?
 We are hoping to find out as much as possible so that we can decide.
  Thanks in advance Di ;D
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 08, 2010, 09:44:41 PM
And as you know us Brits do like to be around some of our own just for comfort i think ?

That is not a view that I share. I find that all expats share the same experiences and thoughts of our own home countries tend to fade. The same also applies with Filipinos, I am as comfortable with them, maybe even more so, than I am with foreigners.

Colin
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 09, 2010, 12:16:21 AM
And as you know us Brits do like to be around some of our own just for comfort i think ?

That is not a view that I share. I find that all expats share the same experiences and thoughts of our own home countries tend to fade. The same also applies with Filipinos, I am as comfortable with them, maybe even more so, than I am with foreigners.

Colin
There are a good few \'English Pubs\' dotted around Asia, usually where the English go, to watch football on wide screen, eat fish and chips or steak and chips, and drink Guiness.....  ;)

I must admit, I do go into them on occasion, usually for a bit of good old fashioned English grub.

But I generally don\'t dally long, rubbing shoulders with my fellow countrymen.... :P
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: heartjewel on April 09, 2010, 12:14:14 PM
Hi Guys, Sorry about the thread i did, i think it all came out wrong.
The problem we have here is the language Thai is dammed near impossible, and we have tried but it is so hard. I really agree with the comment about the Filipinos as we had good friends in the past in another part of the country. Where we live now is a bit in the sticks, and there is only a couple of Thai friends who speak a little English, so it would be great to be able to make friends with there being no language barrier.
 Hope this explains why we want to come to join you folks !!
           Cheers Di  :D
Title: Re: Why I want to leave the UK
Post by: on April 09, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
Hi Guys, Sorry about the thread i did, i think it all came out wrong.
The problem we have here is the language Thai is dammed near impossible, and we have tried but it is so hard. I really agree with the comment about the Filipinos as we had good friends in the past in another part of the country. Where we live now is a bit in the sticks, and there is only a couple of Thai friends who speak a little English, so it would be great to be able to make friends with there being no language barrier.
 Hope this explains why we want to come to join you folks !!
           Cheers Di  :D
I spent ages learning to speak passable Thai. It is not too difficult to speak.

The hardest part is reading and writing it  ??? :-[ :-X