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Jeepney phaseout begins January 2018

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Lee2:
Finally an end to the smoke belchers coming within years.

--- Quote ---It’s the end of the road for the country’s iconic jeepney.

Beginning next week, the Department of Transportation (DOTr) will remove jeepneys that are at least 15 years old from streets as part of the government’s transport modernization program.

DOTr Undersecretary Thomas Orbos yesterday said they would start taking out the “problematic” jeepneys beginning January – the start of a three-year transition period.
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lost_in_samoa:

--- Quote from: Lee2 on January 08, 2018, 11:20:06 PM ---smoke belchers
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But.............

Battery technology is held in the 1900's by the big boys.  Blocking patents and unlimited funds for lawyers.  Can't let us great unwashed get a hold of "disruptive technology".

With the tropical heat here the current technology battery lifespan will be REALLY short.  So what about the battery waste? 

Which is worse?  Liquid lead calcium that has been made super permeable by thousands of cycles of acid dissolution,  Nickel, Cadmium, Lithium wastes in high alkaline PH solution,  or diesel smoke?

Electric vehicles can be accurately described as "external combustion" engines.  Fuel burning still happens.  Just at the generation facility. 

And what with generator efficiency/conversion/transmission losses, you have to create just about double the electrical energy that you do diesel energy to perform the same work.

So, Unless someone breaks the energy cartel's monopoly, electric vehicles are not a viable option.  If they were they would be ubiquitous across the developed world.  And they are not.

Then there is the economic aspect of this.......

I wonder how much commerce,  goods, and services are transported by Jeepney's?  What will be the effect of hampering that?

Don't get me wrong.  I hear you about the fumes.  Gives Ester a sinus infection every time she goes to town.

I worry that this has not been thought out.  That the folks doing the thinking may have a vested interest in pushing in a particular direction.  One that we slobs in the day to day trenches won't appreciate.


Just contemplating the abyss.

Gray Wolf:
The Euro 4 compliant standards do not mandate electric vehicles, merely higher standards for emissions. Diesel vehicles that meet the Euro 4 standard should emit 68 percent less particulate matter, 57 percent less nitrogen oxides, and 50 percent less carbon monoxide. The fuel needed is already in the PH, so all the jeepney's need are newer diesel engines. Of course it will likely be easier to buy a completely new jeepney instead of just changing the engine, albeit more expensive.

BudM:
There is supposedly a program in place to lighten the financial burden that the owners/drivers would endure if they need to convert.  Plus, in my opinion, they could help themselves by spending some of the pesos they put in saving by still using an old broke down and falling apart jeep all those years.  Then again, I might be miscalculating how much most of them had put away in savings.  I guess their best is with the program and raising fares.

lost_in_samoa:

--- Quote from: Gray Wolf on January 13, 2018, 02:28:57 AM ---The Euro 4 compliant standards do not mandate electric vehicles
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I stand corrected.  Thank you.

My comments on electrical vehicles was a pre-emptive strike.  They are not economically viable ..... until better battery technology is released for the public.

Just like ethanol or hydrogen is a net energy loser.

I guess the point I was trying to make is .......

Under the current economic system, (privately held central banking based on debt issuance), the ability to scrape by and earn enough to eat is stretched to it breaking point.  All over the world.

Two critical components of commerce are communications and transportation. 

Here in the RP,  a significant portion of that is based on inefficient diesel vehicles ..... busses, kuligligs, jeepney's, and local made "owners".

If you look at energy to work conversion factors for different "engine" technologies .... particularly engines that have been or can be fielded to the local family.  Diesels rate in the upper tiers.

It is a good thing that the pollution problems are being addressed .........

But at the same time  mandating additional expense to an already failing system might be inviting trouble.

Have the folks that developed the mandate thought this through?

Are THEIR motives OUR motives?

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