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Return Ticket Requirement to be Enforced
Peter:
--- Quote from: bigrod on April 01, 2019, 07:34:42 AM ---The airline checking has nothing to do with lengthy checks at Philippine Immigration. It is due to the hefty fine the airline would receive for the individual not having the ticket.
Chuck
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Spot on Chuck!
The airline is also responsible for returning the passenger to point of departure. Overall it will cost them financially.
For interest only.
When we returned to stay on retirement, our plan was for the wife to get me the balikbayan visa when we arrived. That way we could have up to 12 months to sort any paperwork problems before applying for the 13A.
When we checked with both the Philippines' Embassy in Oman and the airline (Etihad) if I could travel just on the wife's say-so that we could get the BB on arrival, both said I had to have an on-going ticket in case the BB privilege was not granted. The Embassy did stress that the BB is a privilege not a right.
So I bought an online, US$ 35, Tiger Air one way ticket to KL.
We got the BB on arrival and the rest, as they say, is history! :) :) :)
Peter
David690:
--- Quote from: bigrod on April 01, 2019, 07:34:42 AM ---The airline checking has nothing to do with lengthy checks at Philippine Immigration. It is due to the hefty fine the airline would receive for the individual not having the ticket.
Chuck
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And why are heavy fines imposed on the airline? To ensure that they do not allow passengers to fly here without the onward ticket. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if passengers turned up at Manila airport without the ticket. There are no facilities for arranging an onward ticket airside at Manila airport. It would be an impossible situation. So to avoid that, airlines are under strict instructions, with heavy fines etc, if they allow this to happen. Hence they ensure that no passengers is allowed to board without the ticket.
David690:
--- Quote from: Peter on April 01, 2019, 10:37:13 AM ---Spot on Chuck!
The airline is also responsible for returning the passenger to point of departure. Overall it will cost them financially.
For interest only.
When we returned to stay on retirement, our plan was for the wife to get me the balikbayan visa when we arrived. That way we could have up to 12 months to sort any paperwork problems before applying for the 13A.
When we checked with both the Philippines' Embassy in Oman and the airline (Etihad) if I could travel just on the wife's say-so that we could get the BB on arrival, both said I had to have an on-going ticket in case the BB privilege was not granted. The Embassy did stress that the BB is a privilege not a right.
So I bought an online, US$ 35, Tiger Air one way ticket to KL.
We got the BB on arrival and the rest, as they say, is history! :) :) :)
Peter
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See my reply to Chuck etc.
I also finally arrived here flying from Dubai and planning on obtaining a BB. I checked with Philippines Dept of Immigration and received an email message from them confirming that an onward ticket WAS NOT required. Accordingly I did not purchase an onward ticket and had no problem when checking in for my flight here with Emirates. The BB was issued at Manila Immigration in less than 10 minutes without any request to see an onward ticket.
Peter:
--- Quote from: David690 on April 01, 2019, 01:19:18 PM ---And why are heavy fines imposed on the airline? To ensure that they do not allow passengers to fly here without the onward ticket. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if passengers turned up at Manila airport without the ticket. There are no facilities for arranging an onward ticket airside at Manila airport. It would be an impossible situation. So to avoid that, airlines are under strict instructions, with heavy fines etc, if they allow this to happen. Hence they ensure that no passengers is allowed to board without the ticket.
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David.
it is not just the Philippines (..... they do not allow passengers to fly here without the onward ticket. ..... ) that require on ongoing ticket. There are many countries which have the same requirement before issuing a visa, whether prior or on-demand at the entry point.
It is not because the Philippines can't handle the influx (which they probably can't anyway ;) ), but rather a universal Immigration issue to stop neer-do-wells, or those with no visible means of support, from entering any country and abusing whatever social welfare system exists.
With an ongoing ticket requirement, the nation's Immigration Department are assured the tourist/visitor can depart - if they run out of money, for instance.
Most, if not all, Asean countries require non-Asean citizens/visitors/tourists to have ongoing tickets. Other countries also have similar non-citizen, or non-community (eg. EU/GCC) member, requlations.
Peter
David690:
--- Quote from: Peter on April 01, 2019, 02:17:07 PM ---David.
it is not just the Philippines (..... they do not allow passengers to fly here without the onward ticket. ..... ) that require on ongoing ticket. There are many countries which have the same requirement before issuing a visa, whether prior or on-demand at the entry point.
It is not because the Philippines can't handle the influx (which they probably can't anyway ;) ), but rather a universal Immigration issue to stop neer-do-wells, or those with no visible means of support, from entering any country and abusing whatever social welfare system exists.
With an ongoing ticket requirement, the nation's Immigration Department are assured the tourist/visitor can depart - if they run out of money, for instance.
Most, if not all, Asean countries require non-Asean citizens/visitors/tourists to have ongoing tickets. Other countries also have similar non-citizen, or non-community (eg. EU/GCC) member, requlations.
Peter
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Agreed, there are other countries that apply the onward ticket requirement. The way that they avoid this becoming an issue at their immigration desks is by imposing strict fines on the airlines if they permit someone to fly either without the correct visa, or passport that will allow visa on arrival, and onward ticket. If they waited until the visitor arrived at their immigration desks without a visa or an onward ticket, it would be an unmanageable situation, so they stop them ever arriving there by placing the responsibility on the airlines.
David
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