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Gray Wolf:
The man many loved to hate -

U.S. Sen. John McCain, a war hero who survived five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, served three decades in Congress and went on to become the Republican Party’s nominee for president in 2008, died Saturday. He was 81 years old. In his last hours, the Arizona Republican turned down further medical treatment, his family announced in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/25/john-mccain-dead-at-81.html

BudM:
RIP

lost_in_samoa:

--- Quote from: Gray Wolf on August 26, 2018, 10:14:12 PM ---U.S. Sen. John McCain
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Out of Christian respect for the passed I did not comment yesterday.  That was yesterday. 

Wetstart Songbird was my selected senator for many years.  May he find some peace in his travels.

Investigating John McCain

JoeLP:
I had issues with John.  And I'll leave those where they are.  But, when I as in college I met a Vietnam vet that was a POW for only 3 years.  He was one of the ones that would talk about it.  The stuff he told me....made me sick to my stomach in a point of time when I was full of the vigor of youth and raised more country and rough than city and soft and the stuff he said made  me sick and weak to the stomach. 

For all the issues I had with John, he'll always have my respect for going through what he did as a POW. 

BudM:

--- Quote from: JoeLP on August 28, 2018, 06:58:24 PM ---I had issues with John.  And I'll leave those where they are.  But, when I as in college I met a Vietnam vet that was a POW for only 3 years.  He was one of the ones that would talk about it.  The stuff he told me....made me sick to my stomach in a point of time when I was full of the vigor of youth and raised more country and rough than city and soft and the stuff he said made  me sick and weak to the stomach. 

For all the issues I had with John, he'll always have my respect for going through what he did as a POW.

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I had issues with him too.  That is why I did not say really anything.  Besides a few differences in POW stories, I have seen numerous things that are pretty much up in the air and can not be simplified in determining what happened with the Forrestal fire and the sequence of events that went down with him while he was still in the cockpit of the A-4 and then after he bailed out of it as to where he went, all which occurred only about two months before his mission where he was shot down.  His reputation wasn't helped in all that by the fact that his daddy was an active duty Admiral at the time and his Grandpappy had been one also.  And at least a couple of reversals went down on decisions made over if that Captain of the Forrestal was going to be held responsible for what happened or not.  Well, he went and died in 2012 so RIP to him too.

I wasn't over there let alone being a POW and I was also never a pilot and with all the scuttlebutt about what happened and the uncertainty, who am I to say?  Our issues did not mean squat to him when he was alive and they sure don't now, so yeah, he is gone and I am just letting it go and be over with.

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