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Post by: lost_in_samoa on March 03, 2010, 06:59:04 AM
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Title: Re: What do you think my chances of .......
Post by: cogon88 on March 03, 2010, 11:23:01 AM


75% no problem x 25% problem If you miss declare the goods and customs does an inspection they will seize the goods from you

Why do you not just import them legally you will be required to pay duty rate plus 12% vat on the CIF price to Manila

Call the BOC and ask them the duty rate on solar panels

They will also tell you how to import the goods legally

Best Regards

Tom / Roxas City

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Post by: dylanaz on March 03, 2010, 02:24:47 PM
Shipping in a couple of pallets of solar panels are?


I have been dreaming about that for ages... all this WASTED sunlight here... and plenty of roof space...

Found this nice 45 watt kit for $240 USD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882260007 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882260007)

Enough to maybe power a laptop .... or something small like a room fan or a light...
(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/82-260-007-V01?$S180W$)
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Post by: dylanaz on March 03, 2010, 03:14:53 PM
Try this.
[url]http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/solar_panels.htm[/url]


Wow thanks !

A link on that page included COMPLETE KITS - and about $4k USD for enough power for an AC unit !

Then I can have non-stop AC forever for a one time fee... will easily pay for itself in less than 3 years !

Well - if solar I will run the AC 24/7 so Im thinking it will pay for itself in about 1 year  ;D
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Post by: RUFUS on March 03, 2010, 03:56:38 PM
A smaller solar kit would be enough to charge a 12V battery setup and you could run lights or a car stereo off that. And as simple as it sounds(without going into details), you could be happy for days on a power outage such as after a typhoon.
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Post by: cogon88 on March 03, 2010, 04:18:15 PM
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My major concern is that I will ship in a few pallets of solar panels and they will be \"held hostage\" at the port until I either pay a huge tax or lose them through confiscation.

I\'ve priced panels in the RP.  The prices quoted are un-realistic.  Absurd.  Triple and quadruple of what the panel actually can be had for.

That leads me to believe that there is some sort of shenanigans taking place in Customs.

They are higher here because there is very little competition and unseen expenses caused by Shenanigans

Shenanigans (corruption) is here and well but you have chosen to retire in one of the most corrupt countries in the world

The standard custom line is they are going to re-evaluate the shipment this happens after you have already paid all of the importation charges

Then you will get a call saying the new charges for duty are 300,000 piso extra with receipt or 100,000 no receipt this works so good that the have shared this concept with the BIR also

If you try and contest the new customs charges  they will charge you wharfage until the case is resolved figure about 9-12 months which will exceed the 100,000 piso that they are asking for

I know I have played this game several times already the locals call it dancing with crocodiles

Welcome to Paradise

Best regards

Tom / Roxas City
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Post by: dylanaz on March 03, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
If you try and contest the new customs charges  they will charge you wharfage until the case is resolved figure about 9-12 months which will exceed the 100,000 piso that they are asking for

Solar panels? What solar panels???

Those are just stained glass panels that im going to install near my altar... in that little dark room in my house....  ;D
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Post by: RUFUS on March 04, 2010, 02:18:31 AM
Most everything could be shipped BBox and sent without a lot of the hassles.
Even smaller panels could be sent, then assembled later on site.
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Post by: RUFUS on March 04, 2010, 04:12:52 AM
Here are a couple sources I had bookmarked

http://www.mrsolar.com/content/solar-panels.php

http://www.siliconsolar.com/solar-panels.html

With some high output LED\'s and deep cycle batteries(like a couple golf cart type), a house could be lighted with a few small panels and maybe even backed up by an on-grid trickle charger.
A setup like this could be done very inexpensively. Granted it won\'t power a whole house stuffed with a foreigners gotta haves, but it could provide light and information/entertainment(such as a 12v car stereo/CD) in times of blackout or disaster related outages to small homes or a BRGY town shelter.

And most of this stuff would easily fit in a BBox
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Post by: dylanaz on March 04, 2010, 04:33:06 AM
That is my next research direction.

Just remember B-Boxes have no weight limit - I would suggest putting anything important in a wooden frame/crate before packing it into those boxes...

I sent a 6\' electronic piano in a U-Haul wardrobe box cut down to size surrounded by bubble wrap (about 9\" of wrap\" - it needed a few minor repairs from getting knocked around and lack of crating material.

Standard 3\' x 3\' boxes are roughly $100 each to send... you pay by volume - so that piano costed $150 to send (it was thin). Crating material is the key since you get unlimited weight.
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Post by: RUFUS on March 04, 2010, 04:57:32 AM
Just remember B-Boxes have no weight limit - I would suggest putting anything important in a wooden frame/crate before packing it into those boxes...
And remember... Strapping tape is your friend ;D
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Post by: cesarsjewels on March 04, 2010, 11:10:32 PM
http://magazine-directory.com/Mother-Earth-News.htm
Mother has an article this issue on thin solar film
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Post by: dylanaz on March 05, 2010, 05:32:08 AM
[url]http://magazine-directory.com/Mother-Earth-News.htm[/url]
Mother has an article this issue on thin solar film


I forgot all about that magazine and its recycled pages of thick paper ! - the family had a subscription to it when I was a kid so I took a look at your links...

Nice and easy to follow !

Thanks
(http://www.motherearthnews.com/uploadedImages/articles/issues/1979-09-01/059-070-01pic.jpg)
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Post by: dylanaz on March 15, 2010, 11:11:18 PM
Japan just gave the Philippines over 13 BILLION peso to help develop solar power !

http://livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php/topic,3477.0.html (http://livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php/topic,3477.0.html)

Finally - they realize they have been wasting all this free power !

But do they realy need 13 BILLION to outfit one facility... lets hope that place starts cranking out solar panels for public use !
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Post by: RUFUS on March 16, 2010, 01:37:33 AM
I hope they do build panels for public use and not end up squandering the money...time will tell.
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Post by: tennesseevolunteer on March 18, 2010, 12:59:41 AM
I have thought so much about solar power my head hurts. A guy has system on ebay that would be perfect for my new home but getting it there would be the bigggggggg problem. This is used but has everything you need such as enough panels to produce electric power, all the control panels, plenty of deep cell batteries and converter that converts to 220 or 110. The catch you have to disassembled every  thing cart up and ship SOMEWHERE.

The solar water heater I am making one at this moment form my home here and will build one in the Philippines for our new home.
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Post by: RUFUS on March 18, 2010, 02:11:16 AM
A water heater could easily be made from stuff found anywhere in the Philippines.
The electrical panels would definitely have to be shipped in.
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Post by: nadine on March 18, 2010, 03:35:11 PM
just a suggestion...windmill is very good source of power also..i have seen it myself and even had gone to their vestas factory in europe...if there is any that you think i could be of help about this i am willing to be one among you here...thanks
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Post by: ibew_intrinsic on March 18, 2010, 09:05:52 PM
just a suggestion...windmill is very good source of power also..i have seen it myself and even had gone to their vestas factory in europe...if there is any that you think i could be of help about this i am willing to be one among you here...thanks
Welcome to the group!

mark
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Post by: Gray Wolf on March 18, 2010, 11:26:53 PM
Wind turbines, micro-hydroelectric units, solar panels for heat and electricity, bio-digesters... all viable, renewable forms of power generation.  The technology exists, the only problem is getting the necessary hardware in place for a nominal cost.  I\'ve researched many RP suppliers in the past, but I\'m certain that by now that list is outdated and many of them may no longer be in business.  Others are just too expensive.   

Why don\'t we all put together a listing of good sources for renewable energy products?  I\'ll start a new topic for this, along with some basic guidelines for the list.  I think they should be places we\'ve actually used or have good knowledge of so we don\'t lead each other astray.

I firmly believe we should all practice renewable energy use in some form.  As for myself, I plan to use everything I can to become energy self-sufficient, using all the technology I can afford.  The good thing is that many alternative forms of energy generation can be made from easily obtainable materials and require minimal upkeep.  I know a couple of you are already practicing one or more forms of alternative/renewable energy.  Please, share with all of us what you\'ve learned. 

I look forward to putting together a good source of information for others to learn from as they find the need or opportunity to engage in some form of renewable energy production.
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Post by: Knowdafish on May 02, 2010, 03:29:45 PM
Best bang for the buck solar panels I\'ve found so far, and that includes wholesalers that were a good deal in California.

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/

(commercial reference deleted by admin)

When comparing prices you want to use $ per rated watt.

I had no problem shipping \"sensitive\" equipment crated and lined with 1\" styrofoam. The crates were made out of 1\"x3\", 1\"x2\", and 1/2\" plywood with 100+ screws on the only part that opens. The remaining sides were glued AND screwed.

All items shipped through a balikbayan box shipping company and were declared as \"household goods\" by the freight company. Weight is irrelevant and they just charge by the cu foot/cu inch compared to a balikbayan box.

I shipped 9 over size crates and 7 large balikbayan boxes for around $1200.
It took longer than expected to get here, but there was no damage at all, and even the boxes were in good condition on arrival. I think I got a killer deal!! The key is packing things very well and tight so there is no movement whatsoever in the box/crate. All of my boxes were HEAVILY reinforced with stranded packing tape, and the ones that were really heavy were double lined with heavy cardboard. The freight company strapped all the boxes too free of charge. Boxes, cardboard, tape, wood ,and styrofoam are cheap compared to the contents!
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Post by: Knowdafish on May 16, 2010, 02:05:20 PM
Calculating the Payback Period for a Photovoltaic System


http://energybible.com/solar_energy/calculating_payback.html
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Post by: JHunt on May 16, 2010, 11:07:14 PM
Anyone here on the forum ever build that solar hot water unit?  I believe you could cut costs even more by using black polyethylene pipe instead of copper tubing.  My brother in Colorado heats (warms) his pool using a couple hundred feet of 1\" poly.  I have used \'solar\' hot water showers in the woods on backpacking trips for 25 years.  Just thinking out loud...copper is usually quite expensive.
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Post by: Gray Wolf on May 17, 2010, 12:20:16 AM
Just thinking out loud...copper is usually quite expensive.

Copper can and will be \"liberated\" quite often by any number of enterprising thieves.  Just ask Meralco, Bayantel, PLDT et al about the problems they have with copper wire being stolen and sold as \"scrap\".
Go poly...
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Post by: RUFUS on May 17, 2010, 01:23:04 AM
Copper has the added labor of needing to be painted black as well.
Definitely poly coil pipe...
Black drain (ABS or DWV) pipe could also be used, it would give a larger pipe volume and be great for more heat storage, but I wouldn\'t use it for consumption.
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Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on May 17, 2010, 04:05:32 AM
Anyone here on the forum ever build that solar hot water unit?  I believe you could cut costs even more by using black polyethylene pipe instead of copper tubing.  My brother in Colorado heats (warms) his pool using a couple hundred feet of 1\" poly.  I have used \'solar\' hot water showers in the woods on backpacking trips for 25 years.  Just thinking out loud...copper is usually quite expensive.

Had one built one for my boat in stainless, 2\'x2\'x4\" - warmed the water for showers and dish washing, used from Cape Cod to Key West.
Never even needed to paint it black. Tho I saw some yachties do it.
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Post by: Randor on May 20, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
Hey guys, I\'ve got the \"coolest\" solar hot water heater anywhere around. A big 1,000-liter stainless steel tank sitting on the roof all day in the blazing sun. If you like warm showers, you schedule them in the evening/night. If you like cool showers (like I do) you take your shower in the morning.

No panels, no extra high-tech equipment, no customs problems -- and all free energy courtesy of old Mr. Sol.

Yes... I do remember when I first came to live here, rented a townhouse with no hot water heater. First time I took a shower thought I\'d have a heart attack it was so cold. Now, 10 yrs later, I\'m debating whether I\'ll even bother to install instant-on-demand water heater units in our new house -- somehow the water doesn\'t seem cold at all anymore... hehehe.

Regards, Randor
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Post by: RUFUS on May 20, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
That is pretty much the way I thought.
After swimming in mountain lakes and rivers most of my life, the cool water showers there were not a problem at all. Actually I found them refreshing.