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Title: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: B.Wolfe on December 30, 2010, 03:34:16 PM
Does anyone know if there is a big reason why security walls are so often made from hollow blocks, at a much greater expense than a chain link fence could be erected for. The walls are often unsightly, and give the appearance of wanting nothing to do with the neighbors.  A fence would be just as secure, could even have a barbed wire runner  at the top, and would be up a lot faster and cheaper. In this country, it would also be very fast to achieve privacy with the way vegetation could blanket a fence.  Is it just me, or does anyone else think there is a better way?
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on December 30, 2010, 05:43:59 PM
Does anyone know if there is a big reason why security walls are so often made from hollow blocks, at a much greater expense than a chain link fence could be erected for. The walls are often unsightly, and give the appearance of wanting nothing to do with the neighbors.  A fence would be just as secure, could even have a barbed wire runner  at the top, and would be up a lot faster and cheaper. In this country, it would also be very fast to achieve privacy with the way vegetation could blanket a fence.  Is it just me, or does anyone else think there is a better way?

A chain link fence could easily be cut or pulled up, they do not keep out determined Filipinos. I saw one opened up within days of it being installed around the airfield in Lingayen Pangasinan. It blocked the shortcut across the runway to the beach  ;D  Not so easily to knock a hole in a hollow block wall.

Colin
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on December 30, 2010, 09:36:27 PM
Does anyone know if there is a big reason why security walls are so often made from hollow blocks, at a much greater expense than a chain link fence could be erected for. The walls are often unsightly, and give the appearance of wanting nothing to do with the neighbors.  A fence would be just as secure, could even have a barbed wire runner  at the top, and would be up a lot faster and cheaper. In this country, it would also be very fast to achieve privacy with the way vegetation could blanket a fence.  Is it just me, or does anyone else think there is a better way?

You do what you want to do. If you want a chain link fence, that can be seen through and cut very easily, then you can do that. But if you want privacy, want to stop people eye-balling your operation, nosing into your property, then you put a solid fence. It can be wood, concrete, or some old corrugated roofing you find up the street. I have seen it all in the PI.

As you may have noticed, dishonesty is prevalent in, er, certain countries, so the less people can see of your belongings the less temptation there is for them.

There is also a reason people put up heavy steel grills over all their windows in the Philippines. Decoration I guess.......  ;)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: kaselehlia on December 31, 2010, 03:22:19 AM
Even at 60yrs old I can climb a chain link fence with a couple of barb wires on top as fast as when I was 10yrs old.
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on December 31, 2010, 04:18:44 AM
And you can be over a concrete wall with broken glass on top in seconds, with a cheap ladder and a piece of heavy carpet or rubber sheet.

But we\'ll have our usual half dozen crazy dogs on the other side waiting for you.  ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Family/The_whole_family.jpg)

Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: B.Wolfe on December 31, 2010, 06:01:01 PM
I have seen the chain link fences that they sell here. I was referring to maybe importing a roll or two of the real stuff, like what the use around prisons in the U.S.  That kind is made from heavy duty wire that would make difficult work for  the kind of wire cutters you can buy here.
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on December 31, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
I have seen the chain link fences that they sell here. I was referring to maybe importing a roll or two of the real stuff, like what the use around prisons in the U.S.  That kind is made from heavy duty wire that would make difficult work for  the kind of wire cutters you can buy here.

It would be cheaper to build a hollow block wall, and you can buy good wire cutters and even bolt cutters. If someone is determined to get in you won\'t easily stop them, but it is better not to tempt them by allowing then to see what you have got. Most thieves are opportunists, so it is better not to encourage them. The best answer is a good guard dog.

Colin
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: PenthouseLife on December 31, 2010, 06:22:39 PM
8 pesos per hollow block, i know it\'s hard to believe but probably less expensive than the fencing lol
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on December 31, 2010, 10:34:01 PM
8 pesos per hollow block, i know it\'s hard to believe but probably less expensive than the fencing lol

We just had a quote for a wall round part of our plot, 2.5 m tall by 35 metres long: 80,000 pesos.

That is in Angeles, so all prices are inflated accordingly....  :o
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 01, 2011, 01:40:48 AM
8 pesos per hollow block, i know it\'s hard to believe but probably less expensive than the fencing lol

We just had a quote for a wall round part of our plot, 2.5 m tall by 35 metres long: 80,000 pesos.

That is in Angeles, so all prices are inflated accordingly....  :o

That\'s roughly $1700.  I\'ll bet that an 8 foot x 115 foot chain link fence in the US or UK would cost more than that    ;)   :)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 01, 2011, 02:30:34 AM
That\'s roughly $1700.  I\'ll bet that an 8 foot x 115 foot chain link fence in the US or UK would cost more than that    ;)   :)

I just received an email from a friend in Denver.  He called a local fence company and got prices for chain link fencing.  Commercial grade  $21p/f  115 ft =$2415...residential $18 p/f = $2070

As residential is usually only 4 foot, I would think that the commercial grade is more in line with our comparison of a 2.5m HB wall.
 
Conclusion: The HB wall is cheaper and more secure from inquisitive eyes.   ;)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 01, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
8 pesos per hollow block, i know it\'s hard to believe but probably less expensive than the fencing lol

We just had a quote for a wall round part of our plot, 2.5 m tall by 35 metres long: 80,000 pesos.

That is in Angeles, so all prices are inflated accordingly....  :o

That is about the same sort of cost that I have seen quoted before and will expect to pay. Unfortunately that will cost me about P500k to fence our lot and may have to wait a while.

Colin
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 01, 2011, 10:09:41 PM

That is about the same sort of cost that I have seen quoted before and will expect to pay. Unfortunately that will cost me about P500k to fence our lot and may have to wait a while.

Colin

One of the down-sides of having a huge lot, eh Colin?  ;D
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 02, 2011, 12:36:39 AM
I think Colin\'s is 600sqm.....Imagine cost of our perimeter fence.......8800sqm.....not all fenced walled as yet

Loads of limestone rock on our lot......killed two birds with one stone.....used rock (from clearing lot) as wall material

Will top with 1m vertical steel rails



Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 02, 2011, 03:16:13 AM
I think Colin\'s is 600sqm.....Imagine cost of our perimeter fence.......8800sqm.....not all fenced walled as yet

Loads of limestone rock on our lot......killed two birds with one stone.....used rock (from clearing lot) as wall material

Will top with 1m vertical steel rails





Colins is 3000 sq m Ron, hence the kings ransom for the wall.   

We\'ll stick to our cute little 300.  ;D
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 02, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
I think Colin\'s is 600sqm.....Imagine cost of our perimeter fence.......8800sqm.....not all fenced walled as yet

Loads of limestone rock on our lot......killed two birds with one stone.....used rock (from clearing lot) as wall material

Will top with 1m vertical steel rails



Colins is 3000 sq m Ron, hence the kings ransom for the wall.   

We\'ll stick to our cute little 300.  ;D
King,

Your cute 300 cost not far short of my 3000 and would be no where big enough for me. Originally we were looking for a minimum of 1000 square metres as long as it was approx square. We settled for 1500 but found while planning the house that it was too narrow at 15 metres. We then bought an adjacent lot, each one costing approx P1M. We did not need 3000, but think of all the fruit trees and orchids we can now grow  ;D Also lots of vegetables at the back. I also do not like the idea of living in spitting distance of neighbours, them not us  ;D This is also the reason why I am building towards the back of the lot, any future neighbours are more likely to build nearer to the front. The wall may be a little expensive, but it is more than offset by the big advantage of a good garden and privacy.

Colin
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 02, 2011, 09:05:30 PM

Your cute 300 cost not far short of my 3000 and would be no where big enough for me.

If it were up to me I\'d be buying a large parcel of cheap land miles way from the nearest neighbour, but I\'m not allowed to make that sort of decision any more.  >:(

I\'d love some peace and quiet, and solitude, some room to grow, space to breathe and make noise, and not hear other peoples noise etc. But, wife and daughter want to be right near relatives, school  shops, security.....  :(
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 03, 2011, 01:26:41 AM
I\'d love some peace and quiet, and solitude, some room to grow, space to breathe and make noise, and not hear other peoples noise etc.

Precisely why I will insist on at least 2 hectares of land slightly outside of the city.  Close enough for a short drive to shop, etc, but far enough away to not be bothered by noise and traffic.  I won\'t bother to fence or wall it all in.  I\'ll settle for a security wall around the yard and garden area adjacent to the house.  The rest of the land can be open as far as I\'m concerned.  It will be used simply for room to breath and to plant some fruit trees.  Now all I need is about 5M pesos to get started.   Where\'s that lottery ticket I just bought?   ;D 

Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 03, 2011, 02:52:55 AM
2 hectares? My 8800sqm is waaaaaay big enough, too big for us.
But after subdividing I reckon 1500-2000sqm should be enough for about a dozen fruit trees, fish pond, swimming pool and 9mx18m lot for the house, oh yeah and Glo\'s veggie garden

Momo Beach 2km to the north west, Doljo beaches 3-4km west and Dumaluan Beach 5km south of us

9°35\'14\"N 123°45\'46\"E

9.5861353N 123.7630463E on Wikimapia

Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 03, 2011, 05:14:39 AM
2 hectares? My 8800sqm is waaaaaay big enough, too big for us.
But after subdividing I reckon 1500-2000sqm should be enough for about a dozen fruit trees, fish pond, swimming pool and 9mx18m lot for the house, oh yeah and Glo\'s veggie garden.......


We could get so much more \'bang for our buck\' if we moved away from Angeles to a less densely populated/tourist area.  :(
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 03, 2011, 05:49:53 AM
2 hectares? My 8800sqm is waaaaaay big enough, too big for us.
But after subdividing I reckon 1500-2000sqm should be enough for about a dozen fruit trees, fish pond, swimming pool and 9mx18m lot for the house, oh yeah and Glo\'s veggie garden.......


We could get so much more \'bang for our buck\' if we moved away from Angeles to a less densely populated/tourist area.  :(

Our lot is on Panglao Island......probably less densely populated.....hardly a non tourist area.....lot prices adjoining ours have gone up 4 fold in 3 years but still a bargain
.....even ocean front (@ P4-10,000/sqm seems cheaper than what you\'re paying in Angeles
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 03, 2011, 11:21:53 AM
.....even ocean front (@ P4-10,000/sqm seems cheaper than what you\'re paying in Angeles

We paid 5000 per sq metre, but the adjacent lot we thought of having too is 6000 per sq/m, because it is \'commercial land\'.  ???
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: fred on January 03, 2011, 12:21:10 PM
We live on 2 hectares and to be honest its too much like hard work just keeping all the grass and weeds down with only a strimmer!!...
Cant get decent petrol lawn mowers here so that is definitely another must have item for a BB box IMO..
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 03, 2011, 03:39:58 PM
Been off a while.  Just got back from first visit to house in Orion I will be moving to, hopefully sooner.  But pertaining to the fence.  I got real lucky I learned, and and still learning as i read this forum.  Solid cement walls, 7\' high(about).  Large gate in front.  House sits on about 1.7 hectares all walled in. 
But as mentioned below, now i got to worry about pouring the powder on the lawn to keep the ankle biters away, and keep it trimmed.  Fun. LOL
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 03, 2011, 03:52:16 PM
We live on 2 hectares and to be honest its too much like hard work just keeping all the grass and weeds down with only a strimmer!!...
Cant get decent petrol lawn mowers here so that is definitely another must have item for a BB box IMO..

Goats fred, goats. Well one goat anyway.....she won\'t eat everything but she\'ll eat most of it, especially if mixed rough grasses.
However goats will eat a wide range of food, preferring more fibrous food to lush grass. They will eat young thistles and brambles, as well as twigs, they also like bark from trees.

Anchor them down on 10m wire rope, move them daily or as needed - give \'em plenty of water and a bit of shade (that they can\'t eat  ;D ).
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 03, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
.....even ocean front (@ P4-10,000/sqm seems cheaper than what you\'re paying in Angeles

We paid 5000 per sq metre, but the adjacent lot we thought of having too is 6000 per sq/m, because it is \'commercial land\'.  ???

That\'ll be because it\'s zoned as commercial, usually 20-50% more expensive than lots zoned as residential.
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 03, 2011, 09:56:28 PM
.....even ocean front (@ P4-10,000/sqm seems cheaper than what you\'re paying in Angeles

We paid 5000 per sq metre, but the adjacent lot we thought of having too is 6000 per sq/m, because it is \'commercial land\'.  ???

That\'ll because it\'s zoned as commercial, usually 20-50% more expensive than lots zoned as residential.
Would it have any different \'rights\' as to usage, and different bills or costs, if we were to buy it and wall it in as a back yard?

It seems to be the common thing around our way, people buy two adjacent lots, put a wall round, but use one lot for their house, and the other as an empty garden, that can be sold later if required. Not a bad investment plan really.
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: Gray Wolf on January 04, 2011, 02:57:51 AM
Goats fred, goats. Well one goat anyway.....she won\'t eat everything but she\'ll eat most of it, especially if mixed rough grasses.
However goats will eat a wide range of food, preferring more fibrous food to lush grass. They will eat young thistles and brambles, as well as twigs, they also like bark from trees.

Anchor them down on 10m wire rope, move them daily or as needed - give \'em plenty of water and a bit of shade (that they can\'t eat  ;D ).

That\'s what I was just getting ready to post, goats.  I love the little critters anyway, and they can be an alternative source of good protein.  Very popular \"up north\" where we plan to live.  When making kaldereta, good hand-raised kambing is essential.  2-3 will be more than enough to assist in my \"lawncare\", whatever size I end up with.   :)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 04, 2011, 03:12:38 AM
.....even ocean front (@ P4-10,000/sqm seems cheaper than what you\'re paying in Angeles

We paid 5000 per sq metre, but the adjacent lot we thought of having too is 6000 per sq/m, because it is \'commercial land\'.  ???

That\'ll because it\'s zoned as commercial, usually 20-50% more expensive than lots zoned as residential.
Would it have any different \'rights\' as to usage, and different bills or costs, if we were to buy it and wall it in as a back yard?

It seems to be the common thing around our way, people buy two adjacent lots, put a wall round, but use one lot for their house, and the other as an empty garden, that can be sold later if required. Not a bad investment plan really.

Technically you can\'t build a commercial enterprise in a residentially zoned area, certain lots within a residential areas may be zoned \"commercial\" - usually at road  intesections BUT will have restrictions on what commercial enterprise can operate there (usually something that serves a community need - like a grocery store ......recycling toxic wastes wouldn\'t be allowed)

Taxes on commercial lots may be higher - check with your community tax assessor
Utilities serving the lot may also be higher

That\'s because a businesses can write off operating costs against taxes


You\'re absolutely correct about buying more land than needed (if available at the right price) - we\'ll be selling off 7000 or so square metres of our 8800sqm lot at some point in the future - as part of our investment plan
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 04, 2011, 07:58:10 AM
Goats fred, goats. Well one goat anyway.....she won\'t eat everything but she\'ll eat most of it, especially if mixed rough grasses.
However goats will eat a wide range of food, preferring more fibrous food to lush grass. They will eat young thistles and brambles, as well as twigs, they also like bark from trees.

Anchor them down on 10m wire rope, move them daily or as needed - give \'em plenty of water and a bit of shade (that they can\'t eat  ;D ).


That\'s what I was just getting ready to post, goats.  I love the little critters anyway, and they can be an alternative source of good protein.  Very popular \"up north\" where we plan to live.  When making kaldereta, good hand-raised kambing is essential.  2-3 will be more than enough to assist in my \"lawncare\", whatever size I end up with.   :)


There is some information about goats on the forum here:-
http://livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php/topic,515.15.html
Dave posted this link http://www.alaminosgoatfarm.com/ that gives a lot of info.

We had a small herd of standard Philippine goats, kept at the Inagawan Prison farm, but gave them away eventually. Whenever we had a party they killed one for us but we found them too bony to be worth while. Maybe the feed was the problem, but they could roam freely around the farm. There are better breeds available.

Colin
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 04, 2011, 10:10:44 AM
Just a general comment on goats

Boers are best for meat production
Swiss breeds Tonnenbergs, Saanen etc best milk varities
Anglo-Nubians goat for both

All are available in Philippines


In Bohol, Ubay\'s Agri farm will loan out quality Anglo-Nubian bucks for servicing local does to improve local stock, probably there\'s similar in other provinces

Ubay Stock Farm Location: Ubay, Bohol Tel. No. (63) (0918)600-3971; (63) (032) 255-3686 c/o DA-RFURegn VII)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: fred on January 04, 2011, 11:25:47 AM
Just a general comment on goats

Boers are best for meat production
Swiss breeds Tonnenbergs, Saanen etc best milk varities
Anglo-Nubians goat for both

All are available in Philippines


In Bohol, Ubay\'s Agri farm will loan out quality Anglo-Nubian bucks for servicing local does to improve local stock, probably there\'s similar in other provinces

Ubay Stock Farm Location: Ubay, Bohol Tel. No. (63) (0918)600-3971; (63) (032) 255-3686 c/o DA-RFURegn VII)

Capt..We had 10 goats that were tied up at various points around our lot..(belonged to my in laws) They eat certain weeds like the shy plant and Tawa tawa but grass was not on their menu..
They were tied up to 15 foot long ropes and in no more than an hour they were tangled up to the point they could no longer move..The rope gets stuck on Panglao rock,trees,weeds..Just about anything.. I needed to be home most of the day to untangle them so they could reach water... The final straw was when a couple got loose and ate a couple of young Champagne palms almost to the ground..They also helped themselves to my veggie garden..
We did try a cow once as these beasts do eat grass...It also escaped one time resulting in complete carnage!! 
Think I`ll wait for my BB box to arrive nalang!!
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: fred on January 04, 2011, 11:37:35 AM
Having said that...If you know of a breed here that does eat grass I might buy one...Yes..I said ONE!!
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: fred on January 04, 2011, 11:54:22 AM
Back to walls and fences.. We were looking at a lot for sale 2 months back.. A neighbouring lot that had been purchased by a foreigner had a 12 foot high wall all around the perimeter that completely shut them in.. The old lady that was showing us around said that locals were often worried that if there was a fire or any other emergency that they wouldn\'t be able to get in to help them.. She really did seem concerned..
Another issue with high walls is that they offer criminals,robbers the security in knowing that outsiders cannot see in whilst they do their thing..The point being that getting over is the least of their worries.. Dogs may be the answer although  its not unheard of for Filipinos to throw over poisoned meat..
Here in Manila I have noticed that people are starting to use razor wire..A bit like what you might expect to see on a prison wall... Might be the answer!!
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on January 04, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
10 goats on 2 acres seems like a lot of goats, my sister who kept goats for 20 years says 1 goat per acre is plenty

Goats DO eat some grasses, not ALL........an all grass diet is not good for them, any more than 45% can be bad for them,

Rensonni, centrosema, Guinea grass(Panicum), Napier grass(Elephant grass),  Para grass(Buffalo grass), Ipil-Ipil, Madre de cacao, Kakawate, Gliricidia, Flamingia,
laclay-guinan, gewawini, malabalatong, Calliandra, Paspalum

Now some of the above appear to be more like bushes/shrubs/trees but they ARE grasses.....even our beloved bamboo is a grass

Tethering goats doesn\'t have to be a nightmare of tangles

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/twentyfirstcen/goat.jpg)

The \"run line\" can be as long or short as you want/need


I\'m using my sisters experience + a pdf (Goat keeping in the tropics) as my primary guides
for copies, send me your e-mail address in a PM - its too large to attach here
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: fred on January 04, 2011, 01:08:35 PM
Yeah that looks like it might work Ron.. I`ll try it with a long length of G.I pipe.. Might even try it out with a cow.
Cheers,
Fred.
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 04, 2011, 10:12:45 PM
As for the height of the wall, our neighbour on one side already has an 8 foot wall, our rear wall will be the perimeter of the sub-div, which I want to be 8\' minimum, so we thought it logical to make the third wall 8 foot too, towards the other neighbour.

The front wall I want maybe 6\' high, just enough to stop passers-by checking out all our stuff easily, but there will be double wide gates which will have holes/patterns in to allow us and the dogs to see in/out etc.

I have been advised by Filipino workmates before not to make the walls totally encompassing, for just the reason Fred says: nobody can see what is going on in there. There could be a bloodbath, and robbers have the security of knowing nobody can see a thing.

I like to see who is outside the gates too, at a glance. And I like those outside to see we have a whole herd of hungry dogs, just waiting.....  ;D

Inside we will have some separation fences, to keep the furry guys quartered in separate areas.

I\'ve also decided the garage would be best kept separate from the house.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Family/aeca505c.jpg)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: fred on January 05, 2011, 12:57:06 AM
Sounds good King and I think the design of the house and garage also looks really good given the space you have to work with..
If it were mine I might even add some type of panelling onto your back garden walls  so at least you have total privacy back there for your BBQ`s and family events etc..
Cheers,
Fred.
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 05, 2011, 02:37:17 PM
It\'s one thing to have boundary fencing and a totally different ball game for \"security\" fencing!!

Now, what is really wanted in this thread??
B-Ray
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 05, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
A boundary security wall.  ;D

It\'s one thing to have boundary fencing and a totally different ball game for \"security\" fencing!!

Now, what is really wanted in this thread??
B-Ray
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 07, 2011, 06:54:55 AM
I haven\'t even got our wall up yet, but the wife is mad because I\'ve got the yard all cluttered up with hot rods and stuff. Maybe this should be in the tampo thread.  ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Family/d98c5915.jpg)
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence
Post by: on January 07, 2011, 09:06:33 AM
I haven\'t even got our wall up yet, but the wife is mad because I\'ve got the yard all cluttered up with hot rods and stuff. Maybe this should be in the tampo thread.  ;D

You are having fun with sketchup, have you tried inserting columns and beams; they seem to always get in the way of windows and doors  ;D

Colin
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence [plus living]
Post by: on January 07, 2011, 10:00:22 AM
When living in Alaska and bought, really traded for a lot, (this is DECADES AGO LOL), and had the work shop built just after the land was cleared and before the water well was drilled.

Talk about an American women PISSED, but maybe that was a form of TEMPO??? LMAO

I see that ~~I~~ have changed my tone over the many years, with grrrrrrr----eat benefits NOW living with another............. under the same roof 24/7!!!

I guess it depends what LEGACY we choose, at this stage in life, to leave behind when time put us ALL 6\' under? IE:  Me, Myself and I, or something else??
B-Ray

I haven\'t even got our wall up yet, but the wife is mad because I\'ve got the yard all cluttered up with hot rods and stuff. Maybe this should be in the tampo thread.  ;D

([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Family/d98c5915.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: Security Wall/Fence [plus living]
Post by: on January 07, 2011, 11:11:16 AM

You are having fun with sketchup, have you tried inserting columns and beams; they seem to always get in the way of windows and doors  ;D

Colin

I just discovered how to do multiple equispaced copies of things, so I may see about a row of strength pillars along the walls, and then maybe some beams and pillars inside the house.  ;D

Worst thing is when something just won\'t do as it is told to.  >:(


I see that ~~I~~ have changed my tone over the many years, with grrrrrrr----eat benefits NOW living with another............. under the same roof 24/7!!!


Oh yes, a month ago I was insisting the workshop be huge, and part of the house, but now I\'m thinking that it can wait a while, and we really need to get decent living quarters sorted out before my play room.