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It’s Your Money => Building in the Philippines => Topic started by: Oztravels on January 24, 2011, 05:57:08 AM

Title: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: Oztravels on January 24, 2011, 05:57:08 AM
Hi Everyone

We are just about to start fitting out our apartment in Bohol and looking into options for kitchens. We would like to try and get a kitchen that is somewhat modern (i.e. two pack with granite tops).

Most of the kitchens we have seen built here are quite chunky and heavy (timber) styles. While the workmanship of the ones we have seen are excellent they don\'t really fit with our \'minimalist\' style preferences.  Can anyone point me in the direction of an \'ikea\' style supplier that possibly flat packs kitchens. Alternately a local supplier that can build and ship what we are looking for?

All help is appreciated

David (Bohol)
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on January 24, 2011, 07:32:13 AM
Hi Everyone

We are just about to start fitting out our apartment in Bohol and looking into options for kitchens. We would like to try and get a kitchen that is somewhat modern (i.e. two pack with granite tops).

Most of the kitchens we have seen built here are quite chunky and heavy (timber) styles. While the workmanship of the ones we have seen are excellent they don\'t really fit with our \'minimalist\' style preferences.  Can anyone point me in the direction of an \'ikea\' style supplier that possibly flat packs kitchens. Alternately a local supplier that can build and ship what we are looking for?

All help is appreciated

David (Bohol)


I am hoping to get a local carpenter to construct cabinets to my design on site. Citi Hardware has a lot of the metal sliding racks and even some reasonable draw and door fronts.

Colin
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: Oztravels on January 24, 2011, 08:37:56 AM
Thanks Colin

I will give them a try today.

Cheers

David
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on January 24, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
David, a lot of Pinoys build the kitchen with concrete/tile top with a tiled sink. GRRRRR!!

Foreigners might use the same method but with SS sink and granite top and wooden doors.

Building with JUST wood, think about the humidity, (Island conditions), and insects involvement over time.  Doors  and cabinets can be replaced. BTW, some wood ready made kitchen produces will warp with time!!!

Tropical building takes a lot more evaluation then other parts of the world, from my POV!

Case in point, a buddy built a MASSIVE house in the mountains of the Philippines using sheetrock, (an American term), inside. Three years later, in a few areas, humiidiity is showing it\'s deed!! Standard \"sheetrock\" doesn\'t far well with humidity...................PERIOD and Islands always has humidity!!!

In other words, do right now by current conditions where your at or pay later!!!  BTW, there are NO hard and fast rules, building in the tropics and YOUR, (foreign), ways may not be to your best interest!!
B-Ray
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: Garpo on March 24, 2011, 09:36:03 AM
I have only been here since September of 2010 but have looked at many different homes and apartments and as of yet have not seen or found a kitchen with a dishwasher!   I guess this is one of the things that will be missed but gotten over with time.....lol
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on March 24, 2011, 09:51:59 AM
I wonder how well local \'exterior grade\' plywood would hold up for kitchen cabinet carcasses, if it were also treated with decent varnish/paint/preserver?

I see a lot of local cabinetry built out of the cheap \'ply-board\', with is basically timber offcuts glued together with a sheet of veneer glued to each side.  As soon as it gets a sniff of damp it de-laminates.

I\'ve though of importing mass produced doors and drawer fronts from the UK, but they may well be cheaper locally, and with the same quality, if produced properly.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on March 24, 2011, 10:01:24 AM
I have been thinking of using marine ply for all our cupboards. We were shown around a new house almost completed just down the road from our rented place. Although I was not too impressed with the building of the house in general, the cupboards were very good. They were all 3/4 marine ply with a very high gloss paint finish.

You can buy draw and cupboard fronts from city hardware that look quite reasonable.

Colin
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: suzukig1 on March 24, 2011, 11:25:04 AM
1. No dishwasher because many have live in maids or kids to do the dishes.

2. After you cook in the house for a while you\'ll understand why many people cook outside of the main house.  It gets too hot.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on March 24, 2011, 11:43:08 AM
2. After you cook in the house for a while you\'ll understand why many people cook outside of the main house.  It gets too hot.

Aircon?

I don\'t want to be bitten by bugs, and it is hot outside as well. The kitchen is one of the main areas where aircon is needed. It also helps using induction type hobs and a good ventilation system.

Colin
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 24, 2011, 12:05:53 PM
I have been thinking of using marine ply for all our cupboards. We were shown around a new house almost completed just down the road from our rented place. Although I was not too impressed with the building of the house in general, the cupboards were very good. They were all 3/4 marine ply with a very high gloss paint finish.

You can buy draw and cupboard fronts from city hardware that look quite reasonable.

Colin

Save your money.....Marine Ply is nothing more than exterior ply with both faces of grade A, plus certification that sheet has a minimum number of voids in the interior plys.

This certification buys you peace of mind in a boat built of marine ply do you need that in kitchen cupboards?

Furthermore the certification does not guarantee that there are no voids, just that if you find voids then that sheet will be replaced.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on March 24, 2011, 06:53:07 PM


Epoxy paint is fairly cheap in the Philippines, so I may have a go at cabinet making and spraying the woodwork with that, see how it holds up to wear and tear. It gives a real hard glossy finished when sprayed right.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 24, 2011, 08:03:47 PM
Never ever spray epoxy = (http://fc08.deviantart.net/images/i/2002/30/0/e/Death_Emoticon.gif)

hmmmm times change
http://ezinearticles.com/?What-You-Should-Know-About-Epoxy-Spray-Paint&id=4304363 (http://ezinearticles.com/?What-You-Should-Know-About-Epoxy-Spray-Paint&id=4304363)


Alkyd–Based Paint is what you need, dries fast, to hard finish
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: coutts00 on March 25, 2011, 05:46:18 AM
We painted the front of what was a Sari store, but will now turn into an extra bedroom or sun room with an Acrylic paint normally used to paint cars. High gloss finish, durable and great looks.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: richardsinger on March 25, 2011, 06:34:36 AM
My rental house has several of these \"hand crafted\" cabinets in the kitchen and bedroom. The paint finish looks reasonable but some of the cabinets have tiny termites inside, so their powdered droppings need to be swept up every day. And some of the boards now sound distinctly hollow when you tap on them. The only sign of the termites is their tiny access holes where the droppings come out.

When I discussed with my landlady about what could be done, she suggested ripping out the existing units and rebuilding from scratch using better quality plywood. Some contractors suggested Santa Clara marine plywood, which has a nice smooth finish, together with a chemical treatment to discourage the termites. The price for these cabinets turned out to be pretty high, and since the landlady wanted me to fund it up front and then deduct from the rent, I decided just to find another place to rent. Will be moving next week.

Richard
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on March 25, 2011, 07:33:32 AM
Never ever spray epoxy = ([url]http://fc08.deviantart.net/images/i/2002/30/0/e/Death_Emoticon.gif[/url])

hmmmm times change
[url]http://ezinearticles.com/?What-You-Should-Know-About-Epoxy-Spray-Paint&id=4304363[/url] ([url]http://ezinearticles.com/?What-You-Should-Know-About-Epoxy-Spray-Paint&id=4304363[/url])


Alkyd–Based Paint is what you need, dries fast, to hard finish


\"What You Should Know About Epoxy Spray Paint\"

 ??? ???

Epoxy comes in two parts, not in rattle cans, and it is perfectly safe to spray, as long as you have the correct equipment.


I have an organic filter mask especially made for spraying real epoxy two part paint, and it is pretty much standard practise in the after market car restoration world.

If you use the correct kit you can get a rock hard mirror finish, without dying....
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on March 25, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
My rental house has several of these \"hand crafted\" cabinets in the kitchen and bedroom. The paint finish looks reasonable but some of the cabinets have tiny termites inside, so their powdered droppings need to be swept up every day. And some of the boards now sound distinctly hollow when you tap on them. The only sign of the termites is their tiny access holes where the droppings come out.

When I discussed with my landlady about what could be done, she suggested ripping out the existing units and rebuilding from scratch using better quality plywood. Some contractors suggested Santa Clara marine plywood, which has a nice smooth finish, together with a chemical treatment to discourage the termites. The price for these cabinets turned out to be pretty high, and since the landlady wanted me to fund it up front and then deduct from the rent, I decided just to find another place to rent. Will be moving next week.

Richard
Actually she would have had you put them in, deduct it next month, then the 2nd month raise your rent due to the improvement. God Bless....
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: richardsinger on March 25, 2011, 10:14:52 AM
Actually she would have had you put them in, deduct it next month, then the 2nd month raise your rent due to the improvement. God Bless....

Ha ha I know what you mean. But actually we are on quite good terms, I think she would have waited until my initial rental agreement period was over before raising the rent! :)

Richard
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on March 25, 2011, 11:32:56 AM
When thinking of plywood some years ago, I thought marine plywood would be the best choice. I bought many sheets of the Atlas brand, sticker on each sheet. When I applied a liquid to seal, the veneer blustered. Since I bought them, I OWN THEM!! Which isn\'t so uncommon with a lot of suppliers. 

Needless to say, that supplier lost over P1m in business over the years of building and remodeling!!

Regular plywood sitting around will come apart exposed to even humidity with time. Ply-board which is solid wood pieces between veneer and when cut, hollow places can be found. That\'s when I mix sawdust with glue to fill the voids and some times a lot of poking is done to fill. GRRRRRR

Just things we have found using local building materials over the years.
B-Ray   



I wonder how well local \'exterior grade\' plywood would hold up for kitchen cabinet carcasses, if it were also treated with decent varnish/paint/preserver?

I see a lot of local cabinetry built out of the cheap \'ply-board\', with is basically timber offcuts glued together with a sheet of veneer glued to each side.  As soon as it gets a sniff of damp it de-laminates.

I\'ve though of importing mass produced doors and drawer fronts from the UK, but they may well be cheaper locally, and with the same quality, if produced properly.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: OldManBill on October 29, 2011, 02:47:53 AM
How about something like cedar, black walnut, cypress, or even ($$$$) ironwood. Very expensive, yes, but lasts a very long time even in humid conditions.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: trevor on November 02, 2011, 10:22:45 AM
We are also in the process of getting kitchen cabinets built by local cabinet maker. The wood must be completely dried and treated with Solignum  (termite treatment). In our other house which we live in now. I notice termites under the kitchen sink eating the plywood frame. Not much you can do once termite is in. Apperently the wood was not treated.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: Gray Wolf on December 03, 2011, 09:09:55 AM
It\'s more the critters than the humidity, although the humidity is humbling.  Virtually any wood, even hardwoods, are susceptible to termites.  They may have to work on it longer but they got nothing to do but eat.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: graham on December 04, 2011, 10:24:04 AM
Trevor,

Usually the treatment used here for preserving timber against termites is liquid \"Solignum\"
which is applied by brush or gun. I treated all the doors and frames with it before installing.
Every surface must be done

Then I read, either on here or another site, that Solignum has a life of only 5 years
and has to be re-treated. What a bummer  :o :o

Graham
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: Metz on December 04, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
a nice appearance can be done by using exterior plywood, staining it and then using polyurethane from ace hardware... 

Do the usual wood finish tasks, paint, sand, paint sand and if you want more gloss paint and sand again. 

We are doing cabinets from steel angle iron bolted together not welded, then the plywood was cut to fit, holes pre drilled, used hardwood trim from wilcon, stained, polyurethane, sanded, and then reassembled by gorilla gluing the wood to the metal frame that was painted with 2 part epoxy. 

Gorilla glue works easier then liquid nails.  It wont cure till it has moisture so you need to wipe down surfaces with a damp sponge or rag before applying the glue. 
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: OldManBill on February 21, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Cedars, Junipers, black walnut, and black locust are all termite and moisture resistant. Ive seen locust and cedars posts driven directly into the ground that have lasted for many years and the southern US has alot of termites and humidity. Ironwood is extremely toxic to termites and very rot resistant.
Title: Re: Modern Style Kitchens
Post by: on February 22, 2012, 01:19:24 AM
Cedars, Junipers, black walnut, and black locust are all termite and moisture resistant. Ive seen locust and cedars posts driven directly into the ground that have lasted for many years and the southern US has alot of termites and humidity. Ironwood is extremely toxic to termites and very rot resistant.
We just finished our cabinet-counter base out of concrete. We will finish the top with solid surface (maybe granite) and the fronts will be wooden doors. We choose the concrete shell because of durability and insect resistance. One must remember that you can build in any style and with a wide variety of inexpensive AND expensive materials just like one would in the U.S. for example (southern humid states), but in order to help \"preserve\" that construction, humidity must be controlled. AC and a decent system of de-humidification can keep the climate controlled inside your casa, but you will pay for it in terms of utilities. The more hard surface you can use in your construction, the better you will be in the long run. Also remember, you can control the climate inside only as long as you have electricity!