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Title: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 25, 2011, 04:54:29 AM
after a 30 day delay due to the one bridge closed to flooding the workers will be arriving in 2 hrs.....or so the story goes.  we are adding to the existing house...second floor with 2 bedrooms, living rm and bath...and a blue tile roof to all areas.... all the materials are on site at my mother/father inlaws place and there are suppose to be 11 people arriving at 7 am to get the show on the road.

we have hired an engineer (350 pesos a day) 5 carpenters (350 pesos a day each) and 5 labourers (180 pesos a day each) for a total of 3000 pesos a day.
contracted \"days labour\" has work starting at 7 am....break at 10:00-10:15..resume work til 11: 30...lunch til 1:00 then work til 5 pm.

father in law says this is the better way to go as he has contracted in the past many times with an agreed upon price ahead of time and he **always** came out on the short end of the stick....either with the daily wage at the end of the job being twice what the hourly rate would normally be and guys  (as in the whole crew) simply not showing up for periods at a time after a progressive payment would be made..

hope it all works out...i will keep you alll updated as i write this from vancouver, bc , canada but get daily updates from my wife who\'s on the phone daily seeing whats up..

(good luck nanay and tatay!!)

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on January 25, 2011, 07:56:43 AM
Good luck. That\'s all the advice I can really offer.  ;D
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 25, 2011, 08:14:47 AM
Good luck. That\'s all the advice I can really offer.  ;D


thanks king, appreciate it..

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 29, 2011, 02:37:07 AM
after a 30 day delay due to the one bridge closed to flooding the workers will be arriving in 2 hrs.....or so the story goes.  we are adding to the existing house...second floor with 2 bedrooms, living rm and bath...and a blue tile roof to all areas.... all the materials are on site at my mother/father inlaws place and there are suppose to be 11 people arriving at 7 am to get the show on the road.

we have hired an engineer (350 pesos a day) 5 carpenters (350 pesos a day each) and 5 labourers (180 pesos a day each) for a total of 3000 pesos a day.
contracted \"days labour\" has work starting at 7 am....break at 10:00-10:15..resume work til 11: 30...lunch til 1:00 then work til 5 pm.

father in law says this is the better way to go as he has contracted in the past many times with an agreed upon price ahead of time and he **always** came out on the short end of the stick....either with the daily wage at the end of the job being twice what the hourly rate would normally be and guys  (as in the whole crew) simply not showing up for periods at a time after a progressive payment would be made..

hope it all works out...i will keep you alll updated as i write this from vancouver, bc , canada but get daily updates from my wife who\'s on the phone daily seeing whats up..

(good luck nanay and tatay!!)

ra


update:

all the workers showed up...at 5:30 am for the last few days.    my mother in law is loving it because all 10-11 of the workers are buying cigarettes, fish, snacks and alcohol from her store....
im happy for nanay!

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on January 29, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
....my mother in law is loving it because all 10-11 of the workers are buying cigarettes, fish, snacks and alcohol from her store....
im happy for nanay!

ra

I\'m sure when we start building my mum in law will open a temporary snack store just for the workers.  There is no Sari Sari store for several hundred yards, so she may see a niche in the market and open a permanent place, in the usual Filipino fashion.

When we lived in Cavite every third house had one, and all wondered why they made no money......
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 29, 2011, 01:42:22 PM
\"When we lived in Cavite every third house had one, and all wondered why they made no money......\"

hi king

yes, there do seem to be more \'variety stores\' in the philippines per square mile than probably any place on earth....not that ive been everywhere...just a hunch though
i guess the one thing nanay has going for her and her store is the fact that she is right across the road from an elementary school... and of late, all the tradesmen..
one thing that some of the stores offer (very few though) is to have that big machine to do whatever it is that it does to the rice to get ready to eat...breaks the shell off or something...
when my wife and i move there (god willing) in a decade, i suspect that my wife will have everything to do with what goes on at the store while im trying to produce the baddest cock fighters in the history of the republic...

you talk about making it..lol

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on January 29, 2011, 04:56:55 PM
Having a contract for workers by the hour...................I hope you know something about building and know how to work, workers!!

Otherwise, with at many Pinoys on location, you\'ll have some just waiting for a paycheck dong not much of anything...........THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON!!! Been there, done that REGARDLESS which Pinoy you have in charge!!

With a contract involving what the cost will be, in a given time frame..........................you KNOW what the outcome will be ~~IF~~ on location every day ALL day!!!

If, your depending on a, \"Pinoy foreman\", you\'ll get WHATEVER regardless what is said...........that you can count on also!! Unless you can except whatever as good enough?

Maybe I don\'t know much about building here in the Philippines? Only built two new and remodeled 4.  But, I\'ve ran off, forgot how many Pinoys, because they couldn\'t do what they said they could!  Now, down to two Pinoys only with what took 8 months with many Pinoys, these two can do in 3 months.

OIC, YOUR NOT EVEN HERE in the Philippines. Best of luck, I\'m hopeful  for the best and all I can do, on your building project Ricky using Pinays as overseeers.

I\'ve just not heard much good news building from afar in the Philippines for over a decade!
B-Ray

after a 30 day delay due to the one bridge closed to flooding the workers will be arriving in 2 hrs.....or so the story goes.  we are adding to the existing house...second floor with 2 bedrooms, living rm and bath...and a blue tile roof to all areas.... all the materials are on site at my mother/father inlaws place and there are suppose to be 11 people arriving at 7 am to get the show on the road.

we have hired an engineer (350 pesos a day) 5 carpenters (350 pesos a day each) and 5 labourers (180 pesos a day each) for a total of 3000 pesos a day.
contracted \"days labour\" has work starting at 7 am....break at 10:00-10:15..resume work til 11: 30...lunch til 1:00 then work til 5 pm.

father in law says this is the better way to go as he has contracted in the past many times with an agreed upon price ahead of time and he **always** came out on the short end of the stick....either with the daily wage at the end of the job being twice what the hourly rate would normally be and guys  (as in the whole crew) simply not showing up for periods at a time after a progressive payment would be made..

hope it all works out...i will keep you alll updated as i write this from vancouver, bc , canada but get daily updates from my wife who\'s on the phone daily seeing whats up..

(good luck nanay and tatay!!)

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 29, 2011, 05:13:06 PM
\"I\'ve just not heard much good news building from afar in the Philippines for over a decade! \"

hi ray

exceptional effort in the republic!   

to be fair, i myself am not doing any \"building from afar\"....im just paying for it and listening to the tales as they come in.

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on January 29, 2011, 06:32:20 PM

to be fair, i myself am not doing any \"building from afar\"....im just paying for it and listening to the tales as they come in.

ra
That is probably the easiest and least stressful way to do the job. Leave a trusted Pinoy in charge, (the wife) or in charge of whoever is in charge, and just hope all goes as well as possible.

I\'m sure I would go insane trying to keep an eye on everything that is going on, and I am what Filipinos call \'a perfectionist\' in the Philippines.

In reality I just like things done properly, normally, to western standards, and not perfect.  ;D

When I say I want a 2\" hole drilled there, it better be just there, and not a \"but I thought\" number of inches away.
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: samatm on January 30, 2011, 12:43:05 AM
lol,  we paid from afar and it was pretty much a disaster.    Mama liked to keep the boys happy and supplies somehow just disappeared... Workmanship was crude and corners were cut everywhere.   We were pretty much shocked to see the \"finished\" house up close the first time.     Good luck!   
I suggest you have receipts kept for goods n services and don\'t let mama sell the hooch on-site.
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 30, 2011, 03:31:01 AM
\"Leave a trusted Pinoy in charge, (the wife) or in charge of whoever is in charge, and just hope all goes as well as possible.\"

my filipina wife in vancouver (where we both live) got her sister in bohol to get an architect to do up the plans which were ok\'d by my wife here in vancouver..  materials were purchased by my sister in law in the republic and delivered by my brother in law who is also over seeing the building as well as being a labourer for this addition... his parents place (mine and my wifes retirement home). my mother and father inlaw both over see the building and defer to the architect who is good friends with my father inlaw..

the *only* thing i have insisted on is that the roof tiles be blue, which they are.  since the $$ has already been sent there to cover all costs, (including furnishings...for a total of $35,000 for the addition and furniture) i can truly say that my work is done.   

my stress level to date is at 0%, which is where it shall remain.

unless...  ;

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on January 31, 2011, 02:42:46 PM
THAT\'S the problem I\'m talking about!!

Hopefully, you\'ll get what you think your paying for.

Few houses are built to ANY building codes, at least what I\'ve seen in this Country!!! Inspection, if any, are after the fact with a walk through and setting a property tax.

I\'m not here to bust your bubble, just things to be aware of from experience with boots on the ground.
B-Ray

\"I\'ve just not heard much good news building from afar in the Philippines for over a decade! \"

hi ray

exceptional effort in the republic!   

to be fair, i myself am not doing any \"building from afar\"....im just paying for it and listening to the tales as they come in.

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on January 31, 2011, 11:57:14 PM
\"Hopefully, you\'ll get what you think your paying for.  Few houses are built to ANY building codes\'

ray

let me give you a bit more context.  when i move to the republic i fully plan on living in a tent.  if by chance there happens to be something that i had built that resembles a \"house\" then im way ahead of the game.

you pressuppose that im measuring results by western standards whereas in fact im measuring them against pre historic standards.

maybe if i was sinking a few hundred grand into the venture i might be concerned but im not....im merely spending $35,000....so my expectations are very low.

i doubt with that approach i will be disappointed, unless a typhoon blows away my tent.......and even if that were to happen i would still find a way to be intent (ahem)

love this room...be here all week

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: RUFUS on February 01, 2011, 01:34:28 AM

.im merely spending $35,000....so my expectations are very low.
ra
If I were spending a mere $35k on a house, my expectations would be pretty high!
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: jonnyivy on February 01, 2011, 01:38:41 AM
You should get a 2 story \'tent\' for 35K  !!
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 01, 2011, 09:01:58 AM
You should get a 2 story \'tent\' for 35K  !!

With a penthouse suite  ;D

Colin
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 01, 2011, 02:03:11 PM

.im merely spending $35,000....so my expectations are very low.
ra
If I were spending a mere $35k on a house, my expectations would be pretty high!

You can buy a 2 storey town house and lot for that price, as shown in most every shopping mall. You\'ll be rubbing shoulders with predominantly Filipino families, plenty of barking dogs etc, but the houses look pretty tidy.

I\'m looking right at the ad on the back of January \'Blue book\' In Angeles, M.O.S. Realty is the company, Leoncia Ville is the development, and there are plenty more just like it all over the area.

$35,000 is still a healthy chunk of change in the Philippines.
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 01, 2011, 04:46:01 PM
From the responses so far Ricky, you must now be getting the picture of what to expect for that kind of money for a house in the Philippines, UNLESS your building down town Manila.  ::)

My buddy and I still figure today, we can build a hollow block 65s/m 2-BR 1-CR house for under P600,000 including paint/tile and done right, turn key.
B-Ray


\"Hopefully, you\'ll get what you think your paying for.  Few houses are built to ANY building codes\'

ray

let me give you a bit more context.  when i move to the republic i fully plan on living in a tent.  if by chance there happens to be something that i had built that resembles a \"house\" then im way ahead of the game.

you pressuppose that im measuring results by western standards whereas in fact im measuring them against pre historic standards.

maybe if i was sinking a few hundred grand into the venture i might be concerned but im not....im merely spending $35,000....so my expectations are very low.

i doubt with that approach i will be disappointed, unless a typhoon blows away my tent.......and even if that were to happen i would still find a way to be intent (ahem)

love this room...be here all week

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 01, 2011, 06:42:58 PM

.im merely spending $35,000....so my expectations are very low.
ra
If I were spending a mere $35k on a house, my expectations would be pretty high!

rufus

not a \"house\"....an addition onto a house.   If the addition is anything like the present house...then no problemo...as the existing house is \'almost\' to western standards....lizards being able to crawl along the ceiling and the magical appearance of ants if one is not spotless is the only thing i take issue with.....that and no internet....and hot water...less its boiled....hehe...i think thats it..

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 01, 2011, 06:45:43 PM
You should get a 2 story \'tent\' for 35K  !!

hi jonn

yes indeed....the \'tent\' is two story....least thats what the drawings show.....apparently that could mean bo diddly though...

dont care though....long as i get my blue tiile roof.

ra

Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 01, 2011, 07:11:18 PM
\"From the responses so far Ricky, you must now be getting the picture of what to expect for that kind of money for a house in the Philippines\"

i think so ray...i suspect that i will get something that resembles the drawings i got....

as for the details....im deferring on this one so there is a huge element of trust..

and that i find very liberating

to be honest, i think im building this humble abobe by a default price..... what i really want comes in around  6 million pesos...

ive done ok so far reconciling the contradiction.

ra




Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 26, 2011, 09:35:30 AM
\"From the responses so far Ricky, you must now be getting the picture of what to expect for that kind of money for a house in the Philippines\"

25 guys on site yesterday to ensure the concrete gets done in a day...
from what i have been told, paying per hour is working out much better than a contract price ever could have....inasmuch as anyone who is on site is working like a dog for fear of losing their spot to someone on the waiting list.

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: rdjlazo@yahoo.com on February 26, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Contract labor is when you have a contractor or contractor like
lead person contracting the labor of any segment of your
construction. In what you are doing you are acting as
your own contractor it seems. Your presence and direct or hands on
participation will make a lot of difference. But then how much time
is available to you
to spend there at the site?
Good luck to you.
Rudy
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 26, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
Contract labor is when you have a contractor or contractor like
lead person contracting the labor of any segment of your
construction. In what you are doing you are acting as
your own contractor it seems. Your presence and direct or hands on
participation will make a lot of difference. But then how much time
is available to you
to spend there at the site?
Good luck to you.
Rudy

A contractor is simply someone who agrees to fulfill a contract whether written or verbal. How can you become your own contractor? Do you have to write a contract and sign it for both sides, or can you just talk to yourself and reach an agreement  ;) ;D

Colin
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 27, 2011, 01:35:56 AM
Contract labor is when you have a contractor or contractor like
lead person contracting the labor of any segment of your
construction. In what you are doing you are acting as
your own contractor it seems. Your presence and direct or hands on
participation will make a lot of difference. But then how much time
is available to you
to spend there at the site?
Good luck to you.
Rudy

rudy

you can be forgiven for not haviing read this thread ;> for if you had you would have read where im not even there.  im writing this entire thread from vancouver, bc....and just paying for the addition in the republic....so to answer your question as to how much time i have to spend on the site...... that would be zero seconds...   and IF i were there during the construction and living in the house to which the addition is being added to...i can assure you that although i would be \'on site\' per se every day....i would in fact be out of sight...

too much tennis, basketball and canoeing on the agenda.   or as the locals in the republic say:   \"surry surry lang\"  (going here, going there, going everywhere....or something to that affect)

thanks for the well wishes.

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 27, 2011, 01:45:49 AM
\"A contractor is simply someone who agrees to fulfill a contract whether written or verbal. How can you become your own contractor? Do you have to write a contract and sign it for both sides, or can you just talk to yourself and reach an agreement \" ;) ;D

Colin

hi colin

for a valid contract you have to have an offer, an acceptance, a meeting of the minds and an intention to create a legal relation.  i look forward to the day, that as an academic exercise, i get to sue myself for breach of contract and as littigants in my own court case act as both plaintiff AND defendant in a dispute settled in a vancouver municipal court.   you talk about making it

\\o/

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: rdjlazo@yahoo.com on February 27, 2011, 02:55:46 AM
Folks,
If I contract the work to be done on my project I am my own contractor.
If I get into a contract with somebody I am a party to a contract
and I can call my sell my own contractor.
Instead of a supposed to be contractor doing the labor hiring and subcontracting the
other part of the project I do most of it as my own contractor.
In the U S this is commonly used terminalogy because of very big cost difference
when you hire a supposed to be licensed contracor.
Sorry for not reading all the threads and sorry for the not very
informed and sofisticated use of the english language.

I have a project now that I hired the architect, engineers and everybody else on my term
as my own contractor. I call the shots and I can canvass any suppy, material
doors, windows, cement, electric, plumbing as much as i want to and it\'s my contract
to anybody who want to be in this project. That is self contracting as being
my own contractor. I have the choice to contract all of it or part of it.
Just my thoughts and I don\'t mean to offend
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 27, 2011, 03:24:29 AM
Folks,
If I contract the work to be done on my project I am my own contractor.
If I get into a contract with somebody I am a party to a contract
and I can call my sell my own contractor.
Instead of a supposed to be contractor doing the labor hiring and subcontracting the
other part of the project I do most of it as my own contractor.
In the U S this is commonly used terminalogy because of very big cost difference
when you hire a supposed to be licensed contracor.
Sorry for not reading all the threads and sorry for the not very
informed and sofisticated use of the english language.

I have a project now that I hired the architect, engineers and everybody else on my term
as my own contractor. I call the shots and I can canvass any suppy, material
doors, windows, cement, electric, plumbing as much as i want to and it\'s my contract
to anybody who want to be in this project. That is self contracting as being
my own contractor. I have the choice to contract all of it or part of it.
Just my thoughts and I don\'t mean to offend

hey rd

fair enough.  what are you building and where are you bulding it?

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: rdjlazo@yahoo.com on February 27, 2011, 09:48:23 PM
Ricky,
I am in Puerto Pincesa
Palawan

Lots of opportunity here to build
houses and then sell.

I\'ve done this before in California and
a better term to self cotnracting
is OWNER/BUILDER and as I said
you do your contracting to others
you want to hire.
Best regards to all,
Rudy
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 27, 2011, 10:25:46 PM
Ricky,
I am in Puerto Pincesa
Palawan

Lots of opportunity here to build
houses and then sell.

I\'ve done this before in California and
a better term to self cotnracting
is OWNER/BUILDER and as I said
you do your contracting to others
you want to hire.
Best regards to all,
Rudy

I am not sure that I agree with that. It is not common in the Philippines for people to buy ready built houses, most people would prefer to just buy land where they want to live then design a house that incorporates their own ideas, not those of someone else. There are always plenty of lots available to buy, particularly here in Palawan, this means that you can haggle over the price. When we were looking, almost everybody seemed to either have a lot for sale or knew someone that had. The buying and selling of houses is quite different, you can\'t bring western ideas here and expect them to work the same.

There does seem to be a thriving business of building small apartment blocks to let.

Colin
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 27, 2011, 11:06:12 PM
If all goes to plan then building to your own spec would be cheaper and more satisfying, but I\'ve seen/heard so many disaster stories about this sort of thing I really can see the benefits of buying somewhere ready built.

If you find a place you really like, and it looks good and solid, built up to a standard, not down to a price, then it must be a lot less stress than orchestrating a build of your own.

on the other hand.....

Our perimeter wall build starts today, and hopefully the slab for the house will be started/laid by the time I get home again in April.

 My fingers are so far crossed that I\'m in agony.  ;D

Our proposed plan, arrived after several dozen complete Sketchup models....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/New%20House%20in%20the%20Philippines/2daa98f4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/New%20House%20in%20the%20Philippines/b325bd13.jpg)

Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 28, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
If all goes to plan then building to your own spec would be cheaper and more satisfying, but I\'ve seen/heard so many disaster stories about this sort of thing I really can see the benefits of buying somewhere ready built.

If you find a place you really like, and it looks good and solid, built up to a standard, not down to a price, then it must be a lot less stress than orchestrating a build of your own.

I agree 100%. We have had a lot of problems and lost a lot of money, but I would not buy a ready built house. Yes, it can be very stressful but very rewarding when you see your ideas start to take shape. The better ready-builts tend to be in the gated communities around the few large cities and you are living amongst very similar houses on very small lots. Fine, if that is what you want, but it would not suit me, typical suburbia found in most cities around the world.

Colin
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on February 28, 2011, 11:40:56 AM


hey nice job there king....dig the yellow too..

you might want to shift the garage over a bit though to get both vehicles in  ;>

ra


Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 28, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
QUOTE: \"I really can see the benefits of buying somewhere ready built.\"

The ~~MAJOR~~ problem with that King is................not knowing HOW it was built and with ~~WHAT~~ that YOUR paying for!!!

Case in point, building columns , center bars are seen before the concrete frames are build around. Then just before the concrete pour, the center bars are removed and STUBS are placed at the top, giving the impression that EVERYTHING is cool as should be!!!

If even that, among other factors is how to get screwed is figured as uncommon............. GET YOUR %$^#& HEAD OUT OF THE #&$^* SAND!!!!

Experience, self and others has some VALUE in building using Pinoy Contractors!

It\'s ~~YOUR~~ money............. no skin off my.......you know what........................ what you do!!!!

I have said.............I will NEVER use a Pinoy Contractor again...............PERIOD!!!

But, with buying 5 more lot in this subdivision that we have developed our business\'s in............well, I\'ll be on location DAILY all day, if we do use a contractor! again!!

That depends ~~IF~~ a contractor can cost LESS then what I have found with  Pinoy  workers I have found over the years.

IMO, developing 5 lots as rental units is BIG MONEY regardless of size...............wanted conditions will be there!!
B-Ray
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: graham on February 28, 2011, 03:50:19 PM
KH,

I\'m proud of you son, you got that damned workshop configured in after all!! LOL

Graham
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: graham on February 28, 2011, 03:52:50 PM
Ricky,

Love your \"laid back\" attitude to your project. Good onya\'
It\'s obvious your having fun. Hang in there.

Graham
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on February 28, 2011, 04:07:41 PM

Like the additional of the roof terrace

Personally I\'d integrate the workshop (and house) as part of the boundary wall....it\'s such a small lot, that the space between the wall and building seems wasted.....
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 28, 2011, 11:20:29 PM

KH,

I\'m proud of you son, you got that damned workshop configured in after all!! LOL

Graham

Hell yeah. There\'d be no point us building a house at all if I couldn\'t have a workshop of at least a reasonable proportions.

Sitting watching tv, walking the dog, and doing crossword puzzles to pass away the long days, would soon drive me back to drink.  ;D
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on February 28, 2011, 11:28:21 PM
QUOTE: \"I really can see the benefits of buying somewhere ready built.\"

The ~~MAJOR~~ problem with that King is................not knowing HOW it was built and with ~~WHAT~~ that YOUR paying for!!!

Case in point, building columns , center bars are seen before the concrete frames are build around. Then just before the concrete pour, the center bars are removed and STUBS are placed at the top, giving the impression that EVERYTHING is cool as should be!!!

If even that, among other factors is how to get screwed is figured as uncommon............. GET YOUR %$^#& HEAD OUT OF THE #&$^* SAND!!!!

Experience, self and others has some VALUE in building using Pinoy Contractors!

But if it is a few years old and still looks solid and tidy, then you have a clue. If it was built last week, and has not been through even a single monsoon season, I\'d have serious doubts.

So, you build it yourself, and you to stand there all day, every day, just to make sure you\'re not being stiffed with the re-bar?   ;)

At some stage you have to trust somebody, or you do indeed need to be there 24/7, and if you plan to do that you also need to know exactly what is going on, construction rules, sizes required, concrete mix ratios, engineering regulations and design principles. Because if you don\'t have a firm grasp of all those principles, you may as well not bother watching anyway. You have to trust somebody to do it for you.

Trust. That is what the whole thing revolves around.
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on March 01, 2011, 07:23:41 AM
QUOTE: \"I really can see the benefits of buying somewhere ready built.\"

The ~~MAJOR~~ problem with that King is................not knowing HOW it was built and with ~~WHAT~~ that YOUR paying for!!!

Case in point, building columns , center bars are seen before the concrete frames are build around. Then just before the concrete pour, the center bars are removed and STUBS are placed at the top, giving the impression that EVERYTHING is cool as should be!!!

If even that, among other factors is how to get screwed is figured as uncommon............. GET YOUR %$^#& HEAD OUT OF THE #&$^* SAND!!!!

Experience, self and others has some VALUE in building using Pinoy Contractors!

But if it is a few years old and still looks solid and tidy, then you have a clue. If it was built last week, and has not been through even a single monsoon season, I\'d have serious doubts.

So, you build it yourself, and you to stand there all day, every day, just to make sure you\'re not being stiffed with the re-bar?   ;)

At some stage you have to trust somebody, or you do indeed need to be there 24/7, and if you plan to do that you also need to know exactly what is going on, construction rules, sizes required, concrete mix ratios, engineering regulations and design principles. Because if you don\'t have a firm grasp of all those principles, you may as well not bother watching anyway. You have to trust somebody to do it for you.

Trust. That is what the whole thing revolves around.

I agree, at some point you do have to trust people, but unfortunately it is very difficult to find builders that you can trust. We trusted the two previous contractors and a recommended adviser, they all screwed us. Not on deliberate changes to the construction, but on using cheap unskilled labour and charging us way over the top for materials. We do have a very good and highly recommended foreman now, and the only criticism I could make is that he is a perfectionist and it is costing us a lot more money to correct and improve the poor workmanship of the previous contractor. We buy all our own materials now and have got to know the best and cheapest places for them.

Colin
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on March 13, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
Ricky,

Love your \"laid back\" attitude to your project. Good onya\'
It\'s obvious your having fun. Hang in there.

Graham

hi Graham

thanks...i am indeed a fly on the wall on this one....\"laid back\" are two words that no one has ever used to describe my demeanor on anything...ever..
so this is a first and im liking it.   i suspect that if i knew the first thing about construction and was in the republic during construction i would go into my typical alpha male role and light a fire under everyones a$$ and just let the chips fall where they may....needless to say....the BEST thing that could ever have happed is for this CANO to be far away on another continent while the locals do their thing.  my father in law is a former barangay captain of 17 yrs and nobody\'s fool and at age 82 has allegedly never lost his temper...something i do on a daily basis... so i cant imagine a better person to over-see the show than he...    Also..i wouldnt want to be there during construction for another important reason.....wouldnt want to steal his and my mother in laws thunder.   it\'s been his domain for over 50 yrs now and this is his crowning glory.....this is all getting done without the locals suspecting that the Cano is paying for it and thats the way i want it.    one of my nieces has posted 100 or so shots of the work in progress on facebook so i get to enjoy it that way...and through the daily updates after my wife gets off the phone with her sister...who gives the money to her father who then pays the workers.  when i see all those workers and all that material i truly marvel at how far 30 grand can go..

thanks for the words of encouragement.....i can get use to being laid back...it seems to be good for my heart.

regards
ricky a

Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: coutts00 on March 13, 2011, 01:11:37 PM
Can we have the Facebook picture link so we can see what\'s happening there?
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on March 13, 2011, 01:49:40 PM
QUOTE: \"i truly marvel at how far 30 grand can go..\"

What currency are you taking about Ricky?

I take it with the word ~~grand~~ in your statement as $$$$

P1,3M ± can build a nice house in the Philippines as a do-it-yourself! No question about that!

But, pictures just allows you to see what they want you to see from abroad!!  Rebar shown may be nothing more then a short piece at the top. Concrete mix may not be Class A.  And the Pinoy way of workmenship list goes on and on!!!

An an aging Pinoy as an over seeing and not as an on-site contractor in the past, doesn\'t mean much...........period!!!  A \"barangay captain\" is nothing more then an elective Joe blow in the area! No CLOUT IMO!

I\'ve been around Pinoy workers for more then a day or two with 7 houses involved! ~~IF~~ \"I\" wasn\'t around daily, I would have ended up with Pinoy junk by my standards.....PERIOD!!!

BTW, over the last almost 7 years, I\'ve sent Pinoy workers down the road kicking rocks because they COULDN\'T do what they said they could!!

We have 5 properties with 7 houses. We just bought 8 more properties in this same subdivision.

Even today with building materials higher in our area then a lot of places, a P1.3M ± house for a do-it-yourself should be GRAND-DE-O-SO with at least 300X300 tiled floors and granite counter tops!, windows you can see out and not so easy to see in and not using the WEAK hollow block normally available at retail +++!!!

A contractor would charge 2 to 2.5 + more then a do-it-yourself can build a house. That can be counted on, rule of thumb, (as the saying goes)!

Best of luck guy.............time will tell the true story with what you expected, for the money spent.

Personally, I NEED to see where and how my limited money is spent!!!!!!

Ya\'ll have a grrrrreat day, ya hear!!!

I\'m off looking yet so more........................ for online house plans, with Chalet types in mind, since there not in this area. Kinda like a 24\'X40\" 2br with a 12/12 pitch roof giving maybe a loft for two more brs and a CR with a dommer? That could give a 4 br on a foot print of a 2br house and not building a 2 story house. Cost less???  ;D  
B-Ray
 
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 15, 2011, 01:22:05 AM
Can we have the Facebook picture link so we can see what\'s happening there?

Yes, please!  Or at least download some of the better pics and post them for us all to see.  It helps all of us who are thinking about or who are involved in building a house.

Thanks!    :)
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on March 25, 2011, 01:08:02 AM
Can we have the Facebook picture link so we can see what\'s happening there?

hi wayne

sure...will do...

rick a
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on March 25, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
QUOTE: \"i truly marvel at how far 30 grand can go..\"

\"What currency are you taking about Ricky? \"

Canadian.



\"But, pictures just allows you to see what they want you to see from abroad!!  Rebar shown may be nothing more then a short piece at the top. Concrete mix may not be Class A.  And the Pinoy way of workmenship list goes on and on!!!\"


The pictures taken thus far (which I will post) pretty much show whats going on....no one has an agenda.   As for the workmanship, I hope it is poor and the addition comes tumbling down then I can do the whole thing over again thereby ingratiating myself even more to the town of Pilar for keeping 10-25 pinoys employed in perpetuity.


\"An an aging Pinoy as an over seeing and not as an on-site contractor in the past, doesn\'t mean much...........period!!!  A \"barangay captain\" is nothing more then an elective Joe blow in the area! No CLOUT IMO! \"


An aging guy who\'s built his own house.   For what its worth....I think if my father in law had no clout in his barangay then the opposition leader in the last town election would not have sent 4 guys in a jeep with automatic weapons to kill him after the election was over and he had lost due to some alleged lack of support from my father in law.


\"BTW, over the last almost 7 years, I\'ve sent Pinoy workers down the road kicking rocks because they COULDN\'T do what they said they could!!\"


So you\'re unwittingly creating a training program for the Philippines National Soccer Team?


\"We have 5 properties with 7 houses. We just bought 8 more properties in this same subdivision.\"

Impressive indeed.  You managed to Trump yourself without even knowing it   ;D


\"with at least 300X300 tiled floors and granite counter tops\"


I *was* going to get those counter tops but decided I didnt want to be taken for granite.   (love this room)

 keep em on their toes b -ray..

regards
ricky a
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: richardsinger on March 25, 2011, 06:21:03 AM

So you\'re unwittingly creating a training program for the Philippines National Soccer Team?


Ha ha, brilliant Ricky!
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on March 25, 2011, 02:15:08 PM
Can we have the Facebook picture link so we can see what\'s happening there?





Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: coutts00 on March 25, 2011, 02:21:56 PM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: richardsinger on March 25, 2011, 05:22:28 PM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.

The owner of the pictures could also just make them accessible by \"everybody\" rather than \"friends only\". That would be easier for him compared to rehosting the pics.

Richard
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n on March 25, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.

The owner of the pictures could also just make them accessible by \"everybody\" rather than \"friends only\". That would be easier for him compared to rehosting the pics.

Richard

Brings to mind \"Do you have any naked pictures of your wife?\" joke


















\"Wanna buy some?\"
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on April 05, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.

link removed..not working

see if that works

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: on April 05, 2011, 12:41:16 PM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.


[url]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10986&id=100002182460768#[/url]!/album.php?fbid=174946955891233&id=100001277893867&aid=57864¬if_t=photo_album_reply

see if that works

ra


Hmm, it worked, but there\'s no house there, just some goon knocking a ball about.  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on April 05, 2011, 12:43:44 PM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.


[url]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=10986&id=100002182460768#[/url]!/album.php?fbid=174946955891233&id=100001277893867&aid=57864¬if_t=photo_album_reply

see if that works

ra


Hmm, it worked, but there\'s no house there, just some goon knocking a ball about.  ;)  ;D


haha..just my luck..  that no good link was up for under 30 seconds....lol

i have asked my niece to change her privacy setting in her account on facebook...as per the suggestion from someone here....
see if that helps..

ra
Title: Re: Building Starts Today
Post by: Ricky A on April 06, 2011, 01:40:59 AM
The only way to view the photos is if your friend or the person who owns the Facebook page, accepts people as friends. If however you post them to a photobucket page and post the links we can all see them.

Title: Update
Post by: Ricky A on June 09, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
home stretch now..i will post a before and after shot in about a week.  cost to date 1,800,000 php ($40,000)...saved that is just 3 yrs...pretty much a miracle for a house painter who has been paying $1500.00/month rent for the last 5 yrs here in canada...sat back and insisted on only one thing for addition in the republic...two tone blue everywhere...dark blue roof..light blue on body of house with same dark blue on trim....place is looking crisp, very crisp...when you see the place you want to have a beer...blues are funny that way.....no one fired...no one sent kicking rocks...no one had to go to confessional....still waiting on big sliding door...something about typhoons holding things up ..stress level to date throughout process....0%.

r