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Living in The Philippines => Immigration,Visas to stay in the Philippines => Topic started by: divs on March 08, 2014, 08:28:33 AM

Title: Overstayed
Post by: divs on March 08, 2014, 08:28:33 AM
I over stayed 4 years in the PR. I had the U S embassy help me get out and my over due fees waived by Philippine immigration, however, I was technically deported and blacklisted. My questions is: if I pay back what I owe + fines, the director of immigration is still not bound to let me back in the PR again?  Many people have been let back in with situations like mine. My 2nd question is: how likely is it or how common is it, that people in my position have been let back in after paying.

Thanks
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Lee2 on March 08, 2014, 10:48:51 AM
The best thing for you to do is email immigration themselves since with the Philippines it can be one thing one day and a different thing the next day or different for each person based on what records they have of what transpired in each situation, so IMHO it is always best to get it in writing from them and to also print there reply if they say you can enter the Philippines again so you have proof upon entry in case the BI officer at entry rejects you.

My guess is they will not allow you entry again since they will not trust you to renew the next time but it is best to get the answer from the horses mouth, so to speak.

http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/contact-us/main-office (http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/contact-us/main-office)

Email binoc_immigrations@hotmail.ph
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: BudM on March 08, 2014, 11:03:21 AM
Here is something for you divs, It might help when try to communicate with BI.  Would not hurt if you sound like you know something about the country. By the way, PR is not even close.

http://tinyurl.com/28wl5zf (http://tinyurl.com/28wl5zf)
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: suzukig1 on March 08, 2014, 06:15:21 PM
My understanding is that no one gets removed from the Phl immigration blacklist merely by paying fees and fines.  You need to petition the Phl Bureau of Immigration to have your named removed from the blacklist.  You will most likely need a lawyer.

Edit 1: Since you had the U.S. Embassy help you I'll assume that you are a U.S. citizen.  Supposedly there are lawyers in Guam that deal with Phl immigration issues.

Edit 2: The problem with being deported and blacklisted and then trying to get back in is that you have to get your name removed from the blacklist while you are outside of the Phl.  You cannot get back into the Phl to try and get your name removed from the blacklist.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: kwmag4 on March 08, 2014, 06:45:47 PM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: BingColin on March 08, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..

I don't believe that members should be encouraged to get false passports and avoid paying legal visa fees. There may be a lot of corruption here but this is not the way to deal with it. JMHO
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: BudM on March 08, 2014, 07:30:27 PM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..

I don't believe that members should be encouraged to get false passports and avoid paying legal visa fees. There may be a lot of corruption here but this is not the way to deal with it. JMHO

I second that.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: iamjames on March 08, 2014, 08:09:57 PM
Actually you are also barred from many other countries also as a question at all points of entry is 'have you ever been deported from a country'? Any incorrect answers or incorrect documentation will result in imprisonment, fine and deportation if caught. Just go to someplace like Nicaragua instead. Much easier visa conditions in Central America.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: paulgee on March 08, 2014, 09:22:52 PM
A good topic  to read for anyone thinking they might overstay whilst in the Philippines. It would appear that anyone in the same situation as the OP will be in for a world of administrative pain, with very little gain, if they try and make amends for their past.

Out of interest, if an expat currently in the Philippines had overstayed by a similar amount of time, and voluntarily stepped up and paid their back fees before leaving, would they be able to return or would they be on some blacklist?
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: suzukig1 on March 08, 2014, 10:31:16 PM

...Out of interest, if an expat currently in the Philippines had overstayed by a similar amount of time, and voluntarily stepped up and paid their back fees before leaving, would they be able to return or would they be on some blacklist?


With the new person in charge at immigration the rules are clearly different now regarding overstays.  As of December 2013:

http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/component/content/article/2-uncategorised/234-honorable-secretary (http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/component/content/article/2-uncategorised/234-honorable-secretary)
1/9/2014 immigration.gov.ph

Overstaying Foreigners
Foreigners who have overstayed for twelve (12) months or less but have been in the country beyond the maximum allowable period already may be permitted to update their stay with order to leave the country within fifteen (15) calendar days therefrom and their names may be included in the Bureau’s blacklist upon the discretion of the Commissioner; Provided that, the Commissioner, in the exercise of sound judgment, may allow such foreigners to update and extend their stay taking into consideration their Filipino lineage, medical condition, minority and other analogous circumstances.

Foreigners who have overstayed for more than twelve (12) months regardless if their stay is within the maximum allowable period or those found to be overstaying by virtue to a complaint or Mission Order regardless of the period shall be referred for deportation.

Payment
In addition to the extension/ updating fees and other charges, the concerned foreigners shall be required to pay all immigration arrears imposed by Republic Act No. 562, as amended.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 09, 2014, 01:41:11 AM

I don't believe that members should be encouraged to get false passports and avoid paying legal visa fees. There may be a lot of corruption here but this is not the way to deal with it. JMHO


I agree wholeheartedly!  kwmag4, this is not a recommended way to deal with an already sticky situation.  What you are suggesting to divs could not only get him into hot water with the Philippine Immigration people, but virtually every other country as well. 

Divs do not attempt to obtain a "new" passport using partial or fake names, no matter who you are.  It would be the biggest mistake of your life.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 09, 2014, 01:45:21 AM
I over stayed 4 years in the PR. I had the U S embassy help me get out and my over due fees waived by Philippine immigration, however, I was technically deported and blacklisted. My questions is: if I pay back what I owe + fines, the director of immigration is still not bound to let me back in the PR again?  Many people have been let back in with situations like mine. My 2nd question is: how likely is it or how common is it, that people in my position have been let back in after paying.

Thanks

"Technically deported and blacklisted"?  As if there is another deportation and blacklist?  Sorry, dude.  You're hosed.  No way would they, or should they, allow you back in.  IMHO you need to find something else to do or another place to spend your time.  I wouldn't waste a single minute trying to figure out how to get back in to the Philippines.  In their minds you have worn out your welcome. 
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 09, 2014, 02:20:10 AM
One of our forum members had his own problems with immigration just recently.  He shared his story with me in private and it shall remain private insofar as his identity is concerned.  But to help others put the whole immigration situation in better perspective I'll share the gist of his long story.

My friend came over to the Philippines to marry his GF and then planned to return to the US to begin paperwork on her visa.  While in the PH he renewed his tourist visa during his first month's stay.  It wasn't until he tried to renew it the second time that he ran into problems.  It seems he missed the date and was now technically an overstaying foreigner.  The issues began to build up when it was determined by immigration that he had a "slight problem" with his passport.  At this time I still don't know what that problem was, nor did immigration elaborate for my friend.  He was faced with fees he hadn't planned on paying.  But by the time he had made it to Manila and to the main immigration office in Intramuros things had taken a turn for the worst for him.  Now not only were they going to insist on the late fee they would also hit him with additional fees for the extension application fee, the extension fee, express lane fees, a fee for the ACR-I application, a fee for the ACR-I card and the ACR-I card express lane fee, a total of P12,400.  All of these had to be paid before they would return his passport.  They also required that he obtain an airline ticket to take him back to the US, which was difficult at best since you can't purchase a ticket using cash without your passport.  Somehow his GF managed to get his passport from immigration by asking a favor from an immigration worker who was from the same province as the GF.  This was done "under the table". 

He was subsequently released, deported and blacklisted, all because he overstayed a few days.   I feel sorry for my friend because he made an honest mistake.  But anyone who purposely overstays for years deserves no sympathy. 
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on March 09, 2014, 06:51:50 AM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..

I don't believe that members should be encouraged to get false passports and avoid paying legal visa fees. There may be a lot of corruption here but this is not the way to deal with it. JMHO

I second that.
3rd that. The country is corrupt enough. I won't add to it.  God Bless......
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: iamjames on March 09, 2014, 06:56:22 PM
In the case of your friend, Gray Wolf, the procedure followed by immigration seems to have been normal and correct. Firstly the penalty (500 per month) has to be paid. Secondly he needed to formalise his current position - in the Philippines at that point - by paying for a standard two month visa. Thirdly the CARD must also be paid for at this point. There is a logic there that is applied to Visas anywhere. Generally there is no problem where a visa application is delayed for a few days, weeks, or even months - unless for any reason you are arrested. Twelve months is usually the limit for this kind of abuse/error and it is very unwise to allow it to go that far.

I have a growing suspicion that the original query is not what it seems - more like a bit of fishing from some source. 
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: intocebu on March 10, 2014, 12:04:44 AM
I agree with James a Little fishy at best..I don't live in the Philippines yet but i would say make sure you got all your eggs in 1 Basket Especially in the Philippines cause things change in a Blink of an eye ....
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 10, 2014, 01:09:59 AM
In the case of your friend, Gray Wolf, the procedure followed by immigration seems to have been normal and correct. Firstly the penalty (500 per month) has to be paid. Secondly he needed to formalise his current position - in the Philippines at that point - by paying for a standard two month visa. Thirdly the CARD must also be paid for at this point. There is a logic there that is applied to Visas anywhere. Generally there is no problem where a visa application is delayed for a few days, weeks, or even months - unless for any reason you are arrested. Twelve months is usually the limit for this kind of abuse/error and it is very unwise to allow it to go that far.

I have a growing suspicion that the original query is not what it seems - more like a bit of fishing from some source.

I wasn't disagreeing concerning the fees, although the express fees, IMHO, were a bit out of line since he spent over 4 days in immigration.  The reason I shared the story is because my friend was only a few days overdue with his extension, but still got deported.  It shows that anyone can be deported, if immigration decides you should go.

I too have suspicions about the original story.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: divs on March 14, 2014, 03:53:45 AM
You say I deserve no sympathy? Well, many people run into problems with money like I did and I wanted my kids to eat first and that was my priority!!! I had money problems period. I also helped other people over the years in the Philippines who needed help. I am a very generous person by nature. I just got further and further behind. I am not the first. Are any of you aware, that over 250 American citizens are unable to pay their fees every year and are assisted to get back home by the U S embassy and are blacklisted just like me? This same situation happens in many other countries as well.We are not evil people, we just had money problems. The U S embassy has a section devoted just to people who have problems just like me and overstayed. So do not be so high and mighty just because you may have a steady check coming in from wherever!

How many of you are aware that the the U S Immigration Dept estimates there are approximately 400.000 to 1,000,000 Filipinos in the U S illegally who overstayed and the U S does very little about it! So when an American is in the predicament of an overstay situation, the Filipinos foam at the mouth to suck as much money from them as possible.  Lets also remember the fact that the Philippines is at U S mercy to protect them from the Chinese and after they threw the U S base in Subic out years ago. Different issue yes, but so what! So, I would think the Filipinos should be a little bit more humble, gracious and forgiving  not gouge us. I wonder what the Philippine government would do if the U S started deporting thousands of Filipinos? I will tell you what they would do: they would yell and scream and carry on how unfair and insensitive the U S was being, that's what!!!!!

I lived in the Philippines for over 12 years and was there legally the majority of the time. Some of you here will always defend the Filipino rather than your own countrymen whether or not it is right to do so.  Americans like I am, seem to be like this unlike the other expats from other countries and I have no idea why. I am not the only one who feels like this.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: iamjames on March 14, 2014, 05:22:07 AM

How many of you are aware that the the U S Immigration Dept estimates there are approximately 400.000 to 1,000,000 Filipinos in the U S illegally who overstayed and the U S does very little about it! So when an American is in the predicament of an overstay situation, the Filipinos foam at the mouth to suck as much money from them as possible.  Lets also remember the fact that the Philippines is at U S mercy to protect them from the Chinese and after they threw the U S base in Subic out years ago. Different issue yes, but so what! So, I would think the Filipinos should be a little bit more humble, gracious and forgiving  not gouge us. I wonder what the Philippine government would do if the U S started deporting thousands of Filipinos? I will tell you what they would do: they would yell and scream and carry on how unfair and insensitive the U S was being, that's what!!!!!



So the Philippines owes YOU a debt of gratitude divs? That is not really a good attitude or reason for wanting to move here. This is a young sovereign country which has enough problems trying to look after its own. I sympathize with your financial problems but we must all cut our cloth to measure. The number one requirement of every country in visa issuance is that the applicant does not become a financial burden on the country. 
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Lee2 on March 14, 2014, 06:19:00 AM
divs, the Philippines is the Philippines and none of us can control how they deal with anyone who is not Filipino. My earlier suggestion was for you to contact them directly, let me expand, you might wish to contact them explaining your situation (Nicely) and that you wish to repay the money you owe them now that you have apparently gotten back on your feet (so to speak). Then if they say you are still blacklisted, then repay them anyway and wait a few months or more and then ask them again if they could please remove the blacklisting as you love their country and their people etc and/or any other reason you might wish to get back there, such as a special lady you have kept in touch with etc and also explain how you now intend to support yourself, such as you now have SS or whatever else might be your situation.

http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/contact-us/main-office (http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/contact-us/main-office)

Email binoc_immigrations@hotmail.ph

Now as for your comments, please do not blame us for your poor planning. Any person who moves to a foreign country should have an exit plan with funding in place. It has nothing to do with us having pensions and more to do with planning. I happen to know of quite a few guys on SS or pensions who do not seem to have an exit plan, from what they have told me, so even with pensions one can get themselves into the same position you found yourself in, but again, that is poor planning on their part and on your part and there is no one to blame but yourselves, for not thinking ahead.

The US, and I am sure other countries, has a whole group of people on the dole who are there because of poor planning and refusal to try to bring themselves up out of living off the govt, so while I feel sorry for you and your situation, we did not put you in that situation, you did, not the Philippine govt or any of us who may have judged you. The Philippines does not owe any of us anything, we owe it to ourselves to make sure we have a backup plan, yet many do not and could fall upon hard times, just like you did due to ever increasing costs of living that some did not plan for.

Now I agree with you on the part of the many Filipinos who are TNT in the US but what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China. You seem to have a bad attitude where you feel the Philippines owes you something and while I feel the Philippines should be thankful for the money we foreigners spend in their country, many of the things they do, seem to lead me to believe that they do not give a hoot about most of us and would much rather have OFW's working abroad and not have any of us meddling in how we think they should run their country. I feel if it was up to the Philippines, then none of us would live in their country and the only foreigners they would welcome are those who visit and spend tons of money doing it.

I hope you do as I suggested above in my first post and repay the money because it is the correct thing to do and not just because you wish to get back into the Philippines, as a debt is a debt and only after the debt is paid may the Philippine govt then know that your motives were first to pay the debt YOU FEEL YOU OWE and second to get back into their country.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 14, 2014, 08:50:40 AM
Rantings of one's indignation is understood, but the Philippine government was only enforcing their own laws to combat over staying or illegally documented foreigners!
Sometimes, that's just the reality of it!   

In a twist of fate of a U.S. tourist where lack of funds wasn't the issue here, but still got deported and blacklisted!
Just a heads up for those of you who uses travel agents, allegedly certified or licensed, but not necessarily accredited through the Bureau of Immigrations, in the processing your visa extensions for you! "DON'T DO IT"!
There has been a case recently, not in the news, where BI officials discovered that the previous passport visa extension stamps were fakes of a tourist applying for his consecutive 2 month tourist visa extension, which was unknown by the passport holder! The holder of the passport was detained/incarcerated in the Bictuan Detention Center for a few months, then deported to the U.S. and blacklisted from returning to the Philippines!
Talk about indignation! It wasn't even his fault, but immigration still did a number on him!   
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: fred on March 14, 2014, 11:34:55 AM
You say I deserve no sympathy? Well, many people run into problems with money like I did and I wanted my kids to eat first and that was my priority!!! I had money problems period. I also helped other people over the years in the Philippines who needed help. I am a very generous person by nature. I just got further and further behind. I am not the first. Are any of you aware, that over 250 American citizens are unable to pay their fees every year and are assisted to get back home by the U S embassy and are blacklisted just like me? This same situation happens in many other countries as well.We are not evil people, we just had money problems. The U S embassy has a section devoted just to people who have problems just like me and overstayed. So do not be so high and mighty just because you may have a steady check coming in from wherever!

How many of you are aware that the the U S Immigration Dept estimates there are approximately 400.000 to 1,000,000 Filipinos in the U S illegally who overstayed and the U S does very little about it! So when an American is in the predicament of an overstay situation, the Filipinos foam at the mouth to suck as much money from them as possible.  Lets also remember the fact that the Philippines is at U S mercy to protect them from the Chinese and after they threw the U S base in Subic out years ago. Different issue yes, but so what! So, I would think the Filipinos should be a little bit more humble, gracious and forgiving  not gouge us. I wonder what the Philippine government would do if the U S started deporting thousands of Filipinos? I will tell you what they would do: they would yell and scream and carry on how unfair and insensitive the U S was being, that's what!!!!!

I lived in the Philippines for over 12 years and was there legally the majority of the time. Some of you here will always defend the Filipino rather than your own countrymen whether or not it is right to do so.  Americans like I am, seem to be like this unlike the other expats from other countries and I have no idea why. I am not the only one who feels like this.

Totally agree with you Divs!! 
I overstayed in my younger years here and not much I could do about it at the time.. It was fortunate for me that I was able to get to know a local  official that helped me pay my 2 year overdue fees(very low price) to his friends directly at MIA.. (Manila international airport)
Doing it this way helped me to avoid being black listed etc.
These days I am able to pay my visa fee`s well,well in advance,year in year out and I remain grateful to the guy that assisted me back then when I needed it.

Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: fred on March 14, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..

Good advice! I agree.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Gray Wolf on March 14, 2014, 11:58:04 PM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..

Good advice! I agree.

You agree on what part?  The illegal passport or taking the humble approach and paying the back fees and late charges?  ???
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: intocebu on March 15, 2014, 03:07:29 AM
Again get all your eggs in 1 Basket.. and you got to be sure living in the Rp Generous or not have money on hand to avoid problems that can arise..I wont move there untill i am sure me and the wife have the money to do it... Jmho...
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: fred on March 15, 2014, 08:34:40 AM
Hi. Have you any Spanish, Irish or wherever grandparents ? maybe you can get another passport using your middle name and Enter anew ?  As for getting away with Visa fees well done to you as long as you have not hurt anyone. Most of those fees go into dirty pockets anyways from some accounts.. I wish you well and best luck.. Try and get an answer from a very high immigration official in the Philippines and maybe you will with a humble approach not just have them take your owed to them moneys. Take care..

Good advice! I agree.

You agree on what part?  The illegal passport or taking the humble approach and paying the back fees and late charges?  ???

Taking the humble approach and OF COURSE paying back the money I owed and couldn't pay whilst in country due to circumstances beyond my control.. A way out,and a way back in.. 2 strikes = OUT!
Many of these guys are not undesirables or criminals .. Some guys that come here are just naive,unlucky or just plain stupid..
This small group deserve a second shot IMO.. Not  permanent deportation and name on a black list.

Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: fred on March 15, 2014, 11:29:41 AM
You say I deserve no sympathy? Well, many people run into problems with money like I did and I wanted my kids to eat first and that was my priority!!! I had money problems period. I also helped other people over the years in the Philippines who needed help. I am a very generous person by nature. I just got further and further behind. I am not the first. Are any of you aware, that over 250 American citizens are unable to pay their fees every year and are assisted to get back home by the U S embassy and are blacklisted just like me? This same situation happens in many other countries as well.We are not evil people, we just had money problems. The U S embassy has a section devoted just to people who have problems just like me and overstayed. So do not be so high and mighty just because you may have a steady check coming in from wherever!

How many of you are aware that the the U S Immigration Dept estimates there are approximately 400.000 to 1,000,000 Filipinos in the U S illegally who overstayed and the U S does very little about it! So when an American is in the predicament of an overstay situation, the Filipinos foam at the mouth to suck as much money from them as possible.  Lets also remember the fact that the Philippines is at U S mercy to protect them from the Chinese and after they threw the U S base in Subic out years ago. Different issue yes, but so what! So, I would think the Filipinos should be a little bit more humble, gracious and forgiving  not gouge us. I wonder what the Philippine government would do if the U S started deporting thousands of Filipinos? I will tell you what they would do: they would yell and scream and carry on how unfair and insensitive the U S was being, that's what!!!!!

I lived in the Philippines for over 12 years and was there legally the majority of the time. Some of you here will always defend the Filipino rather than your own countrymen whether or not it is right to do so.  Americans like I am, seem to be like this unlike the other expats from other countries and I have no idea why. I am not the only one who feels like this.

I agree with this guy too!!
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 15, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
Some guys that come here are just naive, unlucky or just plain stupid.
That is the only part I agree with, I have met some of them, and we sure do not want any more here, I am backing the Phil BI on this one ;D 8)
Yeah I would sadly agree that some guys or even gals are naive, unlucky and just plain stupid when living in a foreign land with a bunch of immigration laws, rules and regulations such as here in the Philippines!
In other words, as the saying goes in French "Caveat Emptor" or Caveat, "may he/she beware"!‎
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: fred on March 15, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
I feel if it was up to the Philippines, then none of us would live in their country and the only foreigners they would welcome are those who visit and spend tons of money doing it.



Most Filipino`s that I have come into contact with do not seem to feel this way.. Its certainly not something that I have experienced anyway.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: bigrod on May 30, 2014, 09:40:08 AM
I was charged with fake stamps in my passport and deported and blacklisted.  On Friday 2 Aug 2013 I went to the main BI office to get a 2 month extension and renew my ACR I-card.  Filled out the application and payed the fee of 5540 php and told to return in 2 hrs to pick-up.
Sent away again at 11 am and 1 pm, returned at 3 pm and taken behind the processing windows asked to wait for BI personnel from upstairs.  Inquired as to what was up and informed I had fake stamps.  Interviewed by BI lawyer and told I was 5th or 6th person to get fake stamps from Skymall Travel Agency in Dasmarinas, Cavite.  Asked why they were still open and told when I was released I needed to file Estafa charges against the Agency and include BI and DOJ in my suit.  2 Aug being a Friday I was taken to the BI Detentention Center in Bicutan were I was incarcerated until 18 Nov 2013(108 days) and deported that morning to Guam.  I returned to California on 25 Nov 2013.  While in Bicutan I had a lawyer who basically did nothing to help me get out and remain in RP.  Being initially told of the fake stamps I offered to make good any fee/fines that would be due, turned out to be 77K including 50K fine.  Weird part was that when I finally received my paperwork in early Nov 2013 after continually asking for it since Aug 2013(it was signed 27 Aug 2013) it stated the above fines/fees plus deportation/blacklisting.  Fines/fees were for overstay from Oct 2012 til Oct 2013, yet in Jan 2013 I paid for 2 month extension at BI PEZA Office Manila and on 2 Aug 2013 at main BI office the extension from Aug to Oct(receipts for both furnished to BI).  Finally got a good lawyer to refill my fiancee's petition for removal from blacklist(dtd last week Nov 2013) in late Mar 2014.  Lawyer was told a new rule was implemented in Jan 2014 that requires 12 months from departure of removal from blacklist.  Lawyer argued that I was a victim and BI finally agreed and I was removed from the blacklist on 25 Apr 2014.  I returned to the RP on 17 Apr 2014.  My fault believing the travel agency was authorized to do business with BI but had used them since 2011 with no problems, made visa run to BKK in Jun 2012 and had no problem with stamps also got extension in Jan/Feb 2013 at PEZA BI office without a problem.  Lesson learned only BI offices from now on.  Hopefully 13a application will be filed by the end of this year.

Chuck
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 30, 2014, 11:26:01 AM
Chuck,
Again, welcome back home from your ordeal and yup, they were surely expensive lessons learned!
Since you will be applying for your 13a I would assume that you will be getting married soon or you already got married since your return! Congrats!
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: meylou on May 30, 2014, 11:40:34 AM
Chuck,

Sorry to read about your harrowing experience.  However, all's well that ends well. It was a good choice for you to pay all the fees and fines.  Now you're back in the Philippines.  Good for you.  :) 

Good luck on your 13a application. 
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: fred on May 30, 2014, 12:15:27 PM
bigrod.. Glad you got everything fixed.. Cant believe B.I asked for you cooperation with filing a case against the agency and then put you in the slammer for 108 days and then deportation!! Idiots.
I know a few guys here that are single that have 12 month visa`s from agents.. They do not believe me when I tell them there is no such thing as a 12 month visa here!
They really do believe that the agency they are using is trustworthy and has given them a valid visa..
I think its up to the B.I to investigate on behalf of these naive foreigner tourists and close all of these illegal outfits down.. In all of these fake BB stamps and visa scams there are corrupt Immigration officials at the heart of it all. They are the ones that should be in jail.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Shewmake on May 30, 2014, 02:53:30 PM

[/quote] Most Filipino`s that I have come into contact with do not seem to feel this way.. Its certainly not something that I have experienced anyway.
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I have to agree wholeheartedly with this statement. If you travel abroad, you must abide by the laws and rules of the host country- regardless of how we view them from our perspective.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: paulgee on May 30, 2014, 11:03:57 PM
Hope all goes well for you in future Chuck. It just shows that, even if innocent, when you get into trouble in the Philippines it is a whole different ball game to that from our native countries.
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: bigrod on June 15, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
Update:  Went Friday Jun 13th for my Visa waiver (29 day) extension to the Santa Rosa BI Office.  Extension processed with no problems, they did make a copy of the Blacklist Removal Letter and the attached ORs.  Our lawyer called the head of the office in advance(she had previously worked for him at the BI) and we sat in her office during the processing of the paper work. 

Chuck
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: meylou on June 15, 2014, 12:27:50 PM
Chuck, Congratulations!  I believe you are in good standing with the BI now.  Happy for you  :) .
Title: Re: Overstayed
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on June 15, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
Good for you Chuck!
I guess Friday the 13th was you lucky day!
Visa extension applications are not that difficult to do, I've been doing it at our local BI field office myself for many years since 2000 without a travel agent!
Long ago, I had our local travel agent do our ECCs before my wife acquired her dual citizenship, but afterwards we started to do our own ECCs and or visa extensions prior to our BB stamp's expiration.
I'm now on my 3rd 6 month visa extension good up to 24 months under the provision of RA6768 MEMORANDUM ORDER NO. ADD – 02 – 011 dated 11 February 2002, which states:
All Balikbayans 14 years and below and 60 years of age shall be allowed to extend their temporary visitor visa under Section 9a of the Philippine Immigration Act of 1940 as amended, for a maximum period of 6 months for every extension PROVIDED that all appropriate fees are paid. Thus, Balikbayans are allowed a maximum total stay of 2 years inclusive of all extensions
Ever since my wife acquired her dual citizenship, it's just myself now to do my own BB stamp, visa extensions as required and or my ECC if already stayed more than 6 months and plan to leave the RP.
I'm not qualified to apply for dual citizenship due to a technicality (long story) under the Philippines Constitution Law of 1935 concerning my birth in the Philippines to a U.S. citizen father and a nonsequential Filipino mother who had no say in the matter. 
I will eventually apply for a Special SRRV for U.S. retired military members or as a last resort, a 13a permanent alien resident visa!

Chuck,
You may also want to check this out since you already have your 59 day tourist visa extension since Friday the 13th!
You can just do the new LSVVE 6 month visa extensions good up to 36 months before one's 59 day tourist visa is about to expire and can now be done at any of the new listed 28 BI field office locations of the Robinson Malls that are presently open for business!