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Title: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 05, 2016, 08:54:21 AM
Hello, My name is Scott. I have a woman from the Philippines who has worked in Brunei for 20 years. She is denied a visa to the US because there are no strong ties, as they put it. But, she owns property and a home in Flora. She has asked that I move there to Flora so we can be together and get married. I very much entertain this, but just want to ask others here how their life is now that they are in the Philippines? Will I lose my Social Security if I move there with her? I love this woman, and we are both getting up in age. I have visited her twice in Brunei, and we both agree that we should be married, and together. No matter where. I am seriously thinking about giving it all up here in the US to go there and live. Any others here with a similar situation? Thanks for any input....Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: jjcabgou on March 05, 2016, 09:35:03 AM
You will not lose your social security.  As far as the rest, IMO, only you can answer that.  You are asking a bunch of people (whom you dont know) that decided to live in the Philippines if you should live in the Philippines.  The best advice I can give you is to come to the Philippines for a visit, and see if you can live here.  One mans paradise is another mans hell, so I cant see you making a decision like that without testing the waters yourself.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 05, 2016, 09:36:50 AM
Flora is a third class municipality in the province of Apayao, Philippines. According to the 2010 census, it has a population of 16,743 people.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora,_Apayao
I personally do not know anything about that area, hopefully one of the other members will, but if you are the type of person who can roll with the punches and accept that this is more or less a third world country and usually things are done as such, then this can be a great place to live, or vacation for lengthy times, all IMHO.

Once married and living here for 6 months or longer, and should you find that you do not like it, and then want to bring your wife back to the US, then you can file for a Direct Consular Filing which currently takes 6 to 8 weeks for approval.

If you are on social security because of age, then you will not lose it.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Frosty on March 05, 2016, 11:01:59 PM
Scott
You need to take it real slow.
Maybe go over and stay for a few months, see how you like it before you leave everything behind.
Have you ever been to the P.I. it's not for everyone?
If you are not realy careful your golden years might not be so golden.
On the other hand you might find it to be the greatest place in the world.
Tell us more about yourself, what your plans are,
Most of all ask lots of questions.
good luck!
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 05, 2016, 11:10:21 PM
Thank you Frosty!
I would not go if she could get a visa. I will go there and marry her, then try to bring her here to the US. I wish I could bring her here now, because I am still working, and have a great job that I enjoy. I also do pretty well money wise. Has anyone here had difficulties in getting a visa to come to the US? The consul in Brunei is very small, and only 2 interviewers. They say you can't get the same interviewer twice, but on her 3rd application, if there was to be one, she surely would have the same interviewer? I never heard of the Direct Consular Filing? Anyone there to give me details?
As always, thanks to all who reply. Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 06, 2016, 01:39:39 AM
Here is one topic on the DCF http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?topic=48956.0 (http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?topic=48956.0)

You can find a number of topics in this section on visas for the wife http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?board=111.0 (http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?board=111.0)

There is another way to get your lady a visa, file a fiancee visa for her once you have met in person and can prove it with passport stamps and photos of you two together and photos of you both with her family would no doubt also help, and I doubt that would get rejected. Many people apply for a visa to the US and get rejected, the US rarely approves visas for single females or even males unless they can prove roots tied to the Philippines which would more or less make them come home.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 01:55:31 AM
Thank you Mr. Lee. It is difficult for both of us.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 06, 2016, 02:12:58 AM
Thank you Mr. Lee. It is difficult for both of us.
It is always difficult when dating someone from the other side of the world, I met my wife in person on Mindanao almost 23 years ago when the US embassy then and still to this day, is still warning not to go to Mindanao, yet I still went and visited and got to know her in person after 3 years of knowing her on the phone and in letters, those were the days before computers. If you have not gone to meet your lady in person, then do so and maybe you both can vacation in her area of the Philippines and meet her parents and relatives, to learn so much more about her and her culture. If you have not been to a third world country then I can tell you that it might be a harsh awakening, I know that trip made me realize just how lucky I was and am to have grown up in a first world country and gave me a new appreciation for my life and for the Filipino people...
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 02:19:30 AM
Thank you Mr. Lee,
I have been to see her twice in just 5 months. We are sure of our relationship. We only wish to be together. I am willing to go there, but I would really like to bring her here for a while to see the US. Thank you for sharing. Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 02:26:53 AM
I grew up very poor in Mississippi, with no running water, air conditioning, etc. I know I can handle living 3rd world, but she deserves to be here to see what 1st world living is like. Currently, in Brunei, she lives in mold infested apartment, which is really bad for women. I found this out after hurricane Katrina, when I lived in Louisiana, and my ex got really ill from mold. I am thankful to have this forum to be able to talk with people who share my experience, and are willing to give me advice. Thanks again. Scott.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 02:36:58 AM
My regards to you Mr. Lee! Yes, it must have been difficult for you then. There was no internet, Viber, or Skype communications. I really sometimes wish that it could be back to letters, and a phone call once in a while. Now, we can talk everyday. We get to know moods of everyday, and sometimes just do not feel like talking, because there is only so many times you can say the same thing? We repeat ourselves often by talking everyday, and it gets old. It is my pleasure to talk to you, and hear other peoples experiences. Thank you very much. Scott.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 06, 2016, 02:42:02 AM
You are welcome Scott, you are not alone and many of us know how you feel. I suggest you try the fiancee visa as long as she is able to marry but IMHO you really should go to the Philippines for a vacation, you will learn so much about her, her family and the Philippines, that IMO would be well worth it and besides that you can stay up to 30 days without a visa, so maybe think about planning a vacation together and work out the rest from there.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 03:19:31 AM
Thanks Mr. Lee,
Yes, I am going the first part of May to her home to see what it is all about. I met her sister in Manila on my last trip, while passing through from Brunei. I like her, and she is the older sister. She expressed that I would be approved of by her family there in Flora. She could see that I love her sister. I hope my travel there ensures them that I can be a good husband to their sister? Her brothers have yet to meet me, but I can get along with anyone, and know how to live poor. I hope that the brothers accept me. I will keep everyone interested here, as to the outcome of my stay in Flora without hot water or air conditioning? I think I can handle it? Please stay in touch, and I will accept any of your advise. Thank you very much! Scott.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 03:24:15 AM
Any suggestions as to clothes? Jeans and T-shirts? How do you stay clean smelling? etc?
Thanks for any help here with personal cleanliness? Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 03:29:26 AM
Mr. Lee,
Do you shave with cold water? It may sound like I ask dumb questions? I just will like to know what to expect? Is it comfortable there at night? Coolness wise? Can you get a nights rest in cool air? Or, is it hot at night? I guess I am just looking for answers about simple things from someone who has been there. You know how spoiled I am here in the US?
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 06, 2016, 03:52:27 AM
Mr. Lee, the Philippines does not recognize divorce. She was married before. I am officially divorced. How can I obtain a fiancÚ visa for her if she can not get divorced? Does anyone have ant suggestions on this topic?

This is the only thing holding us back? Any help is appreciated greatly! Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: conchydong on March 06, 2016, 05:02:53 AM
Mr. Lee, the Philippines does not recognize divorce. She was married before. I am officially divorced. How can I obtain a fiancÚ visa for her if she can not get divorced? Does anyone have ant suggestions on this topic?

This is the only thing holding us back? Any help is appreciated greatly! Scott

That is a tricky one. I thought that I had read somewhere that the US would allow visas for "domestic partners" aimed at the Gay people. I would argue that if they allow Gays to use this type of visa than it should be allowed for heterosexual couples also with unique circumstances.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Frosty on March 06, 2016, 06:23:17 AM
Scott
I like cotton t-shirts and shorts, no jeans to hot, if you want long pants get some Dockers and short sleeve shirts.
You can ask for hot water to shave with.
the cold water is not that bad to shower in it's colder then the outside air temp but not much.
Anytime we go back my wife gets something for the different families. Ask your lady freind for some ideas.

Most people are good people, remember a few are not so good.
Never let them know how much money you have in your pocket or at home.
You can talk about your job or family, your life in the U.S.
But never talk about your bank account.
Get to know her family, see how they live, what are their jobs.

Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 06, 2016, 06:45:31 AM
Mr. Lee, the Philippines does not recognize divorce. She was married before. I am officially divorced. How can I obtain a fiancÚ visa for her if she can not get divorced? Does anyone have ant suggestions on this topic?

This is the only thing holding us back? Any help is appreciated greatly! Scott
Well Scott,
As not to burst your bubble, you just dropped a bomb shell, meaning you should of mentioned in the beginning in your OP that your girlfriend is still a legally married woman in the Philippines even though she is separated from her husband no matter the reasons, which will put a dampner on all of your future plans in trying to marry her.
There's a member on here from Canada who has just retired here in the Philippines to be with his long time partner, the love of his life who is going through an annulment so that they could get married one of these days and hope he comes on here to shed some light to your similar situation.
All I can say is, good luck with your future endeavors to be with your loved one.   
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 06, 2016, 07:16:23 AM
Any suggestions as to clothes? Jeans and T-shirts? How do you stay clean smelling? etc?
Thanks for any help here with personal cleanliness? Scott
T-shirts are great, I am a bit unusual when in the boonies, I wear long pants and socks and spray the socks with skin so soft or deep woods off.

When out there I wash up outside in my bathing suit daily and sometimes run cool water over my head many times a day because for where we go it has to be in front of lots of family since there are no bathrooms in the house and I use lots of underarm deodorant daily to help with the sweating.

Another issue is what type of bathroom do they have there, out in my families area it is a hole in the ground in one area and like an outhouse in another with a hole in the ground.

Mr. Lee,
Do you shave with cold water? It may sound like I ask dumb questions? I just will like to know what to expect? Is it comfortable there at night? Coolness wise? Can you get a nights rest in cool air? Or, is it hot at night? I guess I am just looking for answers about simple things from someone who has been there. You know how spoiled I am here in the US?

No question is a dumb question, there was no internet for me to learn back then, so ask away but usually best to do so in the sections of the forum where it best fits so the information can be of help to others readers as well.

Much of the time when we are out in the province, I either do not shave for a week at a time or we have the family heat up some water for me, shaving cold does not work for me.
 
As for comfortable at night, some places if up in the mountains can be darn cold but most places are hot and you would need an electric fan, when I first tarted going to Mindanao they did not even have electricity where my extended family lived but once they did, then we always bought an electric fan to blow on me at night, which also kept the flying things off me since many places have jalousie windows.

Can you sleep at night, there is more to sleeping that just temps, my advice would be to bring ear plugs if you are not used to a lot of noise, most times when in the provinces I got very little sleep from the dogs barking, the roosters crowing, people and especially the kids up all night, and many more noises, each area may be different but I wish I had had ear plugs back in those days, nowadays we live in a condo in the city, so hardly any noise louder than our a/c except on nights people party outside and then the booming beat of the darn music system on some weekends plays havoc with my head. You may find you have to go to the city and stay in a hotel with air once in a while just to get some real sleep, I know that I did but I am a spoiled American..

All I can say is that you will have to see how it is where your lady lives, maybe ask her if any, or all of the things I mentioned apply.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 06, 2016, 07:21:33 AM
Mr. Lee, the Philippines does not recognize divorce. She was married before. I am officially divorced. How can I obtain a fiancÚ visa for her if she can not get divorced? Does anyone have ant suggestions on this topic?

This is the only thing holding us back? Any help is appreciated greatly! Scott

Married, as Art said that is a problem and if the guy still lives around the area, then it might even get you put in jail since the Philippines has laws against married people hooking up with others.

As for the visa, you are now out of luck until she gets an annulment and that can take years and over p100,000 to do...
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: bigpearl on March 06, 2016, 12:06:31 PM
Hi Scott, Steve here. Interesting discussion, I and most of us if not all have had the classic long distance romance/relationship. Its wonderful to meet and fall in love on the internet, (or phone and post) thank God I live with technology. Before I met my current partner/asawa (4 years now) I had 2 previous long distance relationships, 1 when I was living and working in PI, we met and it was bad, not to be. The second I was so madly in love with and moved the earth including sponsorship to Australia and yes we were madly in love until the money train started, it was an express line and i tried to stop it but to no avail, cut a long story short it cost me quite a few bob but not a fortune, just like all countries there are opportunistic and shallow people, once bitten twice shy as they say.
As Mr Lee and other readers have said, go there and meet your lady, make no promises, experience for yourself this wonderful country; be prepared not only for cold water shaves and cold dipper showers and food left on the table for days, grey water that runs into the streets and stinks. I have not been to your ladies province but know people that have and it is as pointed out 3rd world,,,,,,,,,There are plenty of 3rd world areas in Manila too so go there and find out for yourself. Also be prepared to help and support her family, that's pretty normal also. If you both love each other all of what I have said pales and is workable.
Good luck for you and your partner.
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 07, 2016, 12:47:21 AM
Thanks to all who offer advise, and real life stories. I think I can handle all of this because of my past. Living in rural Mississippi was difficult, but I was much younger then.

I am willing to give this a try, because I am in love with my woman. This will be my last chance at loving someone. Thank you all!!! Scott

I still accept any suggestions from others who have done this? Many thanks!
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 07, 2016, 01:11:02 AM
There are small things that people appreciate. Stars for one. I live in a big city, and cant see the stars. Other little things in life are very important. Like going to the river for a cool dip in the summer. A nice fire in winter to sit and watch. Then look at the stars. I am hoping that this is something that is still available in the world?
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 07, 2016, 01:44:15 AM
Scott,
You mentioned that she is still working in Brunei and you also in the U.S. and she has invited you to come to live in the Philippines to be with her forever. So, what are you waiting for? Are you both willing to quit your jobs to live together happily ever after married or not?
Just don't let her husband know for obvious reasons, until she and her husband are willing and ready to go through the annulment process!
Also due to the laws in the Philippines let alone in Brunei of the matter of a foreigner living with a still legally married Filipino woman. (check out the links below to find out more about their laws)

https://www.google.com/search?q=Concubine+laws+of+the+Philippines&gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.com/search?q=Concubine+laws+of+the+Philippines&gws_rd=ssl)

https://www.google.com/search?q=Concubine+laws+of+Brunei&gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.com/search?q=Concubine+laws+of+Brunei&gws_rd=ssl)
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 07, 2016, 05:17:31 AM
There are small things that people appreciate. Stars for one. I live in a big city, and cant see the stars. Other little things in life are very important. Like going to the river for a cool dip in the summer. A nice fire in winter to sit and watch. Then look at the stars. I am hoping that this is something that is still available in the world?
Clean waters to swim in may or may not be available in the area she lives, many waterways are full of waste and garbage in the Philippines and stars usually can be seen in the provinces that are far away from the cities but not those near any main cities because the pollution here in many parts of the Philippines is very bad.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 07, 2016, 05:31:15 AM
What I am reading is that I can go to prison for loving a woman who has been away from her husband for 8 years? If I go to her home, and tell everyone there that I love her, and wish to marry her, I will be in prison? What is wrong with this world? I am now having bad thoughts. Not just about this, but because some say the water is polluted? I cant get a good warm bath? A hot shave is not to be found? Food is 2 days old? My God? Thanks for all who speak the truth! I was about to give my life in Texas up? To move there and be with the one I really love. Wow!
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 07, 2016, 05:40:52 AM
What I am reading is that I can go to prison for loving a woman who has been away from her husband for 8 years? If I go to her home, and tell everyone there that I love her, and wish to marry her, I will be in prison? What is wrong with this world? I am now having bad thoughts. Not just about this, but because some say the water is polluted? I cant get a good warm bath? A hot shave is not to be found? Food is 2 days old? My God? Thanks for all who speak the truth! I was about to give my life in Texas up? To move there and be with the one I really love. Wow!
Processed water is usually fine, SOME of the waterways are possibly polluted, they have electric hot water heaters here in some homes wired for that, this is a third world country where much of the waste in the provinces sometimes goes in the water or into not very deep dug make shift septic tanks that might pollute well water as well as local waterways depending on how far people live from the waterways.

Yes it is unfortunate that you can be arrested here for being with a married woman, if the husband decides to press charges, that will depend a lot on him and where he lives, if close by, then he may want money to allow his wife to annul since you will be known as a rich foreigner even if living on a meager pension or SS since we are all seen as rich by locals. Many guys on this forum are with women who are in the process of annulment or are still attached, Art and I just warned you what can happen, it will all depend on hers and his situation, knowledge is power, that is what you came to a forum for, would you rather we did not tell you and you ended up in jail.

(I made bold some words because it is all if's and maybe's and there are many different possible outcomes people need to be aware or, not afraid of, so they can find work around's :Lee)
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 07, 2016, 05:51:09 AM
Scott, here is a story of a couple that you might wish to read about and do some research on. The law is not always put into play but can be if a husband wishes to use it to his advantage for whatever reason he wishes to.
Quote
Briton locked up for adultery pleads to bring baby home
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1016113/Briton-locked-adultery-pleads-bring-baby-home.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1016113/Briton-locked-adultery-pleads-bring-baby-home.html[/url])
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 07, 2016, 06:50:15 AM
What I am reading is that I can go to prison for loving a woman who has been away from her husband for 8 years? If I go to her home, and tell everyone there that I love her, and wish to marry her, I will be in prison? What is wrong with this world? I am now having bad thoughts. Not just about this, but because some say the water is polluted? I cant get a good warm bath? A hot shave is not to be found? Food is 2 days old? My God? Thanks for all who speak the truth! I was about to give my life in Texas up? To move there and be with the one I really love. Wow!
Scott,
don't let our straight forward and honest comments get you down, it's just to let you know of the laws just in case you don't know about them so that you can protect yourself or to avoid any hassles with the locals laws and wind up in jail because of ignorance of the local laws of the Philippines and or their Immigration Laws, which is also important to know not to over stay your visa while visiting, unless you have a SRRV permanent resident visa, since you are not married to a Filipino.
If both of you are still deeply in love with one another and can't bear the thought of being without the other, there's only one chance that you both can still be together, only if her husband will not press charges against the both of you and instead go through a quiet civil annulment while living together with the acknowledgement of her still legal husband. Sad to say though, your other option would then be to move elsewhere where no one knows either of you and take your chances and hope the long arm of the law and or immigration will not catch on to your where bouts living like fugitives, but it also states that Philippine Immigration has to know where you are at always and you also have to provide an address when you filled out your travel card with the airlines or Customs.
BTW, not all the waters in the Philippines are polluted and you can still take a warm shower and a hot shave! Food is only 2 days old if you let be!
The Philippines is no longer on the "3rd World Country" List, it is now described as being a "Developing Nation", but their laws still seem to be arse backwards and or unfair!
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: conchydong on March 07, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
My suggestion is to move to the Philippines in a mutual agreed upon locale and "hire" her as a live in maid and let her go through the annulment process as time allows. As the song says, "No one knows what goes on behind closed doors".

Good luck to you and your loved one.

From another Scott.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: iamjames on March 07, 2016, 08:27:34 AM
What I am reading is that I can go to prison for loving a woman who has been away from her husband for 8 years? If I go to her home, and tell everyone there that I love her, and wish to marry her, I will be in prison? What is wrong with this world? I am now having bad thoughts. Not just about this, but because some say the water is polluted? I cant get a good warm bath? A hot shave is not to be found? Food is 2 days old? My God? Thanks for all who speak the truth! I was about to give my life in Texas up? To move there and be with the one I really love. Wow!

Why the emphasis on going to her home place to live? Anyone here would tell you it is more advisable to live far away from her family as living close often creates problems for foreigners. Live in a reasonable hotel for now at a reasonable distance (100 miles!)  where you will have hot water and fresh food.  Apartment rental is very cheap here. Discretion is advisable when dealing with family or friends.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 07, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
My suggestion is to move to the Philippines in a mutual agreed upon locale and "hire" her as a live in maid and let her go through the annulment process as time allows. As the song says, "No one knows what goes on behind closed doors".

Good luck to you and your loved one.

From another Scott.
That is a great idea but it might be hard to not show affection to someone you love when in public places, yet still a great idea if he and she can manage to keep it quiet when at home  ;) and keep their distance when in public...
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 07, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
Once again, thanks to all who have offered advice and tips. Keep them coming! Please? I am booking my flights this week for my visit to Flora. She will meet me in Manila, and we will stay a few nights alone, before going to her home. She sent pictures of her house yesterday. It is a very nice place. No air conditioning, but it shouldn't be that bad the first part of May, heat wise? There is a shower room, but bathroom is outside. Reminds me of my childhood. Thanks again! Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 07, 2016, 11:03:27 PM
Scott,
Looks like your typical area out in the province in Northern Luzon. http://tinyurl.com/hu3e77v (http://tinyurl.com/hu3e77v)
My question for you is, will you use a tabo or T/P? http://tinyurl.com/hlsumwn (http://tinyurl.com/hlsumwn) ??? :o ;)
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: conchydong on March 07, 2016, 11:15:08 PM
Looks like it is not too far from Pagudpud, which is one of my favorite places in N. Luzon.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: arlie on March 08, 2016, 10:07:28 AM
Just so you know.  The first of May is the hottest time in the Middle to North of Luzon.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: jjcabgou on March 08, 2016, 10:17:17 AM
What I am reading is that I can go to prison for loving a woman who has been away from her husband for 8 years? If I go to her home, and tell everyone there that I love her, and wish to marry her, I will be in prison? What is wrong with this world? I am now having bad thoughts. Not just about this, but because some say the water is polluted? I cant get a good warm bath? A hot shave is not to be found? Food is 2 days old? My God? Thanks for all who speak the truth! I was about to give my life in Texas up? To move there and be with the one I really love. Wow!
I cant really comment on the "going to prison", however I think that might be overblown.  As far as the rest hmmmm I didnt realize I was eating old food, drinking polluted water, taking cold showers....  Wait a minute none of that is true, at least not for me.  Hot water everyday, the freshest foods/fruits/Veggies you could imagine and I have not gotten sick yet from drinking the water. 
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on March 08, 2016, 10:32:25 AM
I cant really comment on the "going to prison", however I think that might be overblown.  As far as the rest hmmmm I didnt realize I was eating old food, drinking polluted water, taking cold showers....  Wait a minute none of that is true, at least not for me.  Hot water everyday, the freshest foods/fruits/Veggies you could imagine and I have not gotten sick yet from drinking the water.
We were referring to in some of the provinces, according to what I posted earlier, there are only around 17,000 people living in the area his lady is from and where she wants him to move to, I suggest you go back and read all the posts to get a better idea of what members are commenting on. Also I suspect that you do not live in the provinces since I sort of know where yours live based on yours and other members posts, so your life should be quite different.

As for the prison overblown, again read the posts, it can happen and has happened, as written before, it will depend on a lot of things.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: bigrod on March 08, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
I cant really comment on the "going to prison", however I think that might be overblown.  As far as the rest hmmmm I didnt realize I was eating old food, drinking polluted water, taking cold showers....  Wait a minute none of that is true, at least not for me.  Hot water everyday, the freshest foods/fruits/Veggies you could imagine and I have not gotten sick yet from drinking the water.

JJ,

Philippine laws are not normally enforced against a Filipino, but they will be readily enforced against a foreigner.  Having had a Visa problem here previously which was cause by a licensed travel agency I can attest to that.  In regards to the water I have never had a problem either but I do not drink the tap water even in our subdivision.  We too eat the freshest foods/fruits/Veggies but that is not true for all the people here and depends largely on their income.  We do not have hot water in our two story/3 bdrm/2 bath house by my choice since I do not want to add the wall mounted water heaters.  When we add an actual western style bath room that one will have all the amenities including hot water.  As for the people who actually live a provincial style no they normally do not have hot water nor a fridge to put their leftovers in.  I am happy for the lifestyle many of us live in but it is not necessarily the life style of the majority of Filipinos.

Chuck
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: JoeLP on March 08, 2016, 04:01:53 PM
Some of this has been gone over, but here's my suggestions for you and info for your questions.
1. Your ssi or ssdi will work here.  I've know people on both, including myself, that have these.  They will work.  BUT, your insurance that is attached to it, will not.  If you are making the serious full time move here, go to your local SS office and there is an option to cut your insurance and add the premium to your income.

2. Third world type living is cheap living.  Sounds like your lover has good connections there.  I bring this up because for between $25-50K USD you can build a nice cement structured building here with AC and all that you desire for it like an "American style bathroom" and what not.  If that's in your ability then that's always an option.

3. I'm sorta in the middle here.  The area I live has 3 hospitals(one is a joke really, but the other two, by pinoy standards, are not bad).  Here's what I also know, when you go east of where i live into the even more rural areas, talking areas like you are looking, the hospital where I am at(about an hours drive away) is the closest.  So you get the pic.  Probably not much of a chance you'll have any of the big pharmacy companies(philippine style major) in your village/municipality.  So plan on that also.

4. Most locals are friendly and if you are friendly back will be more apt to help you out(if they can, language barrier can come into problem a lot) rather than seek to scorn you.  Don't mistake shyness for scorn.  Many when they see you, if they feel they cannot relate, communicate will turn from you, even with their face/heads only, and walk on.

5.  Make sure this is the place for you.  Stated many times already, but this is HUGE.  My friend, you may have grown up poor in the south, but their is still a HUGE difference.  At least all your neighbors spoke like you, lived like you, or understood your living.  These people, whether it's true or not, will see you as a billionaire from who they can score some money.  No matter how much your lover/wife/fiance might say otherwise, they'll seek money, raise the prices of things they sell, and do what they can to take, get, beg for your money.  While they may live the way you did when you were young, it doesn't make the area they live in anything like where you grew up.

6.  There is always the tourist visa.  It takes dedication, time and work to get it.  Most of the "lower tier" workers at the embassy and consulate are freaking clueless about it.  But, I know two Americans who both went to the Embassy and spent a day, or 2 days for one, going up the rankings till they got someone who admitted that yes, he COULD get a tourist visa for his GF and act as the sponsor.  All the lower level workers know are asawa visa, fiance visa, and worker visas.  And that's all they push, and understand.  Pretty uneducated workforce.  I think it's the 12a or 12b.  Forget which is for work and which is for tourist.  And it will take some work while here to get to the people that understand it and will help you set it up.  The asawa visas are needed the wedding contract, US or Phils(maybe others, I don't know for sure).  So if you get her to the US on a tourist, and marry her there(make sure you stay upfront and honest with the immigration on that fact that you DID get married in the US) then when you return you can apply for that asawa visa.  The fiance visa is it's own monster.  Your lover will have to do stuff like attend a class that tells her how awful we foreign men are and how we'll turn her and all her friends into sex slaves and all that.  Just so you have a little more update on that.

7.  if this is your woman, the one you feel your hear jump and be happy when ever you talk to here or are with her, these are all worth going through for her.  And I wish you well.  But, really, I suggest you visit at least once.  Search hard and long and deep and get some real nice prices on tickets for a round trip.  Come for a month or two.  Get the cheapest throw away ticket(read more on that on those threads) and just get the extensions at the local BOI office and see if where she calls home is the place for you.  If it is?  Make the move my man.  If it needs improvement?  See if it's affordable for you.  Feel the area out for more than just people and costs.  See how often there is blackout/brownouts in the electrical system.  See how the internet connection is.  There's a lot to look for that if you just seek a straight move there that could bite you in the butt if you don't first make a test trip.  If you two are meant to be together, needed an extra year to get things set up so that you can make and afford a test trip is well worth it. 

I wish you the best of luck, I really do.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on March 08, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
Some of this has been gone over, but here's my suggestions for you and info for your questions.
1. Your SSI or SSDI will work here.  I've know people on both, including myself, that have these.  They will work.  BUT, your insurance that is attached to it, will not.  If you are making the serious full time move here, go to your local SS office and there is an option to cut your insurance and add the premium to your income.
Excellent post Joe with one exception. Just an FYI: SSDI will work here because it is federal disability insurance. SSI however is supplemented by the individual state of residence and stops 30 calendar days after you leave the US. Everything else is spot on sir.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: blindman on March 08, 2016, 09:01:12 PM
Great post Joel.  I too have a great interest in much of what you said.  In fact I will share some of it with my lady friend.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 10, 2016, 01:13:54 AM
Joel, thank you very much for the post! It really gave me some things I have been looking for. Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 10, 2016, 01:20:50 AM
Joel, any way to get advice from the guys who were successful in getting the tourist visa for their women? I would spend 2 days at the embassy if this will work. No problem.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on March 10, 2016, 04:17:43 AM
Joel, any way to get advice from the guys who were successful in getting the tourist visa for their women? I would spend 2 days at the embassy if this will work. No problem.
Hi Scott. 1st welcome to the forum. We are all pleased to have you aboard. I just wanted to point out to you that it would be much easier for other members to track your replies if you use the quote feature. This way, we will know who it was that you replied too as well as remind the one you quoted of the original reply. All you have to do is instead of hitting the reply button, hit the Quote link in the upper right corner of the post you want to quote. Then you will see the quoted reply in the reply box. Then just add your reply underneath it. Of course if you are doing a general post, then you use the bottom reply button. Again Scott, welcome & enjoy. God Bless.....Steve.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: JoeLP on March 10, 2016, 07:58:55 AM
Scott,
What they both said is they just "waded through the crap" at the Embassy.  Both made it very clear that the "bottom feeders" that work there are clueless to the tourist visa.  And they said very clueless.  Most of them give you that dumb blank look when they ask for it and the few that don't give that look are instead saying it does not exist. 

Then they just asked to see the supervisor.  And keep doing that all the way up till they got someone who were educated on that visa.  The one was able to find that person the first day, the other had to come back because, according to him, the guy he found on the 2nd day probably wasn't their the first day he went. 

The link on the bottom is to the official page on the B-1 vs B-2 visas.  I was completely off on the correct names earlier.  The B-1 is for business.  The B-2 is for tourism. 

Hope this helps.  Also, there is a lot of sites that help you better understand the dos and don'ts.  Don't tell them you have any plans of getting married while in the US(important for the asawa visa) and just going on tourist visa(her part of course).  Get to the US, and wait a bit.  Some sites I've read said try and give it a month.  Then get married.  As soon as your marry, make sure you are upfront and honest with the officials.  Also, she can't claim the asawa visa while in the US on the visit you got married from what I understand.  Need to return to the Phils, but then it should be very easy for you to get.

Just google stuff like "pinay gets married on 2-B visa while in the USA" and sites will come up.  Just dig around and you'll get the picture.  What's crazy, and I think maybe helpful, the guys I talked to know other guys like them that got their GF a 2-B visa.  None of them married their GF while they were in the US.  Probably helps make it easier on the guys that want that marriage getting done.  And due to the sites I've seen, it happens.

But, if you get this done, you avoid all the BS. All the classes your gf would have to go to, all the extra fees and junk like that.  Just get the visa, and go to the US.

Best of luck Scott.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwhniv7.html (http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwhniv7.html)
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 10, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
Scott,
All she can do is to attempt to apply for a tourist visa whatever the process is and what her purpose of needing a tourist visa, but without you getting involved in any way to suspect her true intention of a married woman being together with a divorced foreigner for the purpose of having an illicit affair, but you coming to visit her here is for that same purpose unbeknownst to anyone.
So, both of your intentions is for the sole purpose of just being together, while she goes through the Philippine annulment process, so eventually someday both of you can get married legally in the Philippines.
It's just best you take one step at a time by first visiting her on a tourist visa and take it from there before you decide to move here permanently or not.   
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 10, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
Hi Scott. 1st welcome to the forum. We are all pleased to have you aboard. I just wanted to point out to you that it would be much easier for other members to track your replies if you use the quote feature. This way, we will know who it was that you replied too as well as remind the one you quoted of the original reply. All you have to do is instead of hitting the reply button, hit the Quote link in the upper right corner of the post you want to quote. Then you will see the quoted reply in the reply box. Then just add your reply underneath it. Of course if you are doing a general post, then you use the bottom reply button. Again Scott, welcome & enjoy. God Bless.....Steve.

Thank you Steve! I was not aware of the quote button? Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on March 10, 2016, 11:39:34 PM
I would appreciate it if anyone can help me in locating a hotel or hotels in Flora?
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on March 11, 2016, 09:09:01 AM
I would appreciate it if anyone can help me in locating a hotel or hotels in Flora?
Start your search here: https://www.google.com/search?q=hotels+in+flora%2Capayao+philippines&gws_rd=ssl (https://www.google.com/search?q=hotels+in+flora%2Capayao+philippines&gws_rd=ssl)
If you can get there!  ::) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh_K-6GiwEk
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: piozam13 on March 14, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
You are going to her place and meet her family so that you'll know her better.  BUT you don't have to live there.  You can love her anywhere and it is painful not to be together. 
The first thing to do is for her to get that annulment. Without it, she won't be able to get married nor join you in USA.  This can take a long time.  Hopefully she's got connections to help facilitate it.  Stay out of it, it will cost you more if you are seen to be keen in obtaining it. 
In the meantime, you can visit her in the Philippines or her place of work as often as you like.  I know a guy who comes to the Philippines every summer and Christmas to be with his girlfriend.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Lee2 on May 21, 2016, 10:25:51 PM
I am not sure why Scott did not wish to post this himself, he sent it to me in a private message but since he asked me to post it, I will post it in a quote below.

Mr. Lee,

Please post this.

Well fella's, I just returned to the US, against my will, from Flora, where I had to leave my beautiful wife, Juliet, because she was denied a visa. The concerns I had before going there were quickly dissipated once I arrived there. I didn't get thrown in jail for being with a woman that has not had her first marriage annulled yet. I didn't eat food that was 2 days old with flies. The dogs didn't bite me because my legs are white as paper, and I had warm water to shave! (I did soon learn that a cold water shave is better on the face, and adapted well). The ambient water showers were soon enjoyed over a hot shower. Also, no "aircon" was nice after a couple days, and I never got a headache or stopped up nose? The people there treated me as if I was in a 5 star hotel. The food? OMG! The food was the best I have ever had anywhere in the world (and I have been everywhere). The fruit was right from the trees, and the air outside, although warm, was as good as the oxygen in the hospital! I rode a motorcycle that was prepared for me with full tank. I visited the small area of town where I could buy a Red Bull, cigarettes, sugar cane gin, etc. The people there were the most humble people in the world. Although I did get some looks from local's, I found that they were looking at my paper white legs. Some even pointed at my legs, and laughed a little. Then shook my hand, and touched my hand to the forehead. I showed equal respect to them, and was soon a part of the community, as if I had been there all my life. I was truly in the 2nd heaven. The landscape was nothing but awesome! I could just sit on a hill, and enjoy the beauty of the countryside. Flora is truly an awesome place on this earth, and I would live there in a heartbeat. My wife's son is busy building an apartment on top of their house for me and Juliet to live. It is probably about 1000 sq/ft. There will be a toilet, small kitchen, living room with TV, aircon, a nice terrace, and stairs going up. Made from local lumber (which is so hard that holes need to be drilled before driving a nail). I am actively looking for a way to earn a living there, or close, so I can escape from Houston. If there is anyone that knows where a safety specialist can earn a living there, please let me know. I am a Personal Fall Arrest Systems Specialist. But, know all safety pursuant to OSHA. I would appreciate any leads? It will be another 5 years before I can draw my social security, so I need a source of income. Mr. Lee, Thank you for all your help with the concerns I had before. I feel more secure in the Philippines than the US now. Best regards Sir, Scott

Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on May 22, 2016, 12:13:23 AM
Thank you Mr. Lee

Scaclait
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Danson L. on May 22, 2016, 06:52:19 AM
Thank YOU Joel, absolutely wonderful informative post. YOU are 1000000000 % right on. Mr Lee's post was good also. Ya'll give some great information, and you told it like it is. Thanks again
Ronn96
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: sacalait on May 28, 2016, 05:15:17 AM
There was one thing that was not all that great. As Art pointed out about the road to Flora, it was a brutal ride from the airport in TUG. But I would ride 10000 miles on that road to get to Flora if I had to. At least my ride had aircon :) I will post some pictures in another post. Thanks again to all! Scott
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: conchydong on May 28, 2016, 06:47:54 AM
There was one thing that was not all that great. As Art pointed out about the road to Flora, it was a brutal ride from the airport in TUG. But I would ride 10000 miles on that road to get to Flora if I had to. At least my ride had aircon :) I will post some pictures in another post. Thanks again to all! Scott

Hope you have a great time during your stay.


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Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 28, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
There was one thing that was not all that great. As Art pointed out about the road to Flora, it was a brutal ride from the airport in TUG. But I would ride 10000 miles on that road to get to Flora if I had to. At least my ride had aircon :) I will post some pictures in another post. Thanks again to all! Scott
Anyone who have found their Shangri-La will truly travel thousands of miles to get there as long as the mode of transportation is air conditioned.  ::) ??? ;)
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Jimmy on May 28, 2016, 10:44:48 PM
Anyone who have found their Shangri-La will truly travel thousands of miles to get there as long as the mode of transportation is air conditioned.  ::) ??? ;)


Shangri-La ?  :o
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Art, just a re(tired) Fil-Am on May 28, 2016, 11:40:44 PM

Shangri-La ?  :o
Scott did to get to where Flora was, his paradise.
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Gray Wolf on May 29, 2016, 02:25:43 AM
Shangri-La ?  :o

Yeah, you know, the big resort hotel with hot and cold running women and beer flowing from the faucets   ;D  :D  :)  :)  Joke lang!
Title: Re: Member sacalait Planning our move
Post by: Jimmy on May 29, 2016, 05:04:02 PM
Yeah, you know, the big resort hotel with hot and cold running women and beer flowing from the faucets   ;D  :D  :)  :)  Joke lang!

LOL Thanks for the Knowledge update I did not know. :)