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Living in The Philippines => Expat life in Philippines => Topic started by: Bob Johnson on July 02, 2019, 03:58:13 AM

Title: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on July 02, 2019, 03:58:13 AM
Hi. Haven't posted in a while, but I check here often. I may be making a move to the Philippines early next year, more on that later. Just a question on basics for now. Packing door-to-door boxes, my wife packs portable tools, and now we are sending a new generator. My understanding is that PI uses 220 volts using American plugins. I know a couple years age my wife put a single-voltage TV, 110V, in her luggage, plugged it in, and burned it up. Does the Philippines use 220V everywhere, or have I heard wrong? If so, how do they deal with 110V battery chargers? Have a voltage converter for every tool? If voltage is 220, what good is a 110V generator set? The wife was packing some LED bulbs we got super cheap, told her they wouldn't work. Sorry if this sounds confusing. Just trying to get the facts straight in my head. We have a large filipino community here, but still too much conflicting info. My wife has a house in Manila and family in Abra in northern Luzon.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: lost_in_samoa on July 02, 2019, 04:48:58 AM
My understanding is that PI uses 220 volts using American plugins. I know a couple years age my wife put a single-voltage TV, 110V, in her luggage, plugged it in, and burned it up. Does the Philippines use 220V everywhere, or have I heard wrong? If so, how do they deal with 110V battery chargers?


The topic area you need to focus on is "Building in the Philippines" (http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?board=16.0)

One of the best specific threads is "electricity in the Philippines" (http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/forum/index.php?topic=3393.0)

I know that those areas are not updated frequently.  But they don't really need to be.  The information is accurate today.

In direct answer to your questions.

The electrical system in the RP is a "hodge - podge".   "As built" there are different systems in different areas.  Areas where there is legacy US construction differ from what you would find in other provinces.

Generally you will receive from the utility two lines of "240vac" and no ground.   To run 120vac appliances you need to step this voltage down to 120vac and provide a ground that is relative.  Usually done with a step down transformer.

When powering tools through a "step down" device you have to account for "motor inrush current" and "peak load current" draw.

Motor inrush current is the amount of current flow into the device when it is first powered up.  It can exceed 4->5 times the rated full load draw.  For a second or two at device start up.  That blast of peak current will throw breakers and burn fuses throughout the circuit if you have not accounted for it.

Peak current draw is just that.  The highest level of current pull when the tool in question is working as hard as it can.


I run lots of big 120vac power tools.  I do this because

1.)  Having tools that require not commonly available electricity discourages those tools from "growing legs".

2.)  The RP tool providers I have frequented are flooded with  counterfeits and poorly made look a likes.  After the 4th locally procured drill motor dies you realize that it is cheaper to buy quality from the manufacturer and ship it.   

Your mileage may vary.

Over the years I have burned up countless locally obtained voltage converters.  They followed the same trend as locally obtained power tools.

My final solution was to procure a smaller industrial grade step down transformer that could be wired to provide two legs of 120 and a ground relative to those legs.  I sized this transformer 25% over what the highest inrush current from the largest tool I possessed was.

That was not a cheap solution.  But I am in the second or third year of using it with out a glitch.

Proceed with caution.  Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on July 02, 2019, 05:24:30 AM
OMG--I didn't know this section of the forum existed! This will take some study! It looks like my wife and I will take a trip to the PI in Dec-Jan. She wants me to retire and stay to finish her house in Manila. We will see what happens. I don't usually have any idea what's going on until she asks me "Why aren't you packed?"
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: FastWalk on July 02, 2019, 08:30:04 AM
Hi. Haven't posted in a while, but I check here often. I may be making a move to the Philippines early next year, more on that later. Just a question on basics for now. Packing door-to-door boxes, my wife packs portable tools, and now we are sending a new generator. My understanding is that PI uses 220 volts using American plugins. I know a couple years age my wife put a single-voltage TV, 110V, in her luggage, plugged it in, and burned it up. Does the Philippines use 220V everywhere, or have I heard wrong? If so, how do they deal with 110V battery chargers? Have a voltage converter for every tool? If voltage is 220, what good is a 110V generator set? The wife was packing some LED bulbs we got super cheap, told her they wouldn't work. Sorry if this sounds confusing. Just trying to get the facts straight in my head. We have a large filipino community here, but still too much conflicting info. My wife has a house in Manila and family in Abra in northern Luzon.

When we moved,  we ended up bringing lots of stuff that we don't even want now...   Think about what you actually want from your stuff,  and then the cost of sending it.  With the exceptions of specialty tools or very very high quality ones and good quality computers it can be possible to buy most items locally and then they will just work with the local power.

I believe everyone that moves hear will at least once make the mistake of plugging a 110 item into a 220 socket.   Its bad news...   

One of the things we did was buy a new 55" TV to send.   After paying for the shipping of it,  I found I could have gotten a decent quality 65" locally and spend less money.  The one I sent ended up being a 110 only... So now I have a small converter on it,  it works fine until at some time in the future we rearrange that room and forget to put the converter on and just plug to the wall.

Asking questions about it is smart so you can save some money and not send stuff that might never be used.

We did everything with small boxes for shipping.  After doing it,  I wish we had instead used a small container so that some of the larger items could be sent.  Items like small garden tractor,  good quality gas pressure washer.  Those type of items are more expensive hear and don't fit into the small boxes.  I think it would have cost me the same to fill a small container vs a big pile of small boxes had I thought about it before sending and spending a lot on the small boxes.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: David690 on July 02, 2019, 06:45:40 PM
When we moved,  we ended up bringing lots of stuff that we don't even want now...   Think about what you actually want from your stuff,  and then the cost of sending it.  With the exceptions of specialty tools or very very high quality ones and good quality computers it can be possible to buy most items locally and then they will just work with the local power.

I believe everyone that moves hear will at least once make the mistake of plugging a 110 item into a 220 socket.   Its bad news...   

One of the things we did was buy a new 55" TV to send.   After paying for the shipping of it,  I found I could have gotten a decent quality 65" locally and spend less money.  The one I sent ended up being a 110 only... So now I have a small converter on it,  it works fine until at some time in the future we rearrange that room and forget to put the converter on and just plug to the wall.

Asking questions about it is smart so you can save some money and not send stuff that might never be used.

We did everything with small boxes for shipping.  After doing it,  I wish we had instead used a small container so that some of the larger items could be sent.  Items like small garden tractor,  good quality gas pressure washer.  Those type of items are more expensive hear and don't fit into the small boxes.  I think it would have cost me the same to fill a small container vs a big pile of small boxes had I thought about it before sending and spending a lot on the small boxes.

A balikbayan box can be any size and any weight you like.  They just use 3 or 4 standard sizes to make calculating the rate easier.  We must have shipped at least a dozen boxes of different sizes, small, medium, large, jumbo plus a self made carton for the wifes bicycle which wouldn't fit into one of the standard boxes.

For the voltage, most places are 230v 60hz.  I believe there are some places that have 110v as a result of the US military presence.
It will be worth checking the rating tag on whatever it is you want to bring, as most modern electronic stuff nowadays, smart TV's, computers etc are dual voltage 110/220v and dual freq 50/60Hz.  Even a lot of power tools are dual voltage/frequency.  Mine are.

Where you will most likely face problems are heavy items with large motors, compressors, such as AC units, washing machines etc.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on July 03, 2019, 01:44:00 AM
Poring over your links in the building section, I obviously have a lot of research to do. 50 years experience, and I see I have new tricks to learn. Thanks for the help, I will be back for ? from time to time.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on July 03, 2019, 01:28:30 PM
Off topic for the contents of this thread but on topic going by the title of the thread.

PHL Bank Accounts

If you don't already have a PHL bank account, you should open one in the U.S. (I assume you are in the U.S.).  There are U.S. branches of PHL banks that will open accounts that are PHL banks accounts.  If you don't have a PHL permanent resident visa it is now very difficult for foreigners to open PHL banks accounts.  (Foreigners with PHL permanent resident visas are ok.  Foreigners in the PHL as tourist or under the Balikbayan privilege now have difficulty opening banks accounts.)  Stricter rules implemented at the end of 2018 enforcing the 2001 Anti-Money Laundering Act.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on July 03, 2019, 09:30:24 PM
Will take this up with wife. This will be critical if we manage construction funding. The wife is a naturalized US Citizen now, too.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on July 03, 2019, 11:16:50 PM
AND since this is a basic thread, this kind of information is much appreciated. Lots of things to think about; I just take debit card/direct deposit/checking account access for granted. Back to electrical, and since my wife packed a new 110V generator we got at auction in a balikbayan box, I think I will throw in a large step-up/step-down transformer in the next.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on July 04, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
AND since this is a basic thread, this kind of information is much appreciated. Lots of things to think about; I just take debit card/direct deposit/checking account access for granted.

Since you are in the U.S. open a Schwab brokerage account.  With that you get a Schwab bank account and a Visa debit card.  Schwab reimburses all ATM fees worldwide.  In the PHL most ATMs will charge you P250 every time you use a foreign ATM card.  Schwab will reimburse all of these fees when you use the Schwab Visa debit card.  No fees on their end and no foreign currency conversion transaction fees.  The Visa daily currency conversion rate that they use is better than the currency conversion rate you can get in the PHL from any PHL bank.  You need to maintain a U.S. address to keep a U.S. Schwab account open.  U.S. citizens with a foreign address can open an international Schwab account and still get the Schwab Visa debit card.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: M.C.A. on July 04, 2019, 04:59:20 PM
Bob for me those generators sure ended up to be a waste of time and expensive lessons learned, they basically destroyed my two 32" TV's so the only thing I'd plug into a generator is a fan and light bulbs, LED bulbs are cheap here also so no worries they have LED bulbs that also look like the old long florescent ones.  I'm not an electrician but just my learning lesson is that the power on these generators isn't steady so when the power fluctuates it destroys the capacitors, not a big deal with a fan or AC unit you can change them out and these capacitors are available here and cheap.

Bottom line is that it's a real pain converting 110 volts to 220 volts and unless it's some sort of special appliance you can't live without such as a hot dog machine (can't live without that) then I'd get a transformer once you get here but you'd be amazed at what you can buy or end up buying online if you can't find it locally.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on July 05, 2019, 09:45:58 PM
Suzukig:  I love Schwab! Perfect! Our company 457 was on Schwab, traded extensively (then they switched). Definitely will initiate that. I imagine local internet will be pretty unreliable for day trading, however.  MCA:  The gen set is already packed. Far be it from me to dispute my wife's logic. That's what prompted this thread questioning 110 vs 220 power, and to find out it is nothing like US 220 service to boot. She insists it will be useful in her province, Abra, although she does not understand the electrical situation.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 13, 2019, 09:54:38 PM
220 everywhere, except Bagio, if I recall. But most electronics in the US are not 110. They are something like 100-260. But I would not bring all that stuff with you. The taxes will not be worth it. Might as well buy new. If you eve need it at all. After all that, it will likely be stolen, and could put your life in danger.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: David690 on August 14, 2019, 12:48:42 AM
220 everywhere, except Bagio, if I recall. But most electronics in the US are not 110. They are something like 100-260. But I would not bring all that stuff with you. The taxes will not be worth it. Might as well buy new. If you eve need it at all. After all that, it will likely be stolen, and could put your life in danger.

No taxes if you ship your stuff in via Balikbayan Boxes.  I brought all of my power tools with me.  I also sent a Samsung 65" UHD TV, Bosch Oven, Ceramic Hob, Extractor hood.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: MotorSarge on August 14, 2019, 03:36:01 AM
Does any one here know what is the biggest size balikbayan box?
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Peter on August 14, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
Does any one here know what is the biggest size balikbayan box?

A Filipino may send anything that is permitted, in any size box they like, as sizes are not regulated by the Philippines authorities (the Bureau of Customs I believe) who are responsible for the "Balikbayan Priviledge Program" (my words)

The term "balikbayan box" is a marketing ploy by shipping companies, to play on the expat Filipinos' senses.

Some shippers limit the sizes of their boxes for commercial reasons, so they can utilise the complete space available to them in a container for example. Check with the shipper as to their policy

When we were sending our final house stuff from Oman, the Filipino shipper made his own shipping boxes, for anything "outsize" we wanted to send.

A rosewood extending 15' dining table was packed in its own box and shipped as part of the wife's balikbayan priviledge.

We always paid for volume (d x h x l) when using ship cargo (3 to 4 months door to door) and by weight when we asked them to send by air (about 10 days door to door)

HTH's

Peter

Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Peter on August 14, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
A Filipino may send anything that is permitted, in any size box they like, as sizes are not regulated by the Philippines authorities (the Bureau of Customs I believe) who are responsible for the "Balikbayan Priviledge Program" (my words)

The term "balikbayan box" is a marketing ploy by shipping companies, to play on the expat Filipinos' senses. .............................

Peter

See < https://tinyurl.com/y5sjl7qf > for a Rappler article on this.

Peter
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: MotorSarge on August 14, 2019, 10:49:52 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 16, 2019, 09:31:58 AM
No taxes if you ship your stuff in via Balikbayan Boxes.  I brought all of my power tools with me.  I also sent a Samsung 65" UHD TV, Bosch Oven, Ceramic Hob, Extractor hood.
lol Of course BB boxes are subject to taxes! Some taxes up to 100% the cost of the item. Where did you get that you did not have to pay?
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 16, 2019, 09:34:05 AM
No taxes if you ship your stuff in via Balikbayan Boxes.  I brought all of my power tools with me.  I also sent a Samsung 65" UHD TV, Bosch Oven, Ceramic Hob, Extractor hood.

Also, this is an expat forum. Most of us are expats. So we can never be balikbayans, nor send or receive BB boxes.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: bigrod on August 16, 2019, 11:23:50 AM
Also, this is an expat forum. Most of us are expats. So we can never be balikbayans, nor send or receive BB boxes.


Where does it specify we are an EXPAT forum?  The forum is made up of all types not just expats.  We have members that live around the world and only visit the Philippine, some spend part of year here and their country, some are here as BB with their Filipino spouse, etc.
 
http://immigration.gov.ph/faqs/visa-inquiry/balikbayan-previlege (http://immigration.gov.ph/faqs/visa-inquiry/balikbayan-previlege)

Chuck

Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Peter on August 16, 2019, 04:28:08 PM
Also, this is an expat forum. Most of us are expats. So we can never be balikbayans, nor send or receive BB boxes.

As Chuck pointed out, there are some (many?) who are resident here with their Filipino/a spouses.

Just a little clarification. Only Filipinos and Former Filipinos are (legally) entitled to use the BB Scheme to send cargo from overseas. Any family member is entitled to receive the cargo

As designated family members (granted by the Philippines' Family Code, as amended by RA 8533) we quaiified, foreigner spouses can avail of various legal entitlements, which includes the receipt of cargo shipped under the Customs, tariff/tax free, Balikbayan scheme.

After saying that, we used the BB scheme (about 70 large boxes plus 20 specially made boxes/crates for household white goods and furniture etc.) over a 3 year period. We used my wife's name as the shipper and her sister's as recipient, on the shipping documentation when we were both resident overseas.

I have received tax-free BB boxes here in my name, from her sisters in Macau and London - as surprise birthday presents for the wife.

Peter

Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: fred on August 16, 2019, 05:44:51 PM
Also, this is an expat forum. Most of us are expats. So we can never be balikbayans, nor send or receive BB boxes.

I am a foreigner living in the R.P for 35 years on and off..I get BB boxes just about every year!





Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: MotorSarge on August 17, 2019, 05:40:53 AM
Well...to respond to a few of the replies.

We have been sending BBs 2, 3 or 4 a year to PI for 19 years now.
Mi esposa always sends only within the guidelines of contents of the forms she signs.
We have on at least 2 occasions had our boxes opened and examined at either the customs deportation or delivery port.
Nothing was ever missing, boxes resealed, marked as opened & inspected and stamped as passed.

I'm glad we never sent anything unauthorized or considered taxable.
Every once in awhile when she says I annoy her...I just tell her she's gonna get a BB trip home.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 09:55:16 AM
A Filipino may send anything that is permitted, in any size box they like, as sizes are not regulated by the Philippines authorities (the Bureau of Customs I believe) who are responsible for the "Balikbayan Priviledge Program" (my words)

The term "balikbayan box" is a marketing ploy by shipping companies, to play on the expat Filipinos' senses.

Some shippers limit the sizes of their boxes for commercial reasons, so they can utilise the complete space available to them in a container for example. Check with the shipper as to their policy

When we were sending our final house stuff from Oman, the Filipino shipper made his own shipping boxes, for anything "outsize" we wanted to send.

A rosewood extending 15' dining table was packed in its own box and shipped as part of the wife's balikbayan priviledge.

We always paid for volume (d x h x l) when using ship cargo (3 to 4 months door to door) and by weight when we asked them to send by air (about 10 days door to door)

HTH's

Peter

"Balikbayan Box" is the legal term. The law originally created by Marcos. The problem is that today, it basically does not apply, as all items have to be taxed. It's cheaper just to buy things locally. There are SOME instances when you can get an exemption. For example, you have to be a citizen, been out of the country for a year, and your receipts not totalling 10,000 pesos.

https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/the-philippines-2/customs-faqs-on-importation/ (https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/the-philippines-2/customs-faqs-on-importation/)
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 10:31:24 AM
See < https://tinyurl.com/y5sjl7qf > for a Rappler article on this.

Peter

That article is from 2016. The law has changed like 15 times since then.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on August 18, 2019, 10:32:41 AM
"Balikbayan Box" is the legal term. The law originally created by Marcos. The problem is that today, it basically does not apply, as all items have to be taxed. It's cheaper just to buy things locally. There are SOME instances when you can get an exemption. For example, you have to be a citizen, been out of the country for a year, and your receipts not totalling 10,000 pesos.

https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/the-philippines-2/customs-faqs-on-importation/ (https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/the-philippines-2/customs-faqs-on-importation/)

You are confusing part of the privileges allowed for returning Balikbayans (Chapter 2 #3) and Balikbayan Boxes.  Chapter 7 explains Balikbayan boxes.  Also, there are bulletins issued by Customs explaining Balikbayan Boxes.  Balikbayan boxes tax free up to P150,000 per year.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 10:46:18 AM
Where does it specify we are an EXPAT forum?  The forum is made up of all types not just expats.  We have members that live around the world and only visit the Philippine, some spend part of year here and their country, some are here as BB with their Filipino spouse, etc.
 
[url]http://immigration.gov.ph/faqs/visa-inquiry/balikbayan-previlege[/url] ([url]http://immigration.gov.ph/faqs/visa-inquiry/balikbayan-previlege[/url])

Chuck

No they are not. Your link contradicts you.

Quote
a. A Balikbayan, who may be either one of the following:

i.   A Filipino citizen who has been continuously out of the Philippines for a period of at least one (1) year;

ii.  A Filipino overseas worker;

iii. A former Filipino citizen and his family who had been naturalized in a foreign country and comes or returns to the Philippines.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 10:52:17 AM
I am a foreigner living in the R.P for 35 years on and off..I get BB boxes just about every year!
You can be arrested for lying about your citizenship though.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 10:55:10 AM
As Chuck pointed out, there are some (many?) who are resident here with their Filipino/a spouses.

Just a little clarification. Only Filipinos and Former Filipinos are (legally) entitled to use the BB Scheme to send cargo from overseas. Any family member is entitled to receive the cargo

As designated family members (granted by the Philippines' Family Code, as amended by RA 8533) we quaiified, foreigner spouses can avail of various legal entitlements, which includes the receipt of cargo shipped under the Customs, tariff/tax free, Balikbayan scheme.

After saying that, we used the BB scheme (about 70 large boxes plus 20 specially made boxes/crates for household white goods and furniture etc.) over a 3 year period. We used my wife's name as the shipper and her sister's as recipient, on the shipping documentation when we were both resident overseas.

I have received tax-free BB boxes here in my name, from her sisters in Macau and London - as surprise birthday presents for the wife.

Peter

Nope. You can't get a declaration proving you are a Philippine citizen, if you are not. Well, you can. But that would be illegal.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
As Chuck pointed out, there are some (many?) who are resident here with their Filipino/a spouses.

Just a little clarification. Only Filipinos and Former Filipinos are (legally) entitled to use the BB Scheme to send cargo from overseas. Any family member is entitled to receive the cargo

As designated family members (granted by the Philippines' Family Code, as amended by RA 8533) we quaiified, foreigner spouses can avail of various legal entitlements, which includes the receipt of cargo shipped under the Customs, tariff/tax free, Balikbayan scheme.

After saying that, we used the BB scheme (about 70 large boxes plus 20 specially made boxes/crates for household white goods and furniture etc.) over a 3 year period. We used my wife's name as the shipper and her sister's as recipient, on the shipping documentation when we were both resident overseas.

I have received tax-free BB boxes here in my name, from her sisters in Macau and London - as surprise birthday presents for the wife.

Peter
Having a mentally ill relative does not make a foreigner a citizen though.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on August 18, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Nope. You can't get a declaration proving you are a Philippine citizen, if you are not. Well, you can. But that would be illegal.

For Balikbayan Boxes the sender has to be a qualified Filipino but the receiver can be family members or relatives (includes aunts and uncles and 1st cousins).  A foreign spouse can receive a Balikbayan Box from a qualified Filipino sender.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 11:18:45 AM
You are confusing part of the privileges allowed for returning Balikbayans (Chapter 2 #3) and Balikbayan Boxes.  Chapter 7 explains Balikbayan boxes.  Also, there are bulletins issued by Customs explaining Balikbayan Boxes.  Balikbayan boxes tax free up to P150,000 per year.
No I am not. And it is 10,000 pesos a year. Wait, this one says 10,000 twice a year. But this law is also outdated as it says

"Non-commercial goods or goods not in commercial quantity strictly for personal use only, such as: wearing apparel, clothing, foodstuffs/grocery items/canned goods; the value of which must not exceed USD 500.00."

And I know for a fact that clothing is strictly forbidden in BB boxes. So is food. And toys.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on August 18, 2019, 11:31:52 AM
No I am not. And it is 10,000 pesos a year. Wait, this one says 10,000 twice a year. But this law is also outdated as it says

"Non-commercial goods or goods not in commercial quantity strictly for personal use only, such as: wearing apparel, clothing, foodstuffs/grocery items/canned goods; the value of which must not exceed USD 500.00."

And I know for a fact that clothing is strictly forbidden in BB boxes. So is food. And toys.


In one line you post what is allowed "wearing apparel, clothing" and then you state "I know for a fact that clothing is strictly forbidden in BB boxes".

http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cao-01-2018_Amended_Rules_on_Consolidated_Shipment_of_Balikbayan_Boxes.pdf (http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cao-01-2018_Amended_Rules_on_Consolidated_Shipment_of_Balikbayan_Boxes.pdf)

See section 4.2 P150,000 tax free.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 11:55:26 AM
In one line you post what is allowed "wearing apparel, clothing" and then you state "I know for a fact that clothing is strictly forbidden in BB boxes".

[url]http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cao-01-2018_Amended_Rules_on_Consolidated_Shipment_of_Balikbayan_Boxes.pdf[/url] ([url]http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cao-01-2018_Amended_Rules_on_Consolidated_Shipment_of_Balikbayan_Boxes.pdf[/url])

See section 4.2 P150,000 tax free.

Bureau of Customs told me that clothes are forbidden. Along with just about anything else one would want to import. Unless of course you want to pay taxes on them, of course. Clothes in the Philippines are among the most expensive in the world. But cheaper than paying customs tax on them.

Can I upload documents here? I think they e-mailed me a PDF.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on August 18, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
Bureau of Customs told me that clothes are forbidden. Along with just about anything else one would want to import. Unless of course you want to pay taxes on them, of course. Clothes in the Philippines are among the most expensive in the world. But cheaper than paying customs tax on them.

Can I upload documents here? I think they e-mailed me a PDF.

Clothes for personal use are ok in Balikbayan Boxes.  Clothes or anything else to resell are technically not ok in Balikbayan Boxes.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 12:26:51 PM
Clothes for personal use are ok in Balikbayan Boxes.  Clothes or anything else to resell are technically not ok in Balikbayan Boxes.

Nope. Not even used old clothes you are keeping for sentimental value. A baby shirt from 2005. You need a receipt for it. Or the value will be determined by the DOC and you will be taxed for it. And they could just say that baby shirt, old and tattered, is worth 80,000 pesos, and you pay the tax, or forfeit the item to customs.

You guys need to learn this stuff if you are going to live here. The Philippines is not like where you are from. The BI just released a statement reminding foreigners that getting involved in politics will get you arrested, blacklisted, and deported. Where many of us are from, it is totally legal to do. In fact, getting involved in the community is encouraged. Not here. You have no rights here. Don't like it? Too bad!
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: bigrod on August 18, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
Bureau of Customs told me that clothes are forbidden. Along with just about anything else one would want to import. Unless of course you want to pay taxes on them, of course. Clothes in the Philippines are among the most expensive in the world. But cheaper than paying customs tax on them.   

Can I upload documents here? I think they e-mailed me a PDF.


Many of your statements seem to be incorrect.  Such as who can send, clothes being sent, food, peso amount. Some senders can be taxed others are not, but as stated in the PDF anyone can send. 

http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BOC-Form-No.-BB-IS-001-Balikbayan-Information-Sheet-for-Consilidated-Balikbayan-Boxes.pdf (http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BOC-Form-No.-BB-IS-001-Balikbayan-Information-Sheet-for-Consilidated-Balikbayan-Boxes.pdf)

Chuck
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: bigrod on August 18, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
Nope. Not even used old clothes you are keeping for sentimental value. A baby shirt from 2005. You need a receipt for it. Or the value will be determined by the DOC and you will be taxed for it. And they could just say that baby shirt, old and tattered, is worth 80,000 pesos, and you pay the tax, or forfeit the item to customs.

You guys need to learn this stuff if you are going to live here. The Philippines is not like where you are from. The BI just released a statement reminding foreigners that getting involved in politics will get you arrested, blacklisted, and deported. Where many of us are from, it is totally legal to do. In fact, getting involved in the community is encouraged. Not here. You have no rights here. Don't like it? Too bad!

Most of us are well aware of the info you are posting and actually know what the real rules are versus the dribble you are spewing.

Chuck
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 12:42:37 PM
Most of us are well aware of the info you are posting and actually know what the real rules are versus the dribble you are spewing.

Chuck
lol Listen. You are a worthless troll, who clearly has never been to the Philippines. So kindly f*** off, before I slit your throat. Bastos ka manyak na lolo!
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: bigrod on August 18, 2019, 12:57:29 PM
Duh! For your information I have lived here continuously for ten years.  If you will look at my ID data I am an Admin on this forum ot a troll! We do not allow bash of people or the Philippines on the forum.  As to slitting my throat some have tried before and as you see non have succeeded and I doubt you would either.  Hope you enjoyed your time on the forum because it has come to an end!

Chuck
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: ermita_virus on August 18, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Duh! For your information I have lived here continuously for ten years.  If you will look at my ID data I am an Admin on this forum ot a troll! We do not allow bash of people or the Philippines on the forum.  As to slitting my thought some have tried before and as you see non have succeeded and I doubt you would either.  Hope you enjoyed your time on the forum because it has come to an end!

Chuck
You don't allow people to bash others on here? But that is what YOU are doing. lol Only 10 years? That's not very long. How have you not learned basic stuff your first year here, like jejemon? lol san k tira d2?
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: suzukig1 on August 18, 2019, 05:12:41 PM
This was implemented in October 2018

http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cao-01-2018_Amended_Rules_on_Consolidated_Shipment_of_Balikbayan_Boxes.pdf (http://customs.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cao-01-2018_Amended_Rules_on_Consolidated_Shipment_of_Balikbayan_Boxes.pdf)

REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES 
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE
BUREAU OF CUSTOMS
MANILA 1099
CUSTOMS ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER (CAO)
NO. 01 - 2018


SUBJECT: AMENDED RULES ON CONSOLIDATED SHIPMENT OF "BALIKBAYAN BOXES"

3.15. Household Effects shall refer to furniture, dishes, linens, libraries, and similar household furnishings for personal use or family use.

3.21. Personal Effects shall refer to commodities whether new or used, for personal use or consumption and not for commercial purposes, such as wearing apparel, personal adornments, electronic gadgets, toiletries, or similar items.

4.1. Qualified Filipinos While Abroad are allowed to send to their Families or Relatives in the Philippines Balikbayan Boxes which shall be exempt from the payment of duties and taxes, up to three (3) times in a calendar year.

4.2. Balikbayan boxes shall contain personal and household effects only and shall neither be in commercial quantities nor intended for barter, sale or for hire, and that the total FCA value for all Balikbayan Boxes per sender in any calendar year shall not exceed One Hundred Fifty Thousand Pesos (Php150,000.00).
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Bob Johnson on August 19, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
Just shipped out ten boxes, four were mine. Many more to pack. Can't believe we had a troll, thank God he/she/it is gone.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: Steve & Myrlita on August 20, 2019, 12:14:41 AM
Just shipped out ten boxes, four were mine. Many more to pack. Can't believe we had a troll, thank God he/she/it is gone.
Yes thanks to God and Chuck. I'm the admin who approved him. I will own it. So sorry folks.
Title: Re: Basic info
Post by: MotorSarge on August 20, 2019, 02:34:55 AM

REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES 
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE
BUREAU OF CUSTOMS
MANILA 1099
CUSTOMS ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER (CAO)
NO. 01 - 2018


SUBJECT: AMENDED RULES ON CONSOLIDATED SHIPMENT OF "BALIKBAYAN BOXES"

3.15. Household Effects shall refer to furniture, dishes, linens, libraries, and similar household furnishings for personal use or family use.

3.21. Personal Effects shall refer to commodities whether new or used, for personal use or consumption and not for commercial purposes, such as wearing apparel, personal adornments, electronic gadgets, toiletries, or similar items.

4.1. Qualified Filipinos While Abroad are allowed to send to their Families or Relatives in the Philippines Balikbayan Boxes which shall be exempt from the payment of duties and taxes, up to three (3) times in a calendar year.

4.2. Balikbayan boxes shall contain personal and household effects only and shall neither be in commercial quantities nor intended for barter, sale or for hire, and that the total FCA value for all Balikbayan Boxes per sender in any calendar year shall not exceed One Hundred Fifty Thousand Pesos (Php150,000.00).


Okay so 150000.00 PHPs is about $2,685.00 USDs. If I were to send a box of used hand tools that were about $2,000.00 in value when bought new....what is the formulation of taxing if any on this? Will it be taxed at the value of sale or just as used if any at all. These would be for personal use also.  I'm trying to learn as much as I can before we make our move and I would like to take as many comfort creatures as possible and legally.