John McCain dead at 81

[Gray Wolf]

The man many loved to hate -

U.S. Sen. John McCain, a war hero who survived five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, served three decades in Congress and went on to become the Republican Party’s nominee for president in 2008, died Saturday. He was 81 years old. In his last hours, the Arizona Republican turned down further medical treatment, his family announced in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/25/john-mccain-dead-at-81.html

[BudM]

RIP

[lost_in_samoa]

U.S. Sen. John McCain

Out of Christian respect for the passed I did not comment yesterday.  That was yesterday. 

Wetstart Songbird was my selected senator for many years.  May he find some peace in his travels.

Investigating John McCain

[JoeLP]

I had issues with John.  And I'll leave those where they are.  But, when I as in college I met a Vietnam vet that was a POW for only 3 years.  He was one of the ones that would talk about it.  The stuff he told me....made me sick to my stomach in a point of time when I was full of the vigor of youth and raised more country and rough than city and soft and the stuff he said made  me sick and weak to the stomach. 

For all the issues I had with John, he'll always have my respect for going through what he did as a POW. 

[BudM]

I had issues with John.  And I'll leave those where they are.  But, when I as in college I met a Vietnam vet that was a POW for only 3 years.  He was one of the ones that would talk about it.  The stuff he told me....made me sick to my stomach in a point of time when I was full of the vigor of youth and raised more country and rough than city and soft and the stuff he said made  me sick and weak to the stomach. 

For all the issues I had with John, he'll always have my respect for going through what he did as a POW.

I had issues with him too.  That is why I did not say really anything.  Besides a few differences in POW stories, I have seen numerous things that are pretty much up in the air and can not be simplified in determining what happened with the Forrestal fire and the sequence of events that went down with him while he was still in the cockpit of the A-4 and then after he bailed out of it as to where he went, all which occurred only about two months before his mission where he was shot down.  His reputation wasn't helped in all that by the fact that his daddy was an active duty Admiral at the time and his Grandpappy had been one also.  And at least a couple of reversals went down on decisions made over if that Captain of the Forrestal was going to be held responsible for what happened or not.  Well, he went and died in 2012 so RIP to him too.

I wasn't over there let alone being a POW and I was also never a pilot and with all the scuttlebutt about what happened and the uncertainty, who am I to say?  Our issues did not mean squat to him when he was alive and they sure don't now, so yeah, he is gone and I am just letting it go and be over with.

[BudM]

Out of Christian respect for the passed I did not comment yesterday.  That was yesterday. 

Wetstart Songbird was my selected senator for many years.  May he find some peace in his travels.

Investigating John McCain

I did not see your post with the article on this at first.  Yeah, it is exactly some of the stuff I have come across and in numerous places.  And some of the documentation films on it looks like they have been doctored the way they have been cut up and spliced.  You can see where some of them are like puzzle pieces not quite fitting in to place. I know though it was pretty sorry for them to have gotten stuck with all those skinned bombs, in use from back during Korea, that cooked off earlier than the newer ones they should have had.  It wasn't long at all after the accident they were outlawed from carriers and had to have the thermal coating instead.

[lost_in_samoa]

looks like they have been doctored the way they have been cut up and spliced.  You can see where some of them are like puzzle pieces not quite fitting in to place.

I hear you.   I tend to believe witness accounts from the flight deck that indicate that someone performed a "wet start".  Which in turn led to a cook-off on another aircraft. 

I also am inclined to believe the testimony from other residents of that hotel.  I take the comparison of behaviors under identical circumstances, into account.

There is the Keating issue.  And the POW obstruction thing.  Literally a whole cornucopia of questionable things.  The latest being encouraging the IRS to audit certain folks "ruinously".

If you "Duck-duck" around just a little bit you'll see where this is kinda a family tradition.

But we will never really know what happened.

[jjcabgou]

you guys kill me.   You dig up an article based on conjecture, hyperbole, and hearsay, to discredit somebody that has done more for the USA than any of you combined.   He was born with a silver spoon is his mouth and could have EASILY avoided combat in Vietnam, and yet he was there dropping bombs and being shot at.   I absolutely did not agree with all of his politics, and questioned many of his stances/positions, but I respected the fact that he did what he thought was best for the country regardless of political party.  Congress and the Senate, on both sides of the aisle need more like him.   Country before party, country before self. 

[lost_in_samoa]

done more for the USA than any of you combined

Now who is conjecturing? 

You don't know me from Adam.  I could have bunch of time in down range,  and chest full of fruit salad to put a restaurant to shame.

You might want to research the good senator a little more.  Not what he said but the effect of what he did.  Over the course of his entire career.

Or not.  Your call.

[bigrod]

McCain's father and Grandfather were 4-star Admirals.  He graduated USNA in June 1958 so how can you surmise he could have avoided combat duty.  That would have been a red flag raised as to his preferential treatment.  He graduated 5th from the bottom in his class and supposedly tried to break every rule/regulation at the Academy.  Took out power lines in Spain by his own admission due to clowning around. Lost an aircraft per him due to engine fail but the investigation said engine was running at time of crash. A lot of things in his military career seem to not affect his career but  would possibly impacted somebody else without his family background.   While I did get a divorce it was not because my wife had an accident and got disabled and fat.  While he is hailed as the backer of the military in the Senate he did not always do so.  Look at him and Kerry on the POW/MIA issue, his actions to keep his military record sealed especially his POW time.  To me to many unanswered questions. I was stationed in Nam when he was shot down.

Chuck

[FastWalk]

<RIP>
I would likely have much more to say,  if this was a political topic.

This guy was born,   took the journey of life,  and now has retired.

</RIP>

[Lee2]

Guys lets keep the politics in the politic section.

[Lee2]

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