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Long COVID
« on: February 19, 2021, 09:04:32 PM »
Perhaps of some interest ..

Death might not be our most serious COVID problem.


Long COVID

By Stephanie LaVergne  Research Scientist, Colorado State University  February 18, 2021


A few months ago, a young athletic guy came into my clinic where I’m an infectious disease physician and COVID-19 immunology researcher.

He felt tired all the time, and importantly, was having difficulty mountain biking. Three months earlier he had tested positive for COVID-19. But, when he walked into my clinic, he was still experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and could not mountain bike at the level he was able to before.

Tens of millions of Americans have been infected with and survived COVID-19. Thankfully, many survivors get back to normal health within two weeks of getting sick, but for some COVID-19 survivors – including my patient – symptoms can persist for months.

These survivors are sometimes dubbed long-haulers, and the disease process is termed “long COVID” or post-acute COVID-19 syndrome. A long-hauler is anyone who has continued symptoms after an initial bout of COVID-19.

Numerous studies over the past few months have shown that about 1 in 3 people with COVID-19 will have symptoms that last longer than the typical two weeks. These symptoms affect not only people who were very sick and hospitalized with COVID-19, but also those with milder cases.

Long COVID is similar to COVID-19

Many long-haulers experience the same symptoms they had during their initial fight with COVID-19, such as fatigue, cognitive impairment (or brain fog), difficulty breathing, headaches, difficulty exercising, depression, sleep difficulty and loss of the sense of taste or smell. In my experience, patients’ symptoms seem to be less severe than when they were initially sick.

Some long-haulers develop new symptoms as well. These can vary widely person to person, and there are reports of everything from hair loss to rapid heart rates to anxiety.

Despite persistent symptoms, SARS-CoV-2 – the virus itself – is not detectable in most long-haulers. And without an active infection, they can’t spread the virus to others.

Who are the long-haulers?

Patients who were hospitalized for COVID-19 are the most likely to have persistent long-term symptoms.

In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days after they were discharged from the hospital.

A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.

This Wuhan study was particularly interesting because the researchers used objective measures to evaluate the people reporting lingering symptoms. People in the study were still reporting persistent breathing problems six months after getting sick. When researchers performed CT scans to look at the patients’ lungs, many of the scans showed splotches called ground-glass opacities.

These likely represent inflammation where SARS-CoV-2 had caused viral pneumonia. Additionally, the people in this study who had severe COVID-19 could not walk as fast as those whose illnesses were less severe – these lung problems reduced how much oxygen was moving from their lungs into their bloodstream. And remember, this was all measured six months after infection.

Other researchers have found similar objective health effects.

One study found evidence of ongoing viral pneumonia three months after patients left the hospital.

Another study of 100 German COVID-19 patients found that 60% had heart inflammation two to three months after initial infection. These German patients were relatively young and healthy – the average age was 49, and many had not needed hospitalization when they had COVID-19.

The sickest COVID-19 patients are not the only ones to suffer from long COVID. Patients who had a milder initial case that didn’t result in hospitalization can also have persistent symptoms.

According to a recent survey done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 35% of non-hospitalized patients who had mild COVID-19 cases did not return to baseline health 14 to 21 days after their symptoms started. And this wasn’t just in older people or people with underlying health conditions. Twenty percent of previously healthy 18-to-34-year-olds had ongoing symptoms.

Overall, research shows as many as one-third of individuals who had COVID-19 and weren’t hospitalized will still be experiencing symptoms up to three months later.

To put these numbers in context, only 10% of people who get the flu are still sick after 14 days.

Long-term symptoms, long-term effects

The medical community still does not know just how long these symptoms will persist or why they occur.

According to recent research that has yet to be peer-reviewed, many long-haulers cannot return to work or do normal activities because of brain fog, pain or debilitating fatigue. Before my patient got sick, he would bike up a mountain in our Colorado town almost every day. It took him four months to recover to the point where he could climb it again.

SARS-CoV-2 hurts people in more ways than the medical community originally recognized.

At Colorado State University, my colleagues and I are studying long-haulers and exploring whether immune system imbalances play a part in their disease process. Our team and many others are working to identify long-haulers, to better understand why symptoms persist and, importantly, to figure out how the medical community can help.

Ref: https://theconversation.com/how-many-people-get-long-covid-and-who-is-most-at-risk-154331


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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2021, 08:14:58 AM »



How many people really died last year?
I've seen a few of these.  I'm waiting for a much more in depth study of such a design, but right now, due to social and media pressures, I doubt we see one until a year or longer after the media says that covid19 has been defeated(if they ever do).  Also, they failed to mention that even with the same # of deaths in 2020 as there were in 2019, 2018 and 20017, the suicides numbers are climbing as a direct result of lockdowns and other draconian measures taken by governments in response to covid19. 

When all is said and done, the reactions of the governments will be shown for how horrific they were, but the same media hyping it all up now will be there to excuse them and say they were only trying their best, even if it flew in the face of the numbers, science and evidence.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2021, 10:54:20 AM »
I'm waiting for a much more in depth study of such a design.

Your wait may have been over before you knew it.  Maybe this will flesh out the motivational speakers a little.

Study sent to US

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XuN80p9UBM_5Xk-atE4FutcySz7Z1S0/view

Index of countries this was sent to.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VGiArDJQC7KXjzWv0j9F5R5ONf20nsQK/view

Who these people are. (starts on pg. 19)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hghf8Bh3AIUi5HxrnPA8FZeQqo77e_xN/view


How I found this particular rabbit hole.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/no_author/international-alert-message-about-covid-19-united-health-professionals/


Hope this helps.





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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2021, 09:19:53 PM »
WOW!!! And Thank you LIS.
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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2021, 03:22:11 AM »
SO SAYETH THE RUFUS

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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2021, 05:18:50 AM »
Thank you

You are most welcome Pare.


So meme the RUFUS





Death might not be our most serious COVID problem.


Uhmmm Ok.  You opened this can of fear porn.  What say you?



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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2021, 10:21:46 AM »
The fatigue sure has hit me but to run around puts you at risk and to make matters worse our back yard is still flooded so I can't do much such as planting vegetables but the the other symptoms like headache and loss of taste I don't have that.  The water is finally retreating but so very slowly and now this storm moving in and possibly more rain, I hope it misses our region on Luzon.
My views would be from someone who lives out in the province close to in-laws on a pension.  Norwegian and French heritage.

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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2021, 10:41:28 AM »
The fatigue sure has hit me

Thanks.  You think you had/got the WuFlu?

Months back Ester and I both came down with an trancaso.  Bad one too.  Felt like we were beaten with sticks.  Low grade fever and the usual symptoms.

We treated it with heavy zinc supplementation,  Damong Maria tea from the garden and Quercetin from a body building shop. Both are Zinc ionophores.  Oxygen from  a oxy concentrator, and Doxycycline/C.S. for the bacterial side of things. 

That and lots of vegetable/fruit smoothies.  Packed the nutrition/hydration in.

Lasted about a week.


That's not medical advice .......  I am not a doctor.  I just have hand writing like one.


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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2021, 10:58:59 PM »

Uhmmm Ok.  You opened this can of fear porn.  What say you? 


When responding to anyone whom, regarding Covid, supports this:

Quote: "You must stop this global (Covid response) scam quickly (because it is a serious danger to your people and your country in terms of : health, economy, education, ecology and human rights) by immediately taking the following actions :

1-Lift all restrictions

Remove the following illegal, non-scientific and non-sanitary measures : lockdown, mandatory face masks for healthy subjects, social distancing of one or two meters. These crazy and stupid measures are heresies invented in 2020 that do not exist in medicine or public health and they are not based on any scientific evidence."
End Quote


If anyone believes the above, then there will be absolutely zero enjoyment or use in further discussion.

So really, one prefers not to ..

And maybe simply note that here in Australia, we all wore masks and stayed home, unless going to work or shopping.

The result is, today, as usual, we have NO cases of Covid community transmission in the whole of Australia.

There's now only 40 Covid cases in this country. All of these are international travelers whom have been in quarantine since arriving here already carrying it.

Altogether, in the past year, Australia has had just 909 Covid deaths.

And today we had our first vaccinations, to be offered free to everyone over the next few months.

If anyone has any other ideas on how best to manage Covid .. all one can say is, haha, go ahead.

So now, the only thing of concern to me, for our world, might be the health results of long Covid.

Sincerely .. cheers, gents.




 


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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2021, 08:22:40 AM »
Thanks.  You think you had/got the WuFlu?

I don't think any of our family members have contracted the Covid 19 but this year the weather pattern is much different and much more wet so I sit around more than I should, I can't do much in the back yard it's more like a swamp and we nearly flooded but I do ride bicycle.

For sure I need to eat better and more vegetables, I miss the red beets along with a different variety of vegetables and so in order for me to buy these it's an hour drive.
My views would be from someone who lives out in the province close to in-laws on a pension.  Norwegian and French heritage.

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Re: Long COVID
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2021, 08:35:35 AM »
I need to eat better and more vegetables, I miss the red beets along with a different variety of vegetables and so in order for me to buy these it's an hour drive.

I hear you.  Our current solution is smoothies.  What ever we got we grind.  You can pack a full days worth in one glass.

Ever had a Mango / Pechay / Garlic / Tumeric  / Tilipia whip?   Damn sure was ...... interesting.

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2021, 08:37:25 AM »

If anyone believes the above, then there will be absolutely zero enjoyment or use in further discussion.


cum hoc ergo propter hoc.  Your opinion of efficacy is yours.  Not the consensus.

So really, one prefers not to ..


Why raise a topic then not participate?   Bandwagon not going in the intended direction?


And maybe simply note that here in Australia, we all wore masks and stayed home, unless going to work or shopping.

The result is, today, as usual, we have NO cases of Covid community transmission in the whole of Australia.

There's now only 40 Covid cases in this country. All of these are international travelers whom have been in quarantine since arriving here already carrying it.

Altogether, in the past year, Australia has had just 909 Covid deaths.

And today we had our first vaccinations, to be offered free to everyone over the next few months.


But at what cost?

To children, elders, neighbors, the "income un-equal"?


For what?  An illness that does not even rank in the top 20.


If anyone has any other ideas on how best to manage Covid .. all one can say is, haha, go ahead.


People are.   

The first step is to think .   The second step is to educate yourself beyond the headline.

So now, the only thing of concern to me, for our world, might be the health results of long Covid.


Good luck with the Planet Lockdown.


Thank you.  This has been much more interesting than shaking a cellphone.